SG1 : 8x20 Moebius Part 2

NeoSlicerZ

So, what did you all think of this? Kind of anti-climactic imo.. but rather good heh.

MrVestek

Hang on a minute, there's a Stargate on Sonic The Hedgehog's home planet?!

bizmark

It was ok

twas quite good i like the little disagreement about the gateships name

Ivan

It was good!

It was great, but could have been better. Looks like it was obviously meant to end the show.

sutty

It was good!

I really liked it my-self.. I also cracked my-self up with the Gate-ship bit.

secret_squirrel

It sucked more than mutant x

Humour was great ..but actual ep kinda sucked tbh. All the build up of the first episode down the drain. Kinda looked like an episode that had been cut from 1.5 hours to 1 hr. The sudden fix of the timeline was a bit abrupt. Personally it would have been much better if we had seen the revolt against RA in a huge blood and guts finale.

Seed

It was ok

secret_squirrel wrote:

Humour was great ..but actual ep kinda sucked tbh. All the build up of the first episode down the drain. Kinda looked like an episode that had been cut from 1.5 hours to 1 hr. The sudden fix of the timeline was a bit abrupt. Personally it would have been much better if we had seen the revolt against RA in a huge blood and guts finale.

Aye, they've been doing that a bit lately. It's nice but at the same time you feel let down cause it builds you up and lets you down. Overall, good episode. But if they're going to build us up for a big battle. Then they should give us a big battle. *whines*

User45701

It was good!

ye but the big season battle was in the reconeking parts 1 and 2 that was the season big battle

great episode this as reley enjoyed it but earth dont have a zpm anymore i suppose they dont need 1 as much now but still nice to have 1

EDIT: i reley expected a furling appearence in this episode i dont know why it seemed to make sence cause all the other stories are more less done with for now

norbert64

Again, was Xpecting a big battle too, or maybe summit extra besides, Ooo, they take back the Gateship, & then cut to proper timeline SG1 team, episode ends, HUH?

Ditto on the Gateship name, sorry to all the SGA fans but Puddle Jumper, it aint really military, is it.

ixoy

It was ok

Agreed it was a bit anti-climatic. It was going well but they did their usual trick of suddenly seeming to cut out the big climax and leaping to the end. I can only imagine it's a budget issue, especially after 'Reckoning'. I know technically we don't need to see the end because that version of SG1 just end up living and dying in the past but still...

Also couldn't they have doubled their chances by unburying the original timeship and battling Ra with 2 GateShips? And couldn't they have then buried both GateShips, made a 3rd timeline and got a third ship and keep building them up until they've a batallion?

On the +ve side the humour was good and it was great to see Kawalsky again. This episode really worked if you had seen Season 1 with nice throwbacks to "Children of the Gods" and being imprisoned on Chulak. They must stil have some of the sets.

Oh and hats off to AT for acting so well in this as the frumpy AlternateTimelineCarter. She's played a different her 3 times now I think (correct me if I'm wrong) and pulls each off well. And MS get to see Daniel die again

One final note: Closing scene was nice. I thought they were re-hashing "Threads" footage but the little fish skip was kewl. Wonder if anything else is different

User45701

It was good!

ye that fish part was very good

OmegaRed

It was poor

I guess they could have really ended the show here.... So that leads on to season 9 and where to go.... They have to create a brand new story line seeing everything they have worked towards for the past 8 years is wraped up! I though it was only ok but I guess i'm thinking Atlantis season finale! God that was good! O well.....

So now the question.... What to do till then...... We should start getting eps around August? September?

mr_angry

It was poor

I liked the fish remark myself - "Well, close enough". And in some ways, the ending was rather poetic. However, I thought it was really abrupt, and definitely lacked some action. The only firefight we got was on Tulac. That was pretty good, but it came too early in the episode.

