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Parliament is on lockdown after gunshots were heard outside the Palace of Westminster.

http://news.sky.com/story/gunshots-heard-outside-parliament-10810680

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FrancieBrady

Widdershins wrote: »

A p.s to Francie: How long do you think it takes for someone to work up the nerve to proceed with an attack, in the knowledge that they will die for it?

How long is a piece of string?

Widdershins

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No. The clear evidence that they no longer have the ability/organisation to mount coordinated attacks.
The appeals for low level attacks that are obviously falling on a very limited amount of ears.

So why did the guy attack one of the most policed places in London? Why didn't he go to one of these rural towns somebody mentioned earlier?

There is nothing rational about scaremongering.

Targets. The houses of parliament.

Who's scared?

BattleCorp

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Attacker named as Khalid Masood, born in Kent, sounds like your average common or garden variety scumbag with a string of previous convictions, none of them terror related. Reminds me of a neighbour of my own that went on a similar rampage on the Dutch/German border a couple of years ago, luckily the only person he managed to kill was himself.

Maybe martyrdom is his equivalent of going to confession to atone/get forgiveness for past sins?

ScumLord

Noddyholder wrote: »

I don't think they have mental issues at all, I think they are very well organised & very well committed to what they themselves believe in & will die for, or go onto serve very lengthy jail sentences.

You're taking what I said out of context. I'm not saying all extremists have mental health issues, just that this guy might. The attack was uncoordinated, it did no real damage to any public property or infrastructure, while any people dying is awful this isn't on a par with any major attack where dozens of people died. When you compare it to 911 or the London bombings it's extremely amateurish.

Maybe this was a sanctioned attack, but if this is the best they're capable of they don't pose any major threat to the western democracies. Any ISIS wannabe that see's this attack will see him getting shot within minutes of starting his attack and it being pretty ineffective. London will mourn these people and carry on, a train strike would cause more mayhem than this attack did.

If this was a sanctioned attack it's hard to see it as anything but a complete failure.

Widdershins

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's not typical behaviour from sane people either.

The Mad vs Bad debate.

Don't conflate mental illness with jihadism.

A p.s to Francie: How long do you think it takes for someone to work up the nerve to proceed with an attack, in the knowledge that they will die for it?

FrancieBrady

Widdershins wrote: »

Looks like it,how? Optimism?

No. The clear evidence that they no longer have the ability/organisation to mount coordinated attacks.
The appeals for low level attacks that are obviously falling on a very limited amount of ears.

It would be an issue for someone who wants the opportunity to kill and maim before they die, clearly.

You're entirely impervious to rational explanations.

So why did the guy attack one of the most policed places in London? Why didn't he go to one of these rural towns somebody mentioned earlier?

There is nothing rational about scaremongering.

Professor Moriarty

Widdershins wrote: »

It's not typical behaviour from nervous breakdown sufferers,

It's not typical behaviour from sane people either.

The Backwards Man

Attacker named as Khalid Masood, born in Kent, sounds like your average common or garden variety scumbag with a string of previous convictions, none of them terror related. Reminds me of a neighbour of my own that went on a similar rampage on the Dutch/German border a couple of years ago, luckily the only person he managed to kill was himself.

Widdershins

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes, it certainly looks like it will.
As everybody as said, there is little you can do with these random attacks only react.

Why would that bother somebody who expects and wants to die?

If somebody could give me a rational explanation for the absence of many many more low level attacks from the millions and millions of Muslims baying at the leash to over run western civilisation, that would be good.

Looks like it,how? Optimism?

It would be an issue for someone who wants the opportunity to kill and maim before they die, clearly.

You're entirely impervious to rational explanations.

Widdershins

ScumLord wrote: »

The attack wasn't any more organised than someone just losing it there and then and deciding to go on a rampage. If that's the best they can come up with democracy is safe. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this guy has mental issues, or has been under some sort of stress and just snapped.

It's not typical behaviour from nervous breakdown sufferers,

FrancieBrady

Widdershins wrote: »

Do you expect this level of alert and intelligence work to continue to prove adequate, indefinitely?

Yes, it certainly looks like it will.
As everybody as said, there is little you can do with these random attacks only react.

You ask why there weren't more attacks like it if the will was there? Could it be because of the armed security presence, by a any chance?

Why would that bother somebody who expects and wants to die?

If somebody could give me a rational explanation for the absence of many many more low level attacks from the millions and millions of Muslims baying at the leash to over run western civilisation, that would be good.

Widdershins

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am denying that it was a 'major' attack, or anything like it.

The very fact that somebody failed today shows how lucky the guy was yesterday and how desperate it was.

If you listened to people on here about the size of this threat, how come we are not seeing this happening every hour? How hard is it to drive a car into the centre of a city and up onto a footpath?

4 dead and that could rise. 29 injured; seven of those, critically. And at that, the death toll and number of wounded is not yet higher purely because of the level of alertness of the security services and the actions of first responders. If intelligence fails them in future you have to wonder how many attacks might happen, be they ''major'' by your standards or 'only' killing or wounding 33 people and costing the state god knows how much. Do you expect this level of alert and intelligence work to continue to prove adequate, indefinitely?

