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Child refugees -majority to be males aged 17???

Confused mum84

Read that Children's minister Katherine Zappone has announced that majority of child refugees to be taken in by Ireland will be "males aged between 16/17. A couple of points on this :

1. Shouldn't we be prioritising the youngest & therefore most vulnerable of children ? Have seen reports of children as young as 12 being unaccompanied .

2. Why will majority be male? It's been well documented that unaccompanied girls faces huge risks of sexual assault & human trafficking . Again , shouldn't this young group be prioritised as much as almost adult males

3. It's well known that there are people in their 20's & well into their 30's claiming to be "17 year old children" . Why are we intentionally rewarding this decit by prioritising this age group..these people are stopping a genuine child from getting a proper place in a host country . Of course we need to include some 17 year olds but why prioritise this age ...

Makes me think it's all down to money & a box ticking exercise . The cost of "caring for a 17 year old child " is going to be far far less cheaper in the medium to long term for the government . Thus the government can get a "pat on the back " for doing their bit while keeping costs as low as possible

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gitzy16v

Brian? wrote: »

But not legally an adult until 18.

The British are sending children off to war?

[Deleted User]

Mary63 wrote: »

I don't think its poor little snowflakes if someone actually dreads going into work because of their workmates behaviour and I posted this in relation to Timberrr saying how Poles were treated on the building site and how terrible the Irish were.This was an Irish person working on her own with maybe ten Poles and no one spoke to her all day.They laughed and joked among themselves in Polish even though a staff meeting had been called and they were told this was making their colleague miserable.This colleague now can't stand Polish people so another failed exercise in multiculturalism.

They didn't do anything to make her job miserable, she was clearly paranoid.
Why she should think they were talking & laughing about her, is gas!.
Maybe she was so full of her own importance!

Timberrrrrrrr

bubblypop wrote: »

They didn't do anything to make her job miserable, she was clearly paranoid.
Why she should think they were talking & laughing about her, is gas!.
Maybe she was so full of her own importance!

Paranoia seems to run in the family.

[Deleted User]

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Paranoia seems to run in the family.

LOLZ

jmayo

Mary63 wrote: »

I don't think its poor little snowflakes if someone actually dreads going into work because of their workmates behaviour and I posted this in relation to Timberrr saying how Poles were treated on the building site and how terrible the Irish were.This was an Irish person working on her own with maybe ten Poles and no one spoke to her all day.They laughed and joked among themselves in Polish even though a staff meeting had been called and they were told this was making their colleague miserable.This colleague now can't stand Polish people so another failed exercise in multiculturalism.

I don't think anyone could say the Poles bring a totally different culture to Ireland.
They are not that different to Irish people and they do fit in quiet well.
They are from primarily a catholic background, they like a few drinks, they are Europeans and they have a sad history of being conquered and screwed over by their neighbours.

Mulitculturalism seems to have been coined to basically sell the fact that integration, of in particular muslims, has failed.
Thus rather than one mono culture lets conceed that we have mulitple cultures in our society and some of these cultures basically wants nothing to do with the dominant indigenous culture.

Mulitculturalism basically admits fauilure of integration and twin or parallel societies.
Of course some would like to play it as meaning that immigrants can hang onto some of their old social customs, they can play their old games and sports from home, they can hang out together socially and celebrate their own holidays.
oh and they can eat their own foods and have their own restuarants, take aways and shops.

The Irish have done that in particular in the USA.
So have the Italians, Mexicans, Cubans, etc.

The thing is though they are American first and foremost and they didn't want to set up their own legal systems, their own parallel societies.
And they didn't detest the country that took them in, even when they weren't always very welcoming and not dishing out any handouts.

b_mac2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

not that it matters but English, Spanish, German and Swedish.

Ich persönlich glaube, dass es eine Lüge ist, dass du diese Sprachen fließend sprichst. Beweise mir das Gegenteil.

Timberrrrrrrr

b_mac2 wrote: »

Ich persönlich glaube, dass es eine Lüge ist, dass du diese Sprachen fließend sprichst. Beweise mir das Gegenteil.

I don't care wether you believe me or not my friend I don't feel the need to validate myself to strangers on the Internet;)

b_mac2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I don't care wether you believe me or not my friend I don't feel the need to validate myself to strangers on the Internet;)

Ganz wie ich gedacht hatte.

Timberrrrrrrr

b_mac2 wrote: »

Ganz wie ich gedacht hatte.

:rolleyes:

b_mac2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Ill speak English so, seeing as you obviously can't speak German.

