Butters1979 wrote: » The same people in here claiming there is a rape culture in the country and making up bullsh1t stories are in the multiculturalism thread trying to argue that sure only a proportion of Muslim immigrants are rapists so we're all racist if we don't want to let in thousands of them. You don't know what you're talking about and you don't know what you want except to play victim and feel like some fighter for truth and justice. Delusional.
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » It mixes the gene pool and provides diversity, increasing the chances of reproductive success. Since always.
infogiver wrote: » Point out to me where promiscuity has ever been a positive trait
silverharp wrote: » so why are the most sexually liberal countries like Germany not making babies? "reproductive success" is going south
osmiumartist wrote: » They're doing pretty well for themselves though aren't they? Places with the most repressive sex laws tend to be poor ass dumps.
Butters1979 wrote: » Except for all the rapes and sexual assaults.
CaptainInsano wrote: » Joe.ie seem to have given up on posting pictures of women in bikinis and become champions for women's rights over night. Whatever is trendy I suppose .
ash23 wrote: » If four out of ten women are experiencing sexual assault then how can we say there isn't a problem? If only a fraction of those women report it then how can we say there isn't a problem? If a tiny fraction of the reported cases go to court, again, how can we ignore the problem? And of the tiny % that do get to court and are convicted then get a lenient sentence, isn't that also a problem? I've been sexually assaulted although I didn't realise it at the time. I blamed myself for being in a situation. I'd slept with him before so who'd believe me? He didn't rape me but he did assault me while I was asleep. Now, he was a normal guy. Nice enough. I'd wanted a relationship with him at one point and we'd slept together a few times. Saw him at a party, we had a kiss. I fell asleep in a room and awoke to his fingers inside me and my clothes removed. So I excused myself to the bathroom, rang a taxi and got out of there. Never saw or heard from him again. "Normal" men assault women and don't even realise they're doing it sometimes. How can they when sometimes the women themselves struggle to label it assault. I was 20. I know I was upset when it happened and shaken. I went home and cried but I blamed myself for not going home, for kissing him, for getting drunk. I could've gone to the guards but really, why bother? He wasn't going to be punished. People saw me with him. Kissing him. So I suppose I am one of the four in ten. If four in ten women are being assaulted and raped, do we really believe that it's being done by a tiny percentage of the population? Is it scary to think that maybe still some men don't know where to draw the line? Shouldn't we be able to continue having that discussion and drawing clear lines in the sand about consent and what it is and what it means? Because I don't believe that a tiny fraction of men are responsible for all the sexual assaults and rapes. The figures are just too high.
cloudatlas wrote: » How does it land men in prison? Please explain what you think rape culture is?
ash23 wrote: » Now, he was a normal guy. Nice enough. I'd wanted a relationship with him at one point and we'd slept together a few times. Saw him at a party, we had a kiss. I fell asleep in a room and awoke to his fingers inside me and my clothes removed. So I excused myself to the bathroom, rang a taxi and got out of there. Never saw or heard from him again.
Sweetemotion wrote: » No he wasn't just a normal guy, he sexually assaulted you. I consider myself a normal guy my brother a normal guy and my father a normal and I can't see them doing anything like that. Should I look at my brother and father as potential rapists just because "they are normal guys"?
ash23 wrote: » I've been sexually assaulted although I didn't realise it at the time. I blamed myself for being in a situation. I'd slept with him before so who'd believe me? He didn't rape me but he did assault me while I was asleep. Now, he was a normal guy. Nice enough. I'd wanted a relationship with him at one point and we'd slept together a few times. Saw him at a party, we had a kiss. I fell asleep in a room and awoke to his fingers inside me and my clothes removed. So I excused myself to the bathroom, rang a taxi and got out of there. Never saw or heard from him again. "Normal" men assault women and don't even realise they're doing it sometimes. How can they when sometimes the women themselves struggle to label it assault. I was 20. I know I was upset when it happened and shaken. I went home and cried but I blamed myself for not going home, for kissing him, for getting drunk. I could've gone to the guards but really, why bother? He wasn't going to be punished. People saw me with him. Kissing him. So I suppose I am one of the four in ten. If four in ten women are being assaulted and raped, do we really believe that it's being done by a tiny percentage of the population?
ash23 wrote: » I don't look at all men as potential rapists so I certainly don't think everyone should. I have a partner, a brother, a father. I'm not for a second suggesting that every man is a potential rapists but equally we can't dismiss the research showing that such a huge number of women are assaulted and raped. So there is clearly a fraction of men out there who don't understand consent or don't see what they are doing as serious enough to get into trouble over. And with it being so difficult to actually prosecute those men then shouldn't society start hammering home the point instead of ignoring it or pretending it isn't a problem? We talk about drink driving, about insurance fraud or benefit fraud. I see those topics discussed and read about them and I don't take it personally or assume that it means everyone drinks and drives or claims fraudulently etc. I take it that a sector of society do and as it's not possible to catch them all there's an onus on society to teach and talk and discuss and stand up against it or report it. I don't understand why the topic is always met with such resistance.
In 2001 a major nationwide survey, which interviewed 3120 adults in depth, was undertaken on behalf of the Dublin Rape Crisis Centre (The SAVI Report, McGee et al, 2002, The Liffey Press). This research discovered that 13% of Irish women and 5 % of Irish men have experienced rape or attempted rape over their lifetime. One in three women and one in five men have experienced contact sexual abuse as a child or adult, or in some cases both.
Findings: 20 per cent of girls and 16 per cent boys in Ireland experience contact sexual abuse in childhood. 42 per cent of women and 28 per cent of men experienced some form of sexual abuse or assault in their lifetime. 24 per cent of perpetrators of sexual violence against adult women are partners or former partners. 1 per cent of men and 8 per cent of women reported their experience of sexual violence to An Garda Síochána. 47 per cent of those reporting abuse in SAVI had never told anybody. Alcohol was involved in almost half of the cases of sexual assault that occurred as an adult. Of those that reported that alcohol was involved, both parties were drinking in 57 per cent of cases concerning abuse of women, and in 63 per cent of cases concerning abuse of men. Where only one party was drinking, the perpetrator was the one drinking in the majority of cases (84 per cent of female and 70 per cent of male abuse cases).
ligerdub wrote: » Her premise is to place more to total emphasis on the word of the accuser, and a restriction to zero credence to the accused. That is a line which will land innocent men in prison, or if not that, the ruining of their reputation. Sh*t sticks and all that. I'm sure we're all familiar with the game theory matrix concept and how something like this is just fodder for opportunists lumped in with genuine victims. It's a disgraceful line that O'Neill is peddling.
ash23 wrote: » Figure was on the programme. It was also mentioned that 20% of people contacting the rape crisis centre were men. Some links here from a quick Google search. I haven't read them all.http://www.drcc.ie/get-help-and-information/facts-and-info-about-sexual-violence-and-rape/ Details from SAVI reporthttp://www.cosc.ie/en/COSC/Pages/WP08000146
Widdershins wrote: » That should be 13% of those surveyed, not 13% of Irish women. It's a bit misleading otherwise.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Are you serious? Have you been to a party where things turned ugly, sex, violence, drugs etc? Not sure if it needs spelling out, but will do. The fellows who were there denied it. Obviously enough...did you think they'd turn themselves in? The friend I have in the group, who was allegedly one of the witnesses, tells me he was downstairs and knew something bad was happening, and regrets not going upstairs to intervene. The Gardai say it definitely happened, but the victim wouldn't go further.
ash23 wrote: » So I suppose I am one of the four in ten. If four in ten women are being assaulted and raped, do we really believe that it's being done by a tiny percentage of the population?
