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El Presidente Trump

Kermit.de.frog

It's happened folks. You are only waking up but it has happened. A genuine unstable idiot has become president of the US.

I will be asleep as you wake. But I will wake too and I will also think of the consequences and wonder is it a dream:eek:

It's not a dream.

It's real.

F**k

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infogiver

unplayable wrote: »

Great speech by Hilary imho very well written

Very gracious, no self pity at all, stoic and positive
And I'm a fan of neither the victor or the vanquished

mansize

Deleted User wrote: »

So, how will all this affect the price of houses in Dublin?

That's my principal economic concern. Not as much as if FG increased housing supply, I suspect.

More generally, the Anglo-American world is imploding, and we need to minimise the contagion on Ireland from these self-defeating rightwing clowns.

Our governments should have chosen Berlin over Boston. We'll be paying heavily for this.

Your concern for your house prices isn't right wing at all...

Hans Bricks

Depp wrote: »

really believe a lot of people will be embarrassed by their histrionics in a year or two

Today really brought out the wet-the-beds didn't it ? Never mind actual American citizens who will be affected by his policies, but Irish people scaremongering in social media rants as part of an insufferably sanctimonious bandwagon. The Clinton victory party crying over another republican buffoon getting elected to office. Imagine Ronald Reagan was born twenty five or thirty years later than he was and we were still in the Cold war era and he just announced his Star Wars plans ? The Bushes and their two Gulf Wars anyone ? World didn't turn to ash as far as I'm aware.

This egomaniac and his obviously daft "wall" proposals. Promotional bluster to appeal to the deep south and Midwest voters. People on both sides of the Atlantic really need to take stock and get a grip of themselves. I actually got a great laugh out of the whole thing.

retro:electro

A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I love the way everyone is reacting to this as though it affect's them lol. Morons. Well done Trump!!!!

Also, I believe the people of Clare should now formally apologise to the president of the United States of America for being small minded d*cks when he came to his hotel few months back.

Embarrassing that people from Clare embarrassed our country and set back relations with the president over their inflated sense of importance. As if they matter in Ireland let alone the world lol.

People don't have to be directly affected to feel saddened by the decision. Do you always view monumental movements/ episodes through such a selfish and inconsiderate lens? Moron.

Donal55

There's another nut in Berlin also with her own crazy delusions.

Skommando

phater phagan wrote: »

There really are two Americas - one with people who have reasonable values and generally live in the cities

??? yep no crime or scumbags in the cites at all.

tayto lover

A clown in a circus is always preferred to the ringmaster.

[Deleted User]

So, how will all this affect the price of houses in Dublin?

That's my principal economic concern. Not as much as if FG increased housing supply, I suspect.

More generally, the Anglo-American world is imploding, and we need to minimise the contagion on Ireland from these self-defeating rightwing clowns.

Our governments should have chosen Berlin over Boston. We'll be paying heavily for this.

[Deleted User]

I've decided to be positive about this appointment as complaining won't do anything for me. I really do hope that he contributes positively both to American society and to the world. I hope his appointment changes America for the better in that ALL politicians start to think differently about those who elect them.

It's a lesson for Ireland too. If Brexit can happen, if President Trump can happen, then what could happen in Ireland? Let's start getting our own house in order and learn from this experience.

Manic Moran

Shelga wrote: »

Why doesn't the US elect their president based on the popular vote? Is it to make the result more of a 'sure thing' and avoid the chaos of having to recount every vote nationally in the event of a close race?

This question belies a common misunderstanding as to the very nature of the US as a country. The US is closer to a federation like the EU than a single state body like Ireland, fifty independent peers of equal dignity and worth. The Electors elect the "President of the United STATES" (Obviously, my emphasis) and not "President of the People of the Fifty UNITED States" (Again, my emphasis).

The idea today is to keep the rural areas important. I believe in Ireland there is already some concern about how Dublin politics tends to run the country.

Now, imagine you are a candidate in the US, you have time for one rally. You can hold it in Los Angeles, and every man from five miles around comes to hear you. You can reach out to 4 million people. You hold one in Indianapolis, every man from five miles around comes to hear you. You can reach out to 500,000 people. Why would any politician ever both with Indiana? Why would they ever wonder what the concerns are of a farmer in Kansas? The urban areas have weight: It's why California's worth so many more times than Alaska. But it's no so much weight that the majority of the equal states can be ignored. Wisconsin got ignored by Clinton this campaign, the first time in decades a major candidate didn't visit. I guess either they didn't like being taken for granted, or like being ignored.

How often do they change the number of electoral college votes a state has? For example, if there was a mass exodus from California to Wyoming (:pac:), when would this be reflected in the number of college votes afforded to each state?