Roll your eyes all you want, I've just called you out as being a liar.

Timberrrrrrrr

b_mac2 wrote: »

Ill speak English so, seeing as you obviously can't speak German.

Roll your eyes all you want, I've just called you out as being a liar.

You have asked me one question in German, I replied! Would you prefer I had replied in German? What would this prove? 20 seconds on Google translate could give anyone the answer to what you wrote and a reply. I could have replied in congolese or swahili if I wanted it wouldn't prove anything.

You have mistakenly called me a liar and I would like you to remind that accusation, The only way I could actually satisfy your question is if we were face to face.

gitzy16v

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

20 seconds on Google translate could give anyone the answer to what you wrote

Exactly.

Timberrrrrrrr

gitzy16v wrote: »

Exactly.

So your silly little test proves nothing

Now please apologise for calling me a liar.

gitzy16v

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So your silly little test proves nothing

Now please apologise for calling me a liar.

Refrain from getting frothy at the mouth with rage.
I called you nothing of the sort.

Timberrrrrrrr

gitzy16v wrote: »

Refrain from getting frothy at the mouth with rage.
I called you nothing of the sort.

My apologies I has you mixed up with another poster.

Mary63

The PC brigade are hilarious, Irish people are among the most racist on the planet and we are so awful to want immigration of non nationals controlled.

An Irish person is made to feel uncomfortable in their workplace by a group of Polish colleagues we should have laid out the red carpet to welcome.Instead of the Poles trying to make an effort to speak in english, a language they are fully competent in, they speak in Polish knowing this makes a work environment very unpleasant for the single Irish person who doesn't speak Polish.Its the fault of the Irish person that they don't learn Polish and the fact that they haven't done this and feel isolated means they are paranoid.

You really couldn't make this nonsense up.

Why do the UK authorities have a problem with the number of Poles coming into the UK.The Poles pose no danger to their host country as afar as I know though they do seem to have a huge problem with alcohol and are regularly in Court facing serious charges.Seemingly they don't pay car insurance either, all those VW small cars you see being driven so dangerously are being driven by Poles with no insurance.

ETA http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/court-hears-of-17-individuals-in-one-room-in-dublin-house-1.2948095

Hopefully if all these people are illegal immigrants they an all be deported now.More than likely though they will be put on the councils housing list and given emergency accommodation.

Mary63

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/let-s-talk-about-the-link-between-immigration-and-low-reproduction-rates-1.2926375

This is a really well written article, Katherine Zappone should definitely read it.

[Deleted User]

Mary63 wrote: »

The PC brigade are hilarious, Irish people are among the most racist on the planet and we are so awful to want immigration of non nationals controlled.

An Irish person is made to feel uncomfortable in their workplace by a group of Polish colleagues we should have laid out the red carpet to welcome.Instead of the Poles trying to make an effort to speak in english, a language they are fully competent in, they speak in Polish knowing this makes a work environment very unpleasant for the single Irish person who doesn't speak Polish.Its the fault of the Irish person that they don't learn Polish and the fact that they haven't done this and feel isolated means they are paranoid.

You really couldn't make this nonsense up.

Why do the UK authorities have a problem with the number of Poles coming into the UK.The Poles pose no danger to their host country as afar as I know though they do seem to have a huge problem with alcohol and are regularly in Court facing serious charges.Seemingly they don't pay car insurance either, all those VW small cars you see being driven so dangerously are being driven by Poles with no insurance.

ETA http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/court-hears-of-17-individuals-in-one-room-in-dublin-house-1.2948095

Hopefully if all these people are illegal immigrants they an all be deported now.More than likely though they will be put on the councils housing list and given emergency accommodation.

And exactly what do polish people have to do with refugees from Calais?

b_mac2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You have asked me one question in German, I replied! Would you prefer I had replied in German? What would this prove? 20 seconds on Google translate could give anyone the answer to what you wrote and a reply. I could have replied in congolese or swahili if I wanted it wouldn't prove anything.

You have mistakenly called me a liar and I would like you to remind that accusation, The only way I could actually satisfy your question is if we were face to face.

If you were actually fluent in any other languages, you would know that Google translate can't form sentence structures, so even if you were to type something longer than two words in, it wouldn't make any sense.

So just as you're quick to pull the racist card to people, i'm pulling the spoof card on you.

Timberrrrrrrr

b_mac2 wrote: »

If you were actually fluent in any other languages, you would know that Google translate can't form sentence structures, so even if you were to type something longer than two words in, it wouldn't make any sense.

