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Summer transfer thread 17/18 season (NEYMAR TALK IN OTHER THREAD)

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The time is upon us nearly,arsenal have confirmed left back sead kolasinac will sign from shalke for free,

Lots of talk Liverpool will announce Andrew Robertson from hull as soon as seasons over too.

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theoneeyedman

Does the money supposedly changing hands in these deals actually exist, or is a lot of it bull.

Does if show up on anything, is it just 'well we'll pay x millions' but it's on such strange terms over a long time that it never really changes hands, except to see a good chunk siphoned off into varying pocket of agents, advisors, Swiss bank accounts.....

It all looks like a big ponzi scheme to me.

blueser

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

I'm losing interest in football in general ,money is ruining it especially the Premier league.
When you see very average footballers like John Stones ,Kyle Walker ,etc going for over £50m it beggars belief.
The average fan is being priced out of it with ticket prices ,tv matches are spread across multiple providers so it costs alot to watch your team.
More and more money is being pumped into the league yet the product being served up is deteriorating .

You ARE aware that other clubs have spent big money in this window, not just City, yeah?

Dirty Dingus McGee

Guffy wrote: »

Neymar transfer is just disgusting.

Why?

POKERKING

On a kind of transfer topic(in terms of managers anyway) irishman Jon Daly taken over as interim manager of Hearts after they sacked Ian Cathro. First game at the weekend is away to celtic...baptism of fire.

yabadabado

thebaz wrote: »

Funny most internationals sell out faster than soccer - people do care - cop on

Rugby is a minority sport in comparison to football.Very few countries play rugby to a high level.
Sure Ireland are one of the best teams around atm so it's no surprise if they sell out quicker but I'd guess most soccer internationals out sell rugby.

MisterAnarchy

thebaz wrote: »

probably

ps I'm on my own on this , made my point - enjoy

I'm losing interest in football in general ,money is ruining it especially the Premier league.
When you see very average footballers like John Stones ,Kyle Walker ,etc going for over £50m it beggars belief.
The average fan is being priced out of it with ticket prices ,tv matches are spread across multiple providers so it costs alot to watch your team.
More and more money is being pumped into the league yet the product being served up is deteriorating .

Panthro

Have we signed Danny Drinkwater yet?
Hon chelsea.

Guffy

Neymar transfer is just disgusting.

thebaz

Fromvert wrote: »

If overnight rugby became as big as soccer and all of the money associated with that poured in would it turn you off?

probably

ps I'm on my own on this , made my point - enjoy

Fromvert

thebaz wrote: »

Funny most internationals sell out faster than soccer - people do care - cop on

In comparison to the soccer, rugby is nothing. I'm talking worldwide and soccer being so huge worldwide is what drives these crazy prices and wages higher and higher.

If overnight rugby became as big as soccer and all of the money associated with that poured in would it turn you off?

thebaz

The Talking Bread wrote: »

If you can relate to Ronaldo and Messi earning huge wages, surely you can stretch your mind somewhat for Neymar?

What is there to relate to anyway!

top level soccer sucks for me now - grew up loving it - you guys enjoy it today - I don't - I'm out

thebaz

Fromvert wrote: »

They don't get it because nobody cares about that sport.

Funny most internationals sell out faster than soccer - people do care - cop on

The Talking Bread

thebaz wrote: »

I just don't enjoy watching the very high level of football any more, for that reason - I can't relate to a footballer making over a 100k a week - perhaps a Messi or Ronaldo - when you watch league of Ireland players giving it there all , I can relate more - same for rugby or GAA players at top level , they are not making these obscene amounts .

If you can relate to Ronaldo and Messi earning huge wages, surely you can stretch your mind somewhat for Neymar?

What is there to relate to anyway!

thebaz

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Since when have you had to relate to a football player? It's a sport, not art. I can understand someone not enjoying a certain musician because they can't relate to what they're singing about, but a football player? No way.

football grew as a game of the people - people supported clubs or country cause thats where the teams came from originally - sometimes people actually knew some of the players that made it - never one for putting anyone on a pedestal , perhaps the odd true great - a Maradonna, Messi, Zidane - but if people want to support players making over 200k a week thats your right - I don't , I'm getting too old for boards ...

Fromvert

thebaz wrote: »

do people really enjoy watching footballers who make that much money - who cares if PSG win the CL - I'm all for footballers getting looking after , particularly those from poorer South American countries - how do average Brazilians relate to players making that ?

