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El Presidente Trump

Kermit.de.frog

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

F**k

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A Battered Mars Bar

I love the way everyone is reacting to this as though it affect's them lol. Morons. Well done Trump!!!!

Also, I believe the people of Clare should now formally apologise to the president of the United States of America for being small minded d*cks when he came to his hotel few months back.

Embarrassing that people from Clare embarrassed our country and set back relations with the president over their inflated sense of importance. As if they matter in Ireland let alone the world lol.

Donal55

wonderfullife wrote: »

You've no clue what you're talking about.

I've got friends and relatives who have been living and working in the USA since the recession of the 1980s, one has kids and is still not a legal citizen.

There are people of Muslim faith who are now petrified they'll be targeted for abuse and deportation. You're going to have many American-born citizens of Muslim faith being told in school, in work and otherwise that they should be deported.

You're going to have people in the LGBT community petrified because Trump is anti-gay marriage.

People in crisis pregnancies will be petrified as Trump is anti-abortion.

For these people, the fear and anxiety is extremely real. Mental health is very important. Can you even imagine being a refugee from Syria living in America right now? Can you imagine being an illegal Mexican or Irish immigrant living in the country for 30 or 40 years with a family?

They are all (rightly) petrified and yes some people will take their own lives rather than face being deported to war-zones or split from their family.

There's nothing wrong with the Polls or Pollsters, as you said.

The issue, as Jake Tapper alluded to on CNN, is the "leaners".

A leaner is someone who leans in close to you and whispers "don't tell anybody but i'm actually going to vote Trump".

A huge % of his support were ashamed to admit to voting for a misogynist, xenophobe but were so disillusioned with the Clinton style of same-again politics in Washington.

It speaks volumes that people were ashamed to admit they were voting for a candidate but that's the single biggest reasons the Polls got it so wrong.

Donald Trump is a danger to the world right now. He's going to let Israel do whatever the hell they want in the Middle East. Fact. That's going to be the biggest single danger to world peace and i fully expect the next 4 years to unravel into chaos, both in America and globally.

That's without even getting into domestic economic policy, ties with Putin and the rest. Today is a day for many Americans to feel very afraid and i don't think the world should be laughing either.

They just elected a man with the willful passivity to allow Israel and Russia to land-grab across the Middle East and Eastern Europe.

I don't disagree with anything you say but to put it in context, your post illustrates how very poor Clinton was as a candidate.

bodhrandude

So the inauguration is on 20th January I see.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trumps-inauguration-president-what-9223960

railer201

A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I love the way everyone is reacting to this as though it affect's them lol. Morons. Well done Trump!!!!

Also, I believe the people of Clare should now formally apologise to the president of the United States of America for being small minded d*cks when he came to his hotel few months back.

Embarrassing that people from Clare embarrassed our country and set back relations with the president over their inflated sense of importance. As if they matter in Ireland let alone the world lol.

According to the News tonight 'Trumptown' is set to capitalise big time on his presidency, and oddly enough I hear work will be starting on the 'wall' there. He employs 200 people at the hotel.

TheOven

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

A lot of Trump Supporters are idiots.

Nothing wrong with calling idiots idiots.

It is ok now, it is just called being un-PC. They love that **** so you can call them idiots all day and they'll love it, except for the hypocrites but well, then they are really proving to be idiots.

One_Of_Shanks

A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I believe the people of Clare should now formally apologise to the president of the United States of America for being small minded d*cks when he came to his hotel few months back.

Embarrassing that people from Clare embarrassed our country and set back relations with the president over their inflated sense of importance. As if they matter in Ireland let alone the world lol.

Sounds like you're more upset about it than anyone else.

Skommando

Two faced slimy Enda wasn't long crawling to Trump as soon as he was elected.

Depp

not his biggest fan but classy stuff from obama! skip forward to around 9 minutes in for it to start

Skommando

TheOven wrote: »

It is ok now, it is just called being un-PC.

"Politically correct" - sounds like some kind of servant to someone else's politics and power games

mansize

Depp wrote: »

funny part is its more or less exactly them that caused this...turns out talking down to people and insisting that they are dumb for not liking one candidate alienates a lot of people, whod have thunk it?

That's my point

Manic Moran

Shelga wrote: »

Why doesn't the US elect their president based on the popular vote? Is it to make the result more of a 'sure thing' and avoid the chaos of having to recount every vote nationally in the event of a close race?