Daniel's death as a goa'uld was pretty funny though, as was Jack's explanation to Teal'c about how he knew the goa'uld were false gods. Carter was brilliant too - especially the geeky facial expressions she put on during the course of the episode.

I was surprised how much involvement Richard Dean Andersen had in this series. I heard he was going to be taking a backseat, and that seemed to be apparent when he was made Brigadeer General, but then he ended up taking part in almost every episode, often as the principle character. I'm sure next season will be quite different, but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

toiletduck

It was ok

Thought it was very funny when Jack was about to say he thought Daniel was gay. Good episode, not great.

seamus

It was poor

Yeah, little anti-climactic. Not sure what I was actually expecting though.

I think it all just seemed a little too easy. Suddenly Alternate Jack and Alternate Carter were as good as their real selves, despite not having the 8 years' experience. I Also liked Daniel as Goa'uld, but Alternate Daniel killed and Real Daniel being the only one alive on earth was "Oh, that's a nice coincidence", when clearly they just didn't want to the expense of having two of each character on screen all the time.

The jokes were good, as said, but I dunno, it all seemed a little too sedate.

ixoy

It was ok

seamus wrote:

I Also liked Daniel as Goa'uld, but Alternate Daniel killed and Real Daniel being the only one alive on earth was "Oh, that's a nice coincidence", when clearly they just didn't want to the expense of having two of each character on screen all the time.

Aye. The thing is it imade a kind of sense: Daniel is the least experienced in dealing with weapons so he would have coordinated with the locals and AlternateDaniel, by the same sort of logic, was the right one to torture.

One nice little touch is that when GoauldDaniel came back, he didn't immediately start looking for his glasses despite the fact their equipment had been retured. He was virtually blind without them yet he was able to make the mad dash out. Surprised none of the others picked up on this.

bada_bing

It was poor

ixoy wrote:

Aye. The thing is it imade a kind of sense: Daniel is the least experienced in dealing with weapons so he would have coordinated with the locals and AlternateDaniel, by the same sort of logic, was the right one to torture.

One nice little touch is that when GoauldDaniel came back, he didn't immediately start looking for his glasses despite the fact their equipment had been retured. He was virtually blind without them yet he was able to make the mad dash out. Surprised none of the others picked up on this.

hmm you're very sharp ixoy!!

is it just me or was it the first time an expletive ( sh*t ) was ever uttered on Stargate?? Re: the scene where a go'auld stun bomb hit the alternate SG1 team and jack uttered the expletive. It just really stood out to me that Jack could say 'oh sh*t!' after all those 8 seasons, usually they only ever say crap!

seamus

It was poor

ixoy wrote:

One nice little touch is that when GoauldDaniel came back, he didn't immediately start looking for his glasses despite the fact their equipment had been retured. He was virtually blind without them yet he was able to make the mad dash out. Surprised none of the others picked up on this.

It actually did strike me - as blind bastard myself, I wondered why the first thing he did wasn't take out his glasses - but I never made the Goa'uld connection. Nice one.

ixoy

It was ok

bada_bing wrote:

is it just me or was it the first time an expletive ( sh*t ) was ever uttered on Stargate?? Re: the scene where a go'auld stun bomb hit the alternate SG1 team and jack uttered the expletive. It just really stood out to me that Jack could say 'oh sh*t!' after all those 8 seasons, usually they only ever say crap!

Actually Jack said "oh shi-" without the final 't'. It's not quite the same... Similarly Glory, in Buffy, said "Ah fu-" in one episode, as did Buffy. But they cut it off so we don't here the full expletive. I don't think they'd get away with it 'coz it's a Sci-Fi show and that cable channel has a certain audience.

*However* it's not the first (and only) full expletive on the show. In the S1 finale "Within the Serpent's Grasp" we had a genuine swear:
O'NEILL
All right, I'm not talkin' to that thing in your head. I'm talking to Skaara.

KLOREL
Nothing of the host survives.

O'NEILL
That's bull****. Now let him talk to me.

