The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
Deleted User wrote: Since I don't do the shopping it bothers me not haha but when I go on a long drive or staying away for a week or weekend, 11 Kw AC is a Godsend provided there's a charge point near by. Plug in and I either got enough charge for next destination or it saves me having to sit twiddling my thumbs for 30 mins at a fast charger or 40-45 mins if the battery is cold.
unkel wrote: » Unless you have the oldest i3, your car can charge at 11kW. And if you take your time having a coffee and then do your leasurely weekly shop, you're probably talking the guts of 2 hours, so 22kWh charged, that starts making sense alright
McGiver wrote: » By the way this is one of the reasons why the new 44kW units instead of the old 2x22kW are potentially worse for us 11+ kW AC capable. Right now, in many towns and rural places, when visiting, we come there plug in the 22 kW AC, do our business for an hour or two and then off we go. With the stupid new unit, can't leave it charging. Will have to come back and waste 30-40 minutes waiting for the DC charge, and that's assuming it is empty. Total waste of time...
Deleted User wrote: » What's the story with the new 44 Kwh again, they got 1 AC and 1 DC ?
DrPhilG wrote: » How many of you "I wouldn't be arsed with faffing around plugging in" are the same people who tell petrol heads that refueling is a doddle because it only takes me seconds to plug in at night?
ELM327 wrote: » Tethered charger, no app vs non tethered charger with app/rfid
MJohnston wrote: » Anyway, aren't you always saying that we need to build charging infrastructure for the EVs of the future? Those cars that can't do 11kW-22kW charging are just artefacts of the past
unkel wrote: » Looks like you were only half listening to me We need a (super) fast charging network that covers the country where you can quickly top up if you're doing long distance travel or where people charge who can't charge at home or work. Not re-inventing the wheel here, it's a bit like we have been filling up with petrol / diesel for the last 80-90 years :pac: There is a place for AC (slow) charging, but only at destinations where people are going to stop for several hours anyway. Like mostly at home and at work. But also at malls where there are cinemas or restaurants, in city or town centres, at beauty / walking spots. Not so much at supermarkets where people spend just 30 minutes and where plugging in is just a waste of time.
liamog wrote: » I do wonder who's advising supermarkets in Ireland that these are the "optimum" chargers. We know now that speaking a 2x22kW AC can be swapped with a 44kW CCS charger, I presume that means the same site can be supplied with 2 22kW DC chargers. Tesco investing a little bit extra and supplying those would offer far more benefit to far more people. Pre Zoe 50 drivers would be cut out, but it's not like they are the majority of EVs on our roads.
MJohnston wrote: » Except a 44kW CCS charger becomes an attraction for people who aren't going to shop there. Of course Tesco want more people to spend more time near their stores. Plus it would likely also have to be paid for by customers, and I'm guessing Tesco wants to offer free charging.
liamog wrote: » I mentioned installing 2 22kW DC chargers?
MJohnston wrote: » But it's not a waste of time - it's only a waste of time if you don't have a modern EV capable of faster AC charging!
unkel wrote: » Agreed. If 22kW AC charging (or at a push 11kW AC charging) became the norm in all EVs. Still only if you are at your destination for at least a few hours though
I feel it is more important to focus on the nationwide network of fast chargers though rather than public slow destination charging. Once the former is in place, we can concentrate on how to cope with a million or more EVs over the next two decades and where they are all going to charge. In a country like the Netherlands, there are fast chargers everywhere. Nobody needs home or work charging to own an EV. Just like nobody fills up with petrol or diesel at home or at work
MJohnston wrote: » What's the cost difference to Tesco?
ELM327 wrote: » I know from dealing with teh facilities folks at work, that the installers (and we dealt with 3) are all pushing the 22kW AC as the "fastest and best future proof" for destination charging. I don't know where that's coming from. 22kW/11kW/7kW is pretty similar at work where (bau) you're there for 8-10 hours anyway. In tesco there's a big difference between AC and 44kW DC
unkel wrote: » In a country like the Netherlands, there are fast chargers everywhere. Nobody needs home or work charging to own an EV. Just like nobody fills up with petrol or diesel at home or at work
Black_Knight wrote: » Seems overkill to me. I'd be reasonably happy with a 3 pin socket at my work (granted i've a short commute and an efficient car), but 22kW charge points seems excessive. Battery size isn't going to keep growing like it has in recent years, as the need for extra range (already have cars doing 400km+) and the cost of adding those extra kms and the additional weight it would add limit the battery capacity. Perhaps having 1 would be useful for visitors, but for staff, it's free charging. Beggars can't be choosers.
slave1 wrote: » Have to disagree with some of that, I think if we were a 3phase country (like Germany?) then we could have serious home charging and along with cars with increased range then we would all be charging at home/at night when industrial/commercial and residential demand is low.
unkel wrote: » And 66.2kWh even in a "gas" guzzler EV using 20kWh/100km is enough for 331km per day, or over 120k km per year. Who does more than that?
liamog wrote: » I don't think we need any serious move to domestic 3 phase power. We have 9 hours of night rate electricity, that's 66.2kWh of available power to your car per night from a 32A charger.
Black_Knight wrote: » I've hear pricing for AC is coming in next month. Similar (but cheaper) price per kWh as DC. What will the freeloaders do now?
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