The US has a census every ten years. Electoral college votes are equal to the amount of congressmen a State has in the House, so both get adjusted regularly.

phater phagan wrote: »

There really are two Americas - one with people who have reasonable values and generally live in the cities, and another with people who hold extreme views and who think nothing of using violence to achieve their goals. It is those latter kind who support Trump. I worry for the future with him in such a powerful position, and hope that cooler heads will rein him in.

Oh, rubbish. The 'reasonable' city-dwellers about five miles from me are having a riot. Literally. Oakland has cancelled all leave for its police. http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/11/09/donald-trump-president-elect-protests-oakland-bay-area/

mansize

Depp wrote: »

funny part is its more or less exactly them that caused this...turns out talking down to people and insisting that they are dumb for not liking one candidate alienates a lot of people, whod have thunk it?

That's my point

Skommando

TheOven wrote: »

It is ok now, it is just called being un-PC.

"Politically correct" - sounds like some kind of servant to someone else's politics and power games

Depp

not his biggest fan but classy stuff from obama! skip forward to around 9 minutes in for it to start

Skommando

Two faced slimy Enda wasn't long crawling to Trump as soon as he was elected.

One_Of_Shanks

A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I believe the people of Clare should now formally apologise to the president of the United States of America for being small minded d*cks when he came to his hotel few months back.

Embarrassing that people from Clare embarrassed our country and set back relations with the president over their inflated sense of importance. As if they matter in Ireland let alone the world lol.

Sounds like you're more upset about it than anyone else.

TheOven

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

A lot of Trump Supporters are idiots.

Nothing wrong with calling idiots idiots.

It is ok now, it is just called being un-PC. They love that **** so you can call them idiots all day and they'll love it, except for the hypocrites but well, then they are really proving to be idiots.

railer201

A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I love the way everyone is reacting to this as though it affect's them lol. Morons. Well done Trump!!!!

Also, I believe the people of Clare should now formally apologise to the president of the United States of America for being small minded d*cks when he came to his hotel few months back.

Embarrassing that people from Clare embarrassed our country and set back relations with the president over their inflated sense of importance. As if they matter in Ireland let alone the world lol.

According to the News tonight 'Trumptown' is set to capitalise big time on his presidency, and oddly enough I hear work will be starting on the 'wall' there. He employs 200 people at the hotel.

bodhrandude

So the inauguration is on 20th January I see.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trumps-inauguration-president-what-9223960

Donal55

wonderfullife wrote: »

You've no clue what you're talking about.

I've got friends and relatives who have been living and working in the USA since the recession of the 1980s, one has kids and is still not a legal citizen.

There are people of Muslim faith who are now petrified they'll be targeted for abuse and deportation. You're going to have many American-born citizens of Muslim faith being told in school, in work and otherwise that they should be deported.

You're going to have people in the LGBT community petrified because Trump is anti-gay marriage.

People in crisis pregnancies will be petrified as Trump is anti-abortion.

For these people, the fear and anxiety is extremely real. Mental health is very important. Can you even imagine being a refugee from Syria living in America right now? Can you imagine being an illegal Mexican or Irish immigrant living in the country for 30 or 40 years with a family?

They are all (rightly) petrified and yes some people will take their own lives rather than face being deported to war-zones or split from their family.

There's nothing wrong with the Polls or Pollsters, as you said.

The issue, as Jake Tapper alluded to on CNN, is the "leaners".

A leaner is someone who leans in close to you and whispers "don't tell anybody but i'm actually going to vote Trump".

A huge % of his support were ashamed to admit to voting for a misogynist, xenophobe but were so disillusioned with the Clinton style of same-again politics in Washington.

It speaks volumes that people were ashamed to admit they were voting for a candidate but that's the single biggest reasons the Polls got it so wrong.

Donald Trump is a danger to the world right now. He's going to let Israel do whatever the hell they want in the Middle East. Fact. That's going to be the biggest single danger to world peace and i fully expect the next 4 years to unravel into chaos, both in America and globally.

That's without even getting into domestic economic policy, ties with Putin and the rest. Today is a day for many Americans to feel very afraid and i don't think the world should be laughing either.

They just elected a man with the willful passivity to allow Israel and Russia to land-grab across the Middle East and Eastern Europe.

I don't disagree with anything you say but to put it in context, your post illustrates how very poor Clinton was as a candidate.

A Battered Mars Bar

I love the way everyone is reacting to this as though it affect's them lol. Morons. Well done Trump!!!!

Also, I believe the people of Clare should now formally apologise to the president of the United States of America for being small minded d*cks when he came to his hotel few months back.

Embarrassing that people from Clare embarrassed our country and set back relations with the president over their inflated sense of importance. As if they matter in Ireland let alone the world lol.

listermint

jmayo wrote: »

Yep they are all racists.

But could you please explain how Mid West rust belt states (Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Iowa) that actually backed a black man for president, twice even, are now racist because they backed Trump ?