Rugby players put there bodies on the line , and they don't make that in a year - good luck

They don't get it because nobody cares about that sport. If people did they would and the same complaints would be thrown about. If they start making more money would that put you off that sport too?

There's plenty of people in sport who put their body on the line to barely make enough to get by.

~Rebel~

thebaz wrote: »

I just don't enjoy watching the very high level of football any more, for that reason - I can't relate to a footballer making over a 100k a week - perhaps a Messi or Ronaldo - when you watch league of Ireland players giving it there all , I can relate more - same for rugby players at top level , they are not making these obscene amounts .

I guess it comes down to what you're looking for from sport. Personally, I don't feel any need to relate to the players I'm watching. It's almost the opposite, I want to see people at the very top level do things that I could never even dream of doing. It's entertainment, with a dose of emotional connection.

Not that there isn't something great about relating to a sports person, like Olympians, many of whom make next to nothing for their efforts, and achieve incredible things. It's a far more powerful human story, with a more interesting background. But it's not a necessity for me to enjoy something at least.

The Talking Bread

Pete Moss wrote: »

Yes. The move is obviously motivated by money first and foremost. The dog in the street can see that much.

I've read the Ballon D'Or argument, as well as it being mentioned about Neymar stepping out of Messi's shadow, but this is no more than a smokescreen, IMO.

Will he win titles in France? Of course, It'd be hard not to, particularly as Monaco's impressive young team continues to be dismantled. Though I doubt Neymar Jr. dreamt of lifting the prestigious Ligue 1 title as a boy. Therefore, I would feel this move is step down for the player which shows a decrease in professional hunger, ambition, call it what you please.

Maybe me referring to this move as a "step down" is a bit harsh though, after all time will tell. Are Barca in decline? Depends really on what they buy. Are PSG on the rise? Depends really on what they've bought.

I wrote some of this post earlier and I apologise for copy and pasting it again but, in response to that there is more to these moves than just money.
Obviously he and his family will be licking their lips at the weekly wages, they know they can demand but for people to suggest that once why is everything so "one or the other" when it comes to these type of moves.

Neymar clearly is an extremely passionate and emotional footballer on the field, noone can question his commitment, look at him when he plays for Brazil, he seems to have huge ambition as a footballer in his own right, always thriving to take advantage of his talents and doesn't seem like the sort of player that is just happy to pick up a wage packet and go through the motions.

He achieved everything at Barca. Careers don't end at Madrid and Barca.

Money aside,(and it isn't as if Neymar wasn't set to live like a King, stay or go anyway) there is also the topic of Neymar's ego at play here (in a positive manner)

Maybe Neymar wants a team built around him and not somewhat overshadowed by Barca's main protagonist Messi.

Maybe he wants to be the one who is remembered as the player that took PSG to the next level, where a huge club is centered around him as a player and, even, figure.

It is poor mentality for some players who are limited to an extent, something which Neymar clearly isn't, but he does seem to thrive in that role and loves the worship that he is subject to for his own national team.

It is a new venture, a new project. At the end of the day it is a career but it is a short one and certain players get itchy feet and seek new challenges, especially when the challenge reaps so many rewards.

He isn't going there to retire ffs.

He owes nothing to Barca, he has left so much on the field, they don't even owe anything to him apart from respect for the effort he has put in. (not pathetic posts calling him a traitor or a judas!!)

A change of scenery is always exciting to. Paris is a wonderful place to live, I can imagine. (not that Barcelona isn't) . It isn't as if he is f*cking off to Makhachkala or Dalian or Mumbai. And he will, once more, be surrounded by brilliant colleagues for a team that is desperate for top success

Sorry for the fairytale post!

Osmosis Jones

Since when have you had to relate to a football player? It's a sport, not art. I can understand someone not enjoying a certain musician because they can't relate to what they're singing about, but a football player? No way.

thebaz

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Rugby isnt nearlyt as popular worldwide.

It's weird, guards put their bodies on the line yet they dont even get 100k a year, do you really enjoy watching rugby players who earn that much

I just don't enjoy watching the very high level of football any more, for that reason - I can't relate to a footballer making over a 100k a week - perhaps a Messi or Ronaldo - when you watch league of Ireland players giving it there all , I can relate more - same for rugby or GAA players at top level , they are not making these obscene amounts .

Billy86

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Rugby isnt nearlyt as popular worldwide.

It's weird, guards put their bodies on the line yet they dont even get 100k a year, do you really enjoy watching rugby players who earn that much

Not true, Osemele and Kevin Zeitler make over 10mn a year.