They got away with that because they were on Showtime, the US cable channel which allows racier stuff. For that reason we got full frontal Sha're nudity for the pilot "Children of the Gods". Despite all that, in the end, they kept it tame because they wanted to get the show syndicated and not have to cut it. It's not the sort of show that needs swearing, sex, or bloody violence so I don't mind.

Rebel Jaffa

It was ok

Yeah I thought it was good, Jack never fails to crack me up and he done so quite a few times.

This ep got me thinking, why have the Gou'ald not grown technologically? Its seem that this only happened 5,000 years later when Anubis comes back with bigger better ships, weapons and solders.

Now I know that the Gou'ald take technology from other races but surely there have their own scientist to make betters weapons. To beat other System Lords.

@User45701 "but earth don't have a zpm anymore" They do, it was found with with the Video camera last week.

Why didn't they just go to the Ancients out post on earth 5000 years ago. Surely there would have been power in the ZPM then?

madrab

kinda funny but mostly dissapointing/crap

personally i think this was the worst season so far (quue multiple dissagreements with me)

yeah its going to be interesting to see what kind of story they hash up for the next season, maybe they can kill daniel 3 or 4 time this season, or finally kill off bre-tack (dont care if it isnt the correct spelling as i HATE that character)

OmegaRed

It was poor

madrab wrote:

kinda funny but mostly dissapointing/crap

personally i think this was the worst season so far (quue multiple dissagreements with me)

yeah its going to be interesting to see what kind of story they hash up for the next season, maybe they can kill daniel 3 or 4 time this season, or finally kill off bre-tack (dont care if it isnt the correct spelling as i HATE that character)

GOD! very grumpy aren't we?????

secret_squirrel

It sucked more than mutant x

Rebel Jaffa wrote:

Why didn't they just go to the Ancients out post on earth 5000 years ago. Surely there would have been power in the ZPM then?

That would have changed the timeline so when Yer man turns up with his fleet the ancient weapon wouldnt have worked coz the ZPM wouldnt be there.

Glad someone else noticed that they had the ZPM at the end of the ep too.

ixoy

It was ok

Am I missing something with my army of timeships idea?

* OriginalSG1 go back in time, get trapped and leave behind a timeship. Timeline altered.
* AlternateSG1 unbury the ship, go back in time and leave behind their timeship alongside first. Timeline altered again,
* AlternateAlternateSG1 unbury one of the two ships, go back in time, leave it alongside the original two. Timeline altered again..

... keep doing this until you're bored and then "fix" the timeline at the point of rebellion and zoom back to today and you've a 100 GateShips. Why not do this

The Free Man

i thought it was decent enough, but a little confusing......
at the and, where did original sg1 get the tape and the zpm?
i must have missed something.......

Draupnir

It was good!

there is no real flaw in that ixoy, there is a whole field of study into whether it can happen or not though. by that way of thinking, there should have been 2 gateships in the past when alternate sg-1 went back. the one the regular lads brought and the one alterate sg-1 had brought.

Bodan

It was ok

It was a good episode but should not have been this seasons Ending . The Reckoning Part 1 & 2 and Threads should have been , i can only think of they had to tie it in with Stargate Atlantis somehow .

Feels like the end of a era with jack leaving or moving upstairs . This new guy has big shoes to fill .

JustHalf

Why can Daniel see without his glasses now?

CatInABox

Well Rebel Jaffa, They wouldn't have there own science guys as (going back to season one here) 'knowledge of goauld magic is forbidden.' In other words, the rulers couldn't get some one to develop new stuff because then it would be very clear that they weren't 'gods' and 'all knowing'. Anubis didn't have to have any scientists as he was just using his own ancient knowledge.

They won't have that ZPM for much longer, as its used to get to atlantis

I thought that it was a good episode, but was kinda surprised that they didn't introduce some new enemy or threat for the next season. I just love the humour in this show, but god help you if didn't watch SG enough to recognise the in jokes. I sat there laughing for ages and my mam going 'Whats funny? Why are you laughing?'