You ask why there weren't more attacks like it if the will was there? Ignoring the attempts the intelligence services managed to disrupt, Could it be because of the armed security presence, by a any chance?

seachto7

ScumLord wrote: »

The attack wasn't any more organised than someone just losing it there and then and deciding to go on a rampage. If that's the best they can come up with democracy is safe. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this guy has mental issues, or has been under some sort of stress and just snapped.

That's the usual excuse....

ohnonotgmail

Deleted User wrote: »

The vending machine was out of Snickers earlier, obviously my first thought was possible Eirigi and RIRA involvement.

Choccy ar la?

ohnonotgmail

OWinter wrote: »

I obviously see nothing funny about the attack was more commenting on possible Eirigi and RIRA involvement.

The hilarious bit is that the first thing you thought of was Eirigi and RIRA.

[Deleted User]

OWinter wrote: »

I obviously see nothing funny about the attack was more commenting on possible Eirigi and RIRA involvement.

The vending machine was out of Snickers earlier, obviously my first thought was possible Eirigi and RIRA involvement.

FrancieBrady

OWinter wrote: »

I know seems funny but that was my first thought especially with Parliament and police being targets

It's not funny, it's a ludicrous idea to have. Some of them would have cheerfully taken McGuinness out.

OWinter

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Funny? its bloody hilarious.

I obviously see nothing funny about the attack was more commenting on possible Eirigi and RIRA involvement.

Noddyholder

OWinter wrote: »

My first thoughts when this happened was that it could be a possible RIRA or Eirigi tribute to the Late Martin McGuiness - glad I was wrong

RIP to the victims

They be celebrating MmcG death.

ohnonotgmail

OWinter wrote: »

I know seems funny but that was my first thought especially with Parliament and police being targets

Funny? its bloody hilarious.

Noddyholder

ScumLord wrote: »

The attack wasn't any more organised than someone just losing it there and then and deciding to go on a rampage. If that's the best they can come up with democracy is safe. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this guy has mental issues, or has been under some sort of stress and just snapped.

I suppose it is very hard to take in that there are people among us who hate us, hate the way we live, the way we dress, they hate everything about us, Its easier just to say they are nut jobs & maybe /hopefully they have mental issues.

I don't think they have mental issues at all, I think they are very well organised & very well committed to what they themselves believe in & will die for, or go onto serve very lengthy jail sentences.

I also think western society has been lucky, in that they haven't succeeded in a another type 9/11 attack, But they only have to be lucky once we have to be lucky all the time.

OWinter

FrancieBrady wrote: »

RIRA, Eirigí paying 'tribute' to Martin McGuinness? Seriously????

I know seems funny but that was my first thought especially with Parliament and police being targets

donkeykong5

selwyn froggitt wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Yes they have. Many have moved to Norfolk. Have you seen the state of Luton recently ?

What? Luton is in Bedfordshire the last time I looked

Duh. Obviously I know that. I was just commenting on the state of it. Similar now to oval .stockwell. brixton. Croydon. And Peckham.

FrancieBrady

BattleCorp wrote: »

It would be very easy to launch a major attack. Much easier if they picked smaller towns in which to carry out these attacks. London is very fortified now. Plenty of armed police. Not so much in sleepy rural areas or small towns.

If a terrorist was to go into a primary school armed with a knife in a rural area, they'd be able to slaughter 20 or 30 kids in a few minutes. What's to stop them?

If a terrorist was to get a lorry and decided to plough into a load of people at a parade or demonstration, or shopping centre, or at a funeral - well we have seen the effects of that already.

There never has been anything to stop them and never will be.

But apparently there are milluns and milluns of Muslims justing queuing up to do it.

ScumLord

Noddyholder wrote: »

I don't see it as desperate , I see it as using the tools that are right there in front of them to launch an attack.

The attack wasn't any more organised than someone just losing it there and then and deciding to go on a rampage. If that's the best they can come up with democracy is safe. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this guy has mental issues, or has been under some sort of stress and just snapped.

BattleCorp

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Because they are no longer able to launch major attacks.

It would be very easy to launch a major attack. Much easier if they picked smaller towns in which to carry out these attacks. London is very fortified now. Plenty of armed police. Not so much in sleepy rural areas or small towns.

If a terrorist was to go into a primary school armed with a knife in a rural area, they'd be able to slaughter 20 or 30 kids in a few minutes. What's to stop them?

If a terrorist was to get a lorry and decided to plough into a load of people at a parade or demonstration, or shopping centre, or at a funeral - well we have seen the effects of that already.

FrancieBrady

OWinter wrote: »

My first thoughts when this happened was that it could be a possible RIRA or Eirigi tribute to the Late Martin McGuiness - glad I was wrong

RIP to the victims

RIRA, Eirigí paying 'tribute' to Martin McGuinness? Seriously????

[Deleted User]

OWinter wrote: »

My first thoughts when this happened was that it could be a possible RIRA or Eirigi tribute to the Late Martin McGuiness - glad I was wrong

RIP to the victims

Oh aye, sure they love ould Martin.

A_Sober_Paddy

elefant wrote: »

How?

Who do we attack? Where?

How do we take out lone nut-jobs like the guy from London yesterday?

Saudi Arabia they seem to find a lot of the dodgy schools that push the fundamental viewpoint

selwyn froggitt

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Yes they have. Many have moved to Norfolk. Have you seen the state of Luton recently ?

What? Luton is in Bedfordshire the last time I looked