(I'll get my coat)

Osmosis Jones

I'd rather watch skilful players than ones who just throw themselves around. Watching someone "put their body on the line" isn't appealing in the slightest.

KERSPLAT!

I couldn't care less who pays who how much and what they pay the player in wages. I like watching football, what they earn has no bearing on that.

raze_them_all_

thebaz wrote: »

do people really enjoy watching footballers who make that much money - who cares if PSG win the CL - I'm all for footballers getting looking after , particularly those from poorer South American countries - how do average Brazilians relate to players making that ?

Rugby players put there bodies on the line , and they don't make that in a year - good luck

Rugby isnt nearlyt as popular worldwide.

It's weird, guards put their bodies on the line yet they dont even get 100k a year, do you really enjoy watching rugby players who earn that much

thebaz

greendom wrote: »

£515,000 per week AFTER TAX!!! That is just insane

do people really enjoy watching footballers who make that much money - who cares if PSG win the CL - I'm all for footballers getting looking after , particularly those from poorer South American countries - how do average Brazilians relate to players making that ?

Rugby players put there bodies on the line , and they don't make that in a year - good luck

blueser

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

Interesting comments by Suarez in Dec 2015 (who is a better player than Neymar btw)

Asked about the possibility of leaving Barca to join another club :
"I suffered a lot to get here, it’s the club I always wanted to play for,” he said.
"Even if [another club] offered me triple the money to leave, I wouldn't leave.
"My family is happy. It’s impossible [that I’d leave]. I am going to stay here for many years."

Not sure what your point is, to be honest. They're two different people. With different outlooks, different personalities, diferent priorities in life. Are you seriously suggesting that because Suarez committed himself long term to Barca, that Neymar should do the same? You're not, are you?

Harry Palmr

Will PSG end up with garnish on a wobbly soft cake? They'll have to balance the books to at least some degree through traditional means with sales and there will be plenty of interest in various mid-fielders in particular I suspect.

MisterAnarchy

Interesting comments by Suarez in Dec 2015 (who is a better player than Neymar btw)

Asked about the possibility of leaving Barca to join another club :
"I suffered a lot to get here, it’s the club I always wanted to play for,” he said.
"Even if [another club] offered me triple the money to leave, I wouldn't leave.
"My family is happy. It’s impossible [that I’d leave]. I am going to stay here for many years."

[Deleted User]

I don't really care much for Barca, PSG or Neymar (even though he is a hell of a talent) either way, but I must admit that there's a certain schadenfreude to this transfer which is just delightful.

Pete Moss

The Talking Bread wrote:

Are you suggesting Neymar isn't showing any element or even a decreased element of professional hunger with this move?

Yes. The move is obviously motivated by money first and foremost. The dog in the street can see that much.

I've read the Ballon D'Or argument, as well as it being mentioned about Neymar stepping out of Messi's shadow, but this is no more than a smokescreen, IMO.

Will he win titles in France? Of course, It'd be hard not to, particularly as Monaco's impressive young team continues to be dismantled. Though I doubt Neymar Jr. dreamt of lifting the prestigious Ligue 1 title as a boy. Therefore, I would feel this move is step down for the player which shows a decrease in professional hunger, ambition, call it what you please.

Maybe me referring to this move as a "step down" is a bit harsh though, after all time will tell. Are Barca in decline? Depends really on what they buy. Are PSG on the rise? Depends really on what they've bought.

The Talking Bread

Pete Moss wrote: »

Whilst acquiring, arguably, the third best player on the planet is far from idiotic, I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call PSG "savvy" with their acquisitions particularly when they're flinging €220m (plus wages and his father's fees) at one of these acquisitions.

Football has it's own economy, lets be honest. As you said, at 25, he is the "media's heralded 3rd best player in the world"
A large amount of that price comes down to commercial issues (see Paul Pogba - see any half retired player heading to the footballing prestige of Asia), buying a player like Neymar will take the club, as a club to another planet, as well as their actual team and he will play the best years of his career there perhaps. It will lead to a domino effect where the prestige of playing for PSG will grow more and more over time.

As well as a unbelievable player, they are buying an unbelievable brand and clubs like PSG, who have the ambition and cash to reach these levels will always pay astronomical looking prices.

A club like PSG were never going to be able to haggle with Barca over Neymar, they pay the shelf price and right now these are the shelf prices for players like him.

They wanted him. They had the money. The player wanted to join. The only stumbling block was Barca's representatives. But they overcame that.

Look at the state of the market. It is monopoly money.