Edit: Ugh.. Thought that I was on page 2 when I was posting this, but was only on page 1. Was very confused when the page popped up.

MrPinK

ixoy wrote:

Am I missing something with my army of timeships idea?

That would require sending more than one team back. Anyone who goes back has to stay in the past, and the more likely it is that someone will do something that will change the timeline.

seamus

It was poor

JustHalf wrote:

Why can Daniel see without his glasses now?

I guess somewhere along the way of multiple reincarnations and physical abuses he took, his eyes were "corrected".
There's also nothing to explain how he turned from geeky scientist guy into muscular guy who's clearly a few lbs of muscle heavier
Although I'm pretty sure Cheyenne mountain has an extensive gym.

jor el

It was ok

I think Daniel's eyes have been fixed ever since he ascended and then came back.

Overall I thought that episode was pretty good, though the ending was a little abrupt. Was looking forward to a big fight with Ra too.

As for the time ships, alternate Carter said to Jack that they'd have to destroy the one they came in so I can only assume they destroyed the other one too. So no more time ships. I think it would have been better just to destroy the time-circuits and leave the ships for SG1 to use in the future. It'd be handy to have a couple of these for finishing off the Goa'uld with.

I wonder will the Atlantis finale tie in with SG1 somehow since they have a ZPM on Earth now plus the new ship they mentioned which will be able to travel to Pegasus? It should be a good ending I hope.

sutty

It was good!

jor el wrote:

I wonder will the Atlantis finale tie in with SG1 somehow since they have a ZPM on Earth now plus the new ship they mentioned which will be able to travel to Pegasus? It should be a good ending I hope.

It already has, How do you think they Marines got to Athantis. Its is even said in the SG:A finale. That they found a ZPM in a dig in egipt.

Also Earth still has a time ship.(The one found in "its good to be king") As they did not have to use it to travel back in time in the first place... Ya got to love these time paradox's

Oh and as for Daniel not needing his glasses. I think that over time, use of the sarcophagus. He even became hooked on using in one ep. As for him ascending fixing his eyes. Sorry but if I recall correctly the first time he chose to come back. When he was left on the planet and SG1 find him. When SG1 aretrying to gain his trust, they give him his glasses and he goes "Oh... Thats better"
It could be eye surgy or just that the proper timeline Daniel only needs them for reading or close up objects.... but really does it matter in the long run?

I also noticed that the Alt Daniel didn't look for his Glasses or when they ran into alt Teal'c, that he hadn't them on... but I never guessed that he was a Spy

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

has the atlantis finale been shown on sky one yet sutty?

jor el

It was ok

I think SGA is ahead in Canada only and this episode hasn't been shown on Sky. At least the one on Tuesday night wasn't the finale, it was the one where Teyla can see onto the Wraith ship.

Also Earth still has a time ship.(The one found in "its good to be king")

Of course, sure they never used it did they. I hope they destroy the time travel bit though as those kinds of episodes are a bit crap.

When SG1 are trying to gain his trust, they give him his glasses and he goes "Oh... Thats better"

Ah, I remember that now. Might have been surgery at some point as he doesn't wear the glasses any more. Could be contacts too, but I'd doubt he could get five years worth of replacements in Ancient Egypt though.

sutty

It was good!

Mordeth wrote:

has the atlantis finale been shown on sky one yet sutty?

Sorry, I thought it had aired last night. spoiler tags added.

JustHalf

jor el wrote:

Ah, I remember that now. Might have been surgery at some point as he doesn't wear the glasses any more. Could be contacts too, but I'd doubt he could get five years worth of replacements in Ancient Egypt though.

But he still wears them from time to time (which is the weird thing).

Seed

It was ok

People eyes can get better. I used to wear glasses because my eyesight was poor. But over the years my eyesight has become much better, I don't have to wear them anymore.