This question belies a common misunderstanding as to the very nature of the US as a country. The US is closer to a federation like the EU than a single state body like Ireland, fifty independent peers of equal dignity and worth. The Electors elect the "President of the United STATES" (Obviously, my emphasis) and not "President of the People of the Fifty UNITED States" (Again, my emphasis).

The idea today is to keep the rural areas important. I believe in Ireland there is already some concern about how Dublin politics tends to run the country.

Now, imagine you are a candidate in the US, you have time for one rally. You can hold it in Los Angeles, and every man from five miles around comes to hear you. You can reach out to 4 million people. You hold one in Indianapolis, every man from five miles around comes to hear you. You can reach out to 500,000 people. Why would any politician ever both with Indiana? Why would they ever wonder what the concerns are of a farmer in Kansas? The urban areas have weight: It's why California's worth so many more times than Alaska. But it's no so much weight that the majority of the equal states can be ignored. Wisconsin got ignored by Clinton this campaign, the first time in decades a major candidate didn't visit. I guess either they didn't like being taken for granted, or like being ignored.

How often do they change the number of electoral college votes a state has? For example, if there was a mass exodus from California to Wyoming (:pac:), when would this be reflected in the number of college votes afforded to each state?

The US has a census every ten years. Electoral college votes are equal to the amount of congressmen a State has in the House, so both get adjusted regularly.

phater phagan wrote: »

There really are two Americas - one with people who have reasonable values and generally live in the cities, and another with people who hold extreme views and who think nothing of using violence to achieve their goals. It is those latter kind who support Trump. I worry for the future with him in such a powerful position, and hope that cooler heads will rein him in.

Oh, rubbish. The 'reasonable' city-dwellers about five miles from me are having a riot. Literally. Oakland has cancelled all leave for its police. http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/11/09/donald-trump-president-elect-protests-oakland-bay-area/

[Deleted User]

I've decided to be positive about this appointment as complaining won't do anything for me. I really do hope that he contributes positively both to American society and to the world. I hope his appointment changes America for the better in that ALL politicians start to think differently about those who elect them.

It's a lesson for Ireland too. If Brexit can happen, if President Trump can happen, then what could happen in Ireland? Let's start getting our own house in order and learn from this experience.

[Deleted User]

So, how will all this affect the price of houses in Dublin?

That's my principal economic concern. Not as much as if FG increased housing supply, I suspect.

More generally, the Anglo-American world is imploding, and we need to minimise the contagion on Ireland from these self-defeating rightwing clowns.

Our governments should have chosen Berlin over Boston. We'll be paying heavily for this.

tayto lover

A clown in a circus is always preferred to the ringmaster.

Skommando

phater phagan wrote: »

There really are two Americas - one with people who have reasonable values and generally live in the cities

??? yep no crime or scumbags in the cites at all.

Donal55

There's another nut in Berlin also with her own crazy delusions.

retro:electro

A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I love the way everyone is reacting to this as though it affect's them lol. Morons. Well done Trump!!!!

Also, I believe the people of Clare should now formally apologise to the president of the United States of America for being small minded d*cks when he came to his hotel few months back.

Embarrassing that people from Clare embarrassed our country and set back relations with the president over their inflated sense of importance. As if they matter in Ireland let alone the world lol.

People don't have to be directly affected to feel saddened by the decision. Do you always view monumental movements/ episodes through such a selfish and inconsiderate lens? Moron.

Hans Bricks

Depp wrote: »

really believe a lot of people will be embarrassed by their histrionics in a year or two

Today really brought out the wet-the-beds didn't it ? Never mind actual American citizens who will be affected by his policies, but Irish people scaremongering in social media rants as part of an insufferably sanctimonious bandwagon. The Clinton victory party crying over another republican buffoon getting elected to office. Imagine Ronald Reagan was born twenty five or thirty years later than he was and we were still in the Cold war era and he just announced his Star Wars plans ? The Bushes and their two Gulf Wars anyone ? World didn't turn to ash as far as I'm aware.

This egomaniac and his obviously daft "wall" proposals. Promotional bluster to appeal to the deep south and Midwest voters. People on both sides of the Atlantic really need to take stock and get a grip of themselves. I actually got a great laugh out of the whole thing.

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

So, how will all this affect the price of houses in Dublin?

That's my principal economic concern. Not as much as if FG increased housing supply, I suspect.

More generally, the Anglo-American world is imploding, and we need to minimise the contagion on Ireland from these self-defeating rightwing clowns.

Our governments should have chosen Berlin over Boston. We'll be paying heavily for this.

