Johnboy1951 wrote: » Was that not 'open eir' which would imply the fibre will be in place in that time period? I reckon that is not unmanageable.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » Probably a commercially 'safe' strategy ....... if they roll out fibre through 50 towns, and do not get a NBP contract, then they will at least be able to recoup a decent percentage of their outlay by being able to compete in (what I will call) non-rural areas. I would not eliminate them from an NBP contract yet. They can certainly string the fibre out quite quickly ....... how they will manage the connections afterwards though, I have no idea.
damienirel wrote: » Siro didn't grasp the the nettle and aim for rural areas - they missed the point of the NBP...
oscarBravo wrote: » The point of the NBP is to subsidise rural areas that are not commercially viable. It seems a bit strange to criticise a bidder for the NBP for not rolling out a commercial service in the areas that the NBP is designed to cover. It seems particularly strange to criticise them more strongly than enet. At least they're building FTTH networks - enet are better, how?
damienirel wrote: » The nbp is not covering all of rural ireland - eir already has plans to cover the commercially viable parts of rural Ireland
ED E wrote: » Those zones are commercially viable for OpenEir ONLY. They have proximity and save on dismantling POTS.
murphaph wrote: » And I strongly suspect even then it's only because of the NBP and all that taxpayers money that Eir is rolling out preemptively in these areas. I doubt they are commercially viable in their own right.
Allison Puny Appetite wrote: » No doubt that is the case. It also may be the reason why the first 100K are not coming in on time. More subsidies for eir's balance sheet if they delay and win the NBP.
Gonzo wrote: » I reckon Eir have the best intentions to get the 100k finished as quickly as possible, but they started the serious work at least 3 months too late to meet the original March 2017 target due to finishing off the FTTC rollout, also they don't have enough teams on the project. We will only have a handful of exchanges partly live by the new year with many winter 2016 dates slipping into the new year and perhaps spring. However, they announced more jobs back at the ploughing and I think these are meant to start early 2017 so hopefully they will make more serious progress from January. According to their social media they are currently training 800+ maintenance teams to work on the rural rollout so hopefully most of us will see a large scale increase in development from January.
damienirel wrote: » Yes but could have been commercially viable for Siro too, they have access to even more land than open eirs.
ED E wrote: » Its not about access to land, and the wayleave is only for the mains grid. Expansion for SIRO is significantly more expensive.
damienirel wrote: » I never mentioned enet.
damienirel wrote: » Siro are full of more sh1te than Eir and Enet put together.
damienirel wrote: » Rolling out in towns and cities that are already have services seems daft...
...and doesn't do much of the groundwork for what they would have to do if they did win it.
Hence I think they are down as bidders but already have resigned themselves to the fact they won't win it.
damienirel wrote: » I wasn't aware that it was only mains they were allowed to run - don't esb own most of the backbone??
ED E wrote: » ...the wayleave is only for the mains grid.
oscarBravo wrote: » You did: It seems daft to you, because your criteria are different from theirs. You think they should be providing broadband to rural areas. They think they should be making money. If you can convince their shareholders that losing money is a good idea, go for it. Of course it does. The processes and technologies are exactly the same in every respect: use existing electricity infrastructure to bring fibre to premises. They're doing a commercial rollout in places where the density means that the cost per passed house is commercially feasible. The only difference in rural areas is that the costs are higher, so they'd need gap funding to make it commercially viable. Believe me: they most certainly have not.
ED E wrote: » SIRO arent using ESB telecom. Its falling back to Vodafone/buying from others. And Eir have 10,000 "reach nodes" in the form of VDSL cabs while ESBs reach is only as far as the 10kV stations at best without lots more work.
Allison Puny Appetite wrote: » As of today they have 1.12% of the 100K premises passed eight months into a twelve month rollout. I don't believe they could have gotten it so spectacularly wrong by accident. The FTTC project was well mature at this stage. Surely they knew what manpower was available where when making the 100K announcement. It was made when it was believed that the NBP contract(s) were to be awarded mid 2017. There has since been at least one if not two NBP delays and coincidentally or not Openeir's rollout has also been delayed. Perhaps I am overly cynical but I believe that all the operators would want to spend as little as possible of their own money on the NBP so the more premises included in the intervention area the better for their bottom line.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » It will be interesting to see how they progress. It does seem that they will not meet their declared first target with the 100K premises, but I would not be at all surprised if they did the 300K by the new target date.
damienirel wrote: » Selling ftth where there is 0 competition would seem a better option long term for investors?
511 wrote: » There's no profit to be made in those areas. The cost of leasing out land for telephone polls and pylons, along with maintenance and manpower, outweighs the income generated by customers - hence the reason why there's no competition there.
Gonzo wrote: » When I say wired up I mean premises lines wired, not actual connections as those have to be ordered by the customer.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » I am unsure what you mean here ........ the fibre will not be taken into a house/building unless a connection is requested, as I understand it.
Gonzo wrote: » yep that's it. When open eir mention lines passed they mean the line is capable of receiving FTTH, the internet connection inside the premises will still be copper based until the customer then orders FTTH. But having your line wired up outside means your good to go and order FTTH, and that's what's most important to most people. Even tho some work has happened in my area, it's not ready and it's not wired up so I can't do anything untill my line is live. There is no guarantee that my line will go live when the exchange does unless the work is fully finished on my road.
digiman wrote: » You have to give Eir social media team huge credit here, they have stopped their 66 town FTTH rollout, almost a year behind on their March 100k rural FTTH rollout and people here still think they are without a shadow of doubt the best people to build a rural broadband network. The only thing they have successfully done to date is rollout a fibre to the press release!! FTTPR I think the best outcome is a region each for Eir and Siro. One winner for the whole thing would be bad for the country I think if either was to get it all. You need to be able to play both of each other and if one is failing you have another company who is already in a rural rollout phase and could potentially take over. It seems that the department decision to ignore all these numbers from Eir to date was a really good move.
Johnboy1951 wrote: » Again we seem to be at cross purposes .......... I have a copper line on which I get "broadband" and phone services. This line will not be connected to, or used, WHEN/IF I get a FTTH connection into my home. The fibre will be a completely separate connection. I will receive that connection ONLY if I order it, AFTER I have been 'passed' by the fibre roll out.