Feckin hell I guess you would say they are, you know, slow and thick :rolleyes:

It took over 8 years to sink in that they were racists.
They mustn't have noticed Obama was actually black when they voted for him twice :eek:

If the only answer some people can find for why people voted for Trump is white man racism, then really it does reinforce how idiotic and myopic one side has become.

I suppose it is the same answer as to why 20% of black people voted for him or 20% of Latinos voted for him.
They must be racists like the 42% of women are sexist.

Same percentages voted for Romney though... so, its not like they turned.

It has been the mis-selling of Obamas healthcare that has many middle states changing their voting. It was being derided left right and centre that healthcare for all is bad. Many antagonists selling it as 'communism' and 'socialism' you know all things bad.....

Hilarious that it big Pharma that was paying for this messaging.

Big business controlling the mantra through their groups and their controlled senators.

Its hilarious irony all the same.

bnt

Documentary filmmaker Michael Moore is considered a "lefty liberal", but 3 weeks ago he predicted the election outcome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEHekdQSiXg

railer201

robindch wrote: »

Unfortunately, idiots have exactly the same kind of votes which much smarter people have.

As Churchill once said:

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." -

That's the way democracy works but there's always an elite who think they know what's good for the masses, so thank God for democracy.

Depp

really believe a lot of people will be embarrassed by their histrionics in a year or two

wonderfullife

_Jamie_ wrote: »

Gutted Trump won but an American girl I know posted numbers to suicide hotlines on her Facebook wall today in response to the election results. That is just daft and histrionic.

You've no clue what you're talking about.

I've got friends and relatives who have been living and working in the USA since the recession of the 1980s, one has kids and is still not a legal citizen.

There are people of Muslim faith who are now petrified they'll be targeted for abuse and deportation. You're going to have many American-born citizens of Muslim faith being told in school, in work and otherwise that they should be deported.

You're going to have people in the LGBT community petrified because Trump is anti-gay marriage.

People in crisis pregnancies will be petrified as Trump is anti-abortion.

For these people, the fear and anxiety is extremely real. Mental health is very important. Can you even imagine being a refugee from Syria living in America right now? Can you imagine being an illegal Mexican or Irish immigrant living in the country for 30 or 40 years with a family?

They are all (rightly) petrified and yes some people will take their own lives rather than face being deported to war-zones or split from their family.

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

The Polls got it wrong for Brexit and the GE in the UK back in 2015.

Your second line, I think, gets to the nub of the issue.

People are saying one thing, and voting the other way.

There's nothing wrong with the Polls or Pollsters, as you said.

The issue, as Jake Tapper alluded to on CNN, is the "leaners".

A leaner is someone who leans in close to you and whispers "don't tell anybody but i'm actually going to vote Trump".

A huge % of his support were ashamed to admit to voting for a misogynist, xenophobe but were so disillusioned with the Clinton style of same-again politics in Washington.

It speaks volumes that people were ashamed to admit they were voting for a candidate but that's the single biggest reasons the Polls got it so wrong.

Donald Trump is a danger to the world right now. He's going to let Israel do whatever the hell they want in the Middle East. Fact. That's going to be the biggest single danger to world peace and i fully expect the next 4 years to unravel into chaos, both in America and globally.

That's without even getting into domestic economic policy, ties with Putin and the rest. Today is a day for many Americans to feel very afraid and i don't think the world should be laughing either.

They just elected a man with the willful passivity to allow Israel and Russia to land-grab across the Middle East and Eastern Europe.

Skommando

Could the UK and the USA not do what's done in Ireland ?

Keep making the people vote until they deliver the result the establishment want.

One_Of_Shanks

Sad state of affairs that this fella is now in charge of the "most powerful nation on earth". So much for all the ideals the Americans preach about.
Do people really think a multi-billionaire business-man is the man to represent the little guy? That's the sort of crap he preached and it worked.
How daft to you have to be to actually swallow that nonsense?

And The Mexicans are really going to build a wall now and pay for it themselves? Course they are.

And no, he's not really a sexist or a racist, all those things he said were taken out of context.

He's going to be true to his word and focus on "bringing jobs to America", nevermind all his businesses that outsource to foreign countries, he'll stop all that now because he's not motivated by money.

I don't blame him for all the crap he spouted, good luck to him.

But I'd have a good long look at the intelligence of the people who voted for him.

As for Hillary. She was a poor enough candidate too, to a far lesser extent. But as other posters have correctly said, the people who voted for this fella are actually "idiots".

Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

Depp

the hypocrisy of some people tearing strips out of melania because of her supposed motivations to be married of which they have absolutely zero idea, while only a few hours ago, they were telling us all how sexist the system was...you really have to appreciate irony at a time like this!

happyoutscan

lawlolawl wrote: »

Classy.

But she is.

lawlolawl

sabat wrote: »

Yes that's exactly what I said. She's a hoor; he's a john.

And what is Hillary for staying with Bill to forward her career after he stuck cigars in an intern in the Oval Office?