So just as you're quick to pull the racist card to people, i'm pulling the spoof card on you.

Lol

Who have I called racist? Link to that post please?

b_mac2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Awful bang of racism from your posts Mary, the mask is slipping.

There you go.

My call out still stands, you're a spoof.

Mary63

Exactly bubblypop, it was Timberrrr who posted the heartrending tale about how Polish and Chinese people are treated by Irish construction staff.I posted what someone experienced at the hands of Polish colleagues to provide balance.

alastair

b_mac2 wrote: »

There you go.

My call out still stands, you're a spoof.

Thing is - those posts are undeniably racist.

Re: Calais unaccompanied minors - no problem here with taking them in, nor with pulling such a percentage of our Syrian refugee numbers from Calais rather than Turkey/Jordan. My only query is on the costs mooted for this 20 - they seem entirely overblown and plucked out of the air.

Great cavalcade of knee jerk bile evident in this thread though. Doing the country proud.

jmayo

Mary63 wrote: »

The PC brigade are hilarious, Irish people are among the most racist on the planet and we are so awful to want immigration of non nationals controlled.

An Irish person is made to feel uncomfortable in their workplace by a group of Polish colleagues we should have laid out the red carpet to welcome.Instead of the Poles trying to make an effort to speak in english, a language they are fully competent in, they speak in Polish knowing this makes a work environment very unpleasant for the single Irish person who doesn't speak Polish.Its the fault of the Irish person that they don't learn Polish and the fact that they haven't done this and feel isolated means they are paranoid.

You really couldn't make this nonsense up.

Why do the UK authorities have a problem with the number of Poles coming into the UK.The Poles pose no danger to their host country as afar as I know though they do seem to have a huge problem with alcohol and are regularly in Court facing serious charges.Seemingly they don't pay car insurance either, all those VW small cars you see being driven so dangerously are being driven by Poles with no insurance.

ETA http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/court-hears-of-17-individuals-in-one-room-in-dublin-house-1.2948095

Hopefully if all these people are illegal immigrants they an all be deported now.More than likely though they will be put on the councils housing list and given emergency accommodation.

Come on now.
I am definitely not a fan of muslim immigrants and some African asylum seeking welfare and passports, but the Poles and indeed other European nationalities have added a fair bit to this country.
Any of those immigrants, and lets be fair those from further afield in Asia or South America and some Africans have worked damn hard when they get here.

They are just doing what Irish have done for a big chunk of our history.
They come to work, send money back home to the folks and make a better life for themselves and their families.

And seriously can you not see the irony of having a go at Poles for having alcohol problems.

And as for the British not being happy about Poles, they should remember how many of them died to help Britain in WWII and how the British government together with the yanks sold out the Poles to Stalin.

jmayo

alastair wrote: »

Thing is - those posts are undeniably racist.

Re: Calais unaccompanied minors - no problem here with taking them in, nor with pulling such a percentage of our Syrian refugee numbers from Calais rather than Turkey/Jordan. My only query is on the costs mooted for this 20 - they seem entirely overblown and plucked out of the air.

Great cavalcade of knee jerk bile evident in this thread though. Doing the country proud.

For a start a lot of the so called minors from Calais and indeed off the boats to Europe have been proven to be bogus and frauds.
Two prime examples are the Berlin truck attacker who claimed he was minor when he first arrived in Italy although he was 19.
The supposed 15 year old refugee who stabbed the aid worker to death in Sweden was deemed to be an adult by the state and this is roll over and take it Sweden we are talking about.
One of the lone wolf attacks in Germany by so called minor was proven to be an adult.
The list goes on and on.

Also there were "refugees" (not refugees but economic migrants) in Calais before Syria really kicked off and lets just say a lot of them are a little too African looking to be Syrian

You are basically buying into the media, political, celebrity driven drivel that every one is a Syrian.
It is heartstring tugging at it's very worst.
And the left then complain about false information from the right. :rolleyes:

Of course when that Syrian myth is challenged the go to remark is that they are not all Syrians, but nevertheless they are refugees as they are fleeing warzones.
That can work when they are from Eritrea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Chad, Sudan, Mali, Somalia.
But what about when they are fleeing Nigeria, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Kosovo ?

And after you look at the nationalities why not ask what is the gender breakdown and the age breakdown.
Compare these "refugees" to pictures of refugees from any other previous eras.
Hell why not compare it to Bosniac refugees.
They were also muslim, but yet they were primarily women, children and the old.