However, sometimes my eyes feel strained so wearing glasses rarely to read or use a computer (bout once every few months) would help.

cregser

All this talk about glasses! Maybe it's because he's a character in a fictional TV show and writers aren't perfect?

You Stargate fans are an obsessive bunch

jhegarty

Seed wrote:

People eyes can get better. I used to wear glasses because my eyesight was poor. But over the years my eyesight has become much better, I don't have to wear them anymore.

However, sometimes my eyes feel strained so wearing glasses rarely to read or use a computer (bout once every few months) would help.

different time line , things can be different.... fish in a pond , video camera different, eye sight different....

maybe from in proper time line had some surgery to improve sight (its not a 100% fix) and in alternate timeline he didn't have it .....

ixoy

It was ok

cregser wrote:

All this talk about glasses! Maybe it's because he's a character in a fictional TV show and writers aren't perfect?

Err... We're talking about Daniel Jackson here, not a fictional character like "James T. Kirk." How would you like to be called a fictional character - show some respect to the hard working men and women of SG-1 :mad:

Draupnir

It was good!

ixoy wrote:

Err... We're talking about Daniel Jackson here, not a fictional character like "James T. Kirk." How would you like to be called a fictional character - show some respect to the hard working men and women of SG-1 :mad:

do ya mean Michael Shanks? or are you as mental as that sentence implies? thats a joke by the way

ixoy

It was ok

Draupnir wrote:

do ya mean Michael Shanks? or are you as mental as that sentence implies? thats a joke by the way

I'm as mental as the sentence implies - who is Michael Shanks? I only know Daniel Jackson

Draupnir

It was good!

hehe, thats what I thought

Rebel Jaffa

It was ok

secret_squirrel wrote:

That would have changed the timeline so when Yer man turns up with his fleet the ancient weapon wouldnt have worked coz the ZPM wouldnt be there.

Glad someone else noticed that they had the ZPM at the end of the ep too.

Sure when Anubis turned up it was Jack who had the accient knowledge in his head and thats when they traveled to an Ancient outpost for the full ZPM. They did not use the one on Earth as it was empty.

senordingdong

It sucked more than mutant x

Awfull.

The worst season finale I've ever seen.

cregser

Wasn't it supposed to be the sg1 series finale? They had to end it on a passive 'happy ever after?' note. It was a copy of the Star Trek:TNG finale really.

I agree with you anyway: poor. But when you see

the Stargate Atlantis finale tomorrow

you might appretiate why they did it.

Spoiler tag mainly for caution.

senordingdong

It sucked more than mutant x

Sg-1 isn't finished.

In fact they have just begun filming season 9...and Atlantis season 2 the other day.

OmegaRed

It was poor

k so i was thiniing about this time thing again and i came up with this?

They now have 3 time trvel ships?????

At the end of the season, alter jack and sam are makin out in the ship! Thats the 2nd ship in the past right????

Even if the 1st one isn't recovered becuase Ra's jaffa have it, they'll still find the 2nd one!

So present day, at least 1 ship will be uncovered with the zpm?!


But they also go to the planet where they first found it in "Its Good To Be King" and now they have at least 2 time travel ships?????

Anyone else confused????

mr_angry

It was poor

I assume the SG-1 of the Egyptian-era could have destroyed the vehicles to prevent contamination of the timeline after the rebellion against Ra? I know its not well explained in the episode, but anything could have happened really.

MrPinK

mr_angry wrote:

I assume the SG-1 of the Egyptian-era could have destroyed the vehicles to prevent contamination of the timeline after the rebellion against Ra?

Well they would have had to leave one buried in case the timeline wasn't actually restored and they had to go back and try to fix it again. But Carter seemed pretty adamant about destroying the thing. Seeing how much they ****ed things up the first time they tried to use it, they probably will scrap it/them. Or better yet, just destroy the time machine and keep the jumper.