Your concern for your house prices isn't right wing at all...

infogiver

unplayable wrote: »

Great speech by Hilary imho very well written

Very gracious, no self pity at all, stoic and positive
And I'm a fan of neither the victor or the vanquished

Cheerful Spring

You have to be an idiot to think hes presidency will be good. Trump is a tough guy hes not going to back off when a country does something he does not like. Just prepare the bunker.

Depp

also have to say that at this point, while I feel the right decision was made overall, as the evening wears on the ridiculousness of the situation is beginning to set in. this is where what we have got from the dnc's incistence on ''their girl'' when almost any of the other candidates in the dnc race would have beaten trump in a landslide. the democratic party as a whole should be ashamed of the shady sh!t they got up to in the race for the nomination and the choice they forced the voters to make.

Ulysses Gaze

mansize wrote: »

Your concern for your house prices isn't right wing at all...

A lot of Middle Class Socialists care about house prices too you know...

wonderfullife

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Today really brought out the wet-the-beds didn't it ? Never mind actual American citizens who will be affected by his policies, but Irish people scaremongering in social media rants as part of an insufferably sanctimonious bandwagon.

If you're happy to just worry about your own job and your own family, then sure it probably doesn't affect Ireland directly for at least 12-18 months. A combination of dominos from the Brexit negotiation and Trumps agenda may very well affect Ireland directly in the future.

Take that aside, if you can't see the obvious risk re: Israel, then you're deluded. Obama was the first President in a long time to basically drop unilateral support for Israel.

They are throwing parties over in Israel and ISIS are throwing parties too. Traditionally the only way illegal settlements into Palestinian territory have been stopped is by political pressure from America and the U.N.

Trump couldn't give a monkeys if Israel land-grabbed half of Palestine and built a huge wall.

That's going to incite increasing cycles of conflict, terrorist recruitment and increase in terrorism incidents. That could affect any of us directly or indirectly in the near future.

Meh. I don't think the world will stop turning but people being blasé and nonchalant about this won't be so blasé in 2 years when it's all turned to complete sh1t (worse than now).

robindch

mansize wrote: »

Ah the people-who-know-Betters

Huh? I am pointing out the simple, if sad, mathematical fact that 50% of any population is dumber on any given issue than the other 50%.

That said, it is difficult to know how to reply to people who believe it's a good idea to a rage-filled, sociopathic sexual predator access to nuclear weapons - especially if the reason seems to be nothing more than a fleeting wish to spite others.

A bit more respect all around, particular from DT, would go a long way. But I suspect it's too late for that now.

Ulysses Gaze

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Today really brought out the wet-the-beds didn't it ? Never mind actual American citizens who will be affected by his policies, but Irish people scaremongering in social media rants as part of an insufferably sanctimonious bandwagon. The Clinton victory party crying over another republican buffoon getting elected to office. Imagine Ronald Reagan was born twenty five or thirty years later than he was and we were still in the Cold war era and he just announced his Star Wars plans ? The Bushes and their two Gulf Wars anyone ? World didn't turn to ash as far as I'm aware.

This egomaniac and his obviously daft "wall" proposals. Promotional bluster to appeal to the deep south and Midwest voters. People on both sides of the Atlantic really need to take stock and get a grip of themselves. I actually got a great laugh out of the whole thing.

If Trump drops the corpo tax rate in the US from the 35% it is currently to 15% then it will effect the Ireland.

LordSutch

I'm going to put up a wall to keep out all the bad hombres, mark my words folks, illegal Mexicans will be kept out, Hillary will be locked up and Muslims will be erased from our country. I will make America Great again, our economy will flourish, our once great steel industry will be reborn, I will reopen many of the coal mines which were illegally closed down, we will increase employment tenfold, poor people will be a thing of the past, sick people will be made better, blind people will see Hillary for the crook she was, and global warming will be banned. Mark my words folks, change is coming down the tracks . . . .

...or words to that effect.

infogiver

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The AAA aren't happy with the result it seems, well anything that pisses off Coppinger makes my evening.

Cheered me up no end this evening God help me

doolox

...or a Blast of the TRUMPet against the monstrous regiment of women.

Look up Scottish reformation religious leader John Knox and his pamphlet against the Scottish Queen Mary, who ended up being ejected from Scotland and being executed by her cousin Queen Elizabeth of England.

In spite of testimony against the Donald which would have destroyed a lesser man, he wins the campaign.

Either the victims of his alleged lechery were not believed or enough women did not care or hated Hillary more than they hated Trump.

Mister Vain

I was delighted he got elected. As bad as he is, I think Hilary is worse.