AnGaelach

Confused mum84 wrote: »

1. Shouldn't we be prioritising the youngest & therefore most vulnerable of children ? Have seen reports of children as young as 12 being unaccompanied.

Well you can hardly pass a 34 year old man off as a 12 year old, but they could probably pass for 17.

Confused mum84 wrote: »

2. Why will majority be male? It's been well documented that unaccompanied girls faces huge risks of sexual assault & human trafficking . Again , shouldn't this young group be prioritised as much as almost adult males

Because the vast, vast majority of migrants in general are male

Confused mum84 wrote: »

3. It's well known that there are people in their 20's & well into their 30's claiming to be "17 year old children" . Why are we intentionally rewarding this decit by prioritising this age group..these people are stopping a genuine child from getting a proper place in a host country . Of course we need to include some 17 year olds but why prioritise this age ...

Because the bleeding heart buffoons have been intentionally rewarding deceit and illegality since this crisis started. Encouraging hundreds of thousands of make a dangerous trip by refusing to bar them entry. Encouraging the human traffickers to continue operating by sending vessels to rescue migrants and then taking them to Europe instead of returning them back. By (in Sweden at least) telling police to just accept any claim of being a child so long as the man doesn't look older than 40. By covering up crimes committed by groups for fear of a "right-wing backlash".

Confused mum84 wrote: »

Makes me think it's all down to money & a box ticking exercise . The cost of "caring for a 17 year old child " is going to be far far less cheaper in the medium to long term for the government . Thus the government can get a "pat on the back " for doing their bit while keeping costs as low as possible

It's a feel-good response from the rationally inept and the morally superior that has caused more harm than good. No doubt Miss Zappone will find a comfortable job with an NGO after her stint in the Dáil (if she doesn't simply go back to the Seanad of course).

alastair

jmayo wrote: »

For a start a lot of the so called minors from Calais and indeed off the boats to Europe have been proven to be bogus and frauds.
Two prime examples are the Berlin truck attacker who claimed he was minor when he first arrived in Italy although he was 19.
The supposed 15 year old refugee who stabbed the aid worker to death in Sweden was deemed to be an adult by the state and this is roll over and take it Sweden we are talking about.
One of the lone wolf attacks in Germany by so called minor was proven to be an adult.
The list goes on and on.

Also there were "refugees" (not refugees but economic migrants) in Calais before Syria really kicked off and lets just say a lot of them are a little too African looking to be Syrian

You are basically buying into the media, political, celebrity driven drivel that every one is a Syrian.
It is heartstring tugging at it's very worst.
And the left then complain about false information from the right. :rolleyes:

Of course when that Syrian myth is challenged the go to remark is that they are not all Syrians, but nevertheless they are refugees as they are fleeing warzones.
That can work when they are from Eritrea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Chad, Sudan, Mali, Somalia.
But what about when they are fleeing Nigeria, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Kosovo ?

And after you look at the nationalities why not ask what is the gender breakdown and the age breakdown.
Compare these "refugees" to pictures of refugees from any other previous eras.
Hell why not compare it to Bosniac refugees.
They were also muslim, but yet they were primarily women, children and the old.

The gender of the minors is really not of any importance to me. Sorry about that. I'm also rather bemused by how you managed to determine how I form my views on refugees, but let's just say that you're not winning any prizes for special insights there.

AnGaelach

alastair wrote: »

The gender of the minors is really not of any importance to me.

Their age, legitimacy and culture doesn't seem to be either. So what is important to you, exactly?

alastair

AnGaelach wrote: »

Because the bleeding heart buffoons have been intentionally rewarding deceit and illegality since this crisis started. Encouraging hundreds of thousands of make a dangerous trip by refusing to bar them entry. Encouraging the human traffickers to continue operating by sending vessels to rescue migrants and then taking them to Europe instead of returning them back. By (in Sweden at least) telling police to just accept any claim of being a child so long as the man doesn't look older than 40. By covering up crimes committed by groups for fear of a "right-wing backlash".

You seem a little confused about the responsibilities and obligations involved in asylum law. It's not 'bleeding heart buffooons' that enforce the obligation to review asylum applications - it's the application of the law. It's not an option to return refugees to Libya - it's once again a matter of adhereing to the law. So in a choice of letting people drown, or bringing them to Italy, what's your call? Nobody is covering up any crimes btw.

alastair

AnGaelach wrote: »

Their age, legitimacy and culture doesn't seem to be either.

What leads you to believe that? Other than projection?