Irish Steve wrote: » To put that in context. You have a windows computer (laptop) that one of your kids has just dropped into the bath. There is a mountain of critical information on the hard drive, and it's very important to you that it gets recovered. The work to do that, with certainty, is massive, and time consuming, and there's sometimes only one chance to get it right, especially if there is any damage to the device. It's frustrating for the people on site, but they know that there is no way that they have the equipment or the expertise to gain access to the critical information that's in that box. It will be being transported to London in a sealed container of water, to prevent more damage, and prevent it drying out before they are ready to perform the correct preservation processes on it, and that's only the beginning of the process. The UK are world class at dealing with FDR hardware, and they have the set up to do it, so if there is information there, we can be confident that they will recover everything that can humanly be recovered from it.
TomOnBoard wrote: » The US FAA (I think its called the Code of Federal Regulations Title14) stipulates that voice recorders must be capable of recording totally independently of total aircraft power loss for something like minimum 10 minutes. Acknowledging that FAA rules might differ from those in Europe, is it likely that the R116 (being a US manufactured Sikorsky) at least provide this level of backup, in addition to or exceeding EU regs?
Irish Steve wrote: » It may have, to be honest, the most important data is the flight data recorder rather than the voice recorder, and that can be seriously upset by failures that stop some devices from sending their data to the device, but that can in some cases also provide massive clues about what failed and the failure sequence. We should hopefully have a lot more information in the next few days,
...And Justice wrote: » I hope we have news of the crew members in the morning. The web and its shoddy journalism is fcuking disgusting. Sorry for cursing mods. I'm frustrated. I understand it takes time to do data analysis, believe me I know.
Steve wrote: » We all hope for that and the frustration is evident in everyone's posts. I'd like to commend most of the members here for the respect, patience, and understanding they have shown.
Irish Steve wrote: » No need to apologise, there's been a few choice words flying around here this evening as well, but at least we had some resources in reserve today, which meant we could keep on top of what was going on. I find what's happened this evening to be beyond contempt, to name an individual and then in the same story state that the investigators would not confirm their story is about as low as they could sink, and now the dust is settling some, I am very happy I took the line I did earlier. Hopefully, we will get some better information in the morning, but for now, I can at least be happy that we did what had to be done in good conscience. That said, I'm also glad it's not a popularity contest, when the posts are hitting the board faster than you can read them, that's when it gets hard.
FrancieBrady wrote: » In relation to another air accident I wondered why this data cannot be transmitted back to base in some sort of over writable way, when the craft lands safely the space is ready to receive new data. Aircraft transmit in flight to their manufacturers already I believe. Would have helped massively in the last few years alone. Even in locating the wreckage. Delighted some progress has been made today.
Atlantic Dawn wrote: » I don't know whether it's better with live updates or no updates, I think if it was a member of my family missing I would prefare a 12 hour plus blackout on media announcements.
ED E wrote: » On a bureaucratic note, who has control of the scene? Is it the AAIU or Gardai? Seems strange to have AGS spokesman leading the media dialogue when the AAIU have expertise here. Are we the same as canada that crashes default to criminal investigations?
tricky D wrote: » We would like to show a bit of class here unlike other outlets doing cheap scoops and wait at least until the families have been informed. Soon after that there will be official announcements and we will know the actual situation and then can have a decent and respectful discussion.
Atlantic Dawn wrote: » Not sure, we can't even examine a black box here so I'd imagine it's down to outside forces to specify who holds the cards.
Means Of Escape wrote: » If the journal posted the recovery of a named crew member 3 hours ago (an hour before you posted the above statement)one would expect that his family would have been notified long before that point ?
Irish Steve wrote: » The issue earlier, and not resolved by the statement issued at 0030 is that there had been NO official information release from the people in charge of the recovery.
Irish Steve wrote: » All I had to go on some 3 hours ago was one tabloid paper that had released that one of the 3 missing crew members had been found, (NOT recovered) but to then make things complicated, they stated that the official sources had not confirmed their story. Much later, an official statement was made that one crew member had been found, but had not yet been recovered. On that basis, I believe it was utterly disrespectful to name the individual given that the official sources were not prepared to release that name, which could have been as a result of the family requesting time to notify relatives of the change of information.
Steve wrote: » When you consider the amount of data involved and the amount of aircraft in the air at any given time, the infrastructure just isn't there to handle it yet. In IT terms it's possible if you have access to a LAN but not on one of many aircraft, for example, that are mid atlantic.
TomOnBoard wrote: » Absolutely! However, there are serious bandwidth issues involved, and despite what we think would be nice, there ain't no high speed WiFi network available over the Atlantic. I think commercial passenger aircraft and possibly others use ACARS to send a small subset of available data from air to ground since the 1990s- a tiny fraction of what the Flight Data Recorder stores AFAIK. In time, the infrastructure on high and out in the wilds will support better real time data comms, but when you remember the difficulty R116 and Shannon had simply making Raio contact with R118 last week, I think we're a bit away from it yet...
FrancieBrady wrote: » Understood, but surely some info is better than none. Develop the tech onboard, maybe it won't work all the time, hut it probably would have here. What would be the downside?
Rodin wrote: Would have been better to just say a body was found and leave it at that...
