MPFG wrote: » One thing that strikes me about this whole thing is for such a small country Ireland seems to have a disproportionate number of the main protagonists Pat McQuaid Paul Kimmage Emma O'Reilly With Sean Kelly and Nico Roche jumping right in
happytramp wrote: » Lets not forget David Walsh, surely one of the key players here.
Morrisseeee wrote: » MPFG's point is well made tho, Irish people have had a 'big' say in the rise & fall of Lance.
Morrisseeee wrote: » Real shame the way Simeoni (& others) were treated, and the way the UCI just stood back & supported Lance.US-Postal Tour de France squads 1999-2006 What I find so bizare is that when guys left US EPOstal they were immediately caught for doping !! So..............why weren't they caught when riding with US EPOstal ??!! (stinks to the high heavens and doesn't bode well for the governing body of cycling...............UCI) :(:mad:
Finnrocco wrote: » The fact that guys were caught when they moved squad proved that either Postal were protected or the doping regimes at other teams weren't as sophisticated ( or the guys were doing it on their own and didn't have the network around them to evade it).
brandon_flowers wrote: » Or that Lance didn't want any of them to be successful, he had already fallen out with Hamilton and Lands before they were caught/grassed.
wonderfullife wrote: » In general terms i hate invoking nationality but i tend to agree with the guy further above who said the Americans have a holier-than-thou attitude. Good to see USADA don't fit that bill. Prime example this summer when the 15 year old Chinese girl won gold in the swimming shaving 8 seconds off her p.b., US Swim Coach accused her of doping. Few days later an American 15 year old Katie Ledecky wins gold shaving a full 30 seconds off her best time in the space of 8 months, and she's apparently just naturally developing and talented.
dave2pvd wrote: » I'm going to jump to the defense of the Americans: in general, they don't have a holier than thou attitude. Well, except when it comes to the French. I do see a need for hero worship in the US. Then again, I'm not so sure about Irish people being any different when it comes to heroes.
dave2pvd wrote: » Kelly and Roche jnr don't even show on the radar when it comes to the fall of Postal/Armstrong. This is an international event, not just an Irish one. Here's my version of the 'Irish List': Pat McQuaid Paul Kimmage Emma O'Reilly David Walsh ! Shane Stokes is also putting up some well constructed and incisive pieces at the moment.
morana wrote: » When will Yates step down?
el tel wrote: » It's Festina Mk.2 I think Nothing will change, ultimately. There'll be a bit of revulsion, claims that the sport has been cleaned up and things will gradually revert to type. If there's a way to beat the system someone will find it and exploit it. Then the majority will do the same. Then another false dawn. There needs to be criminal sanctions and lifetime bans.
morana wrote: » this will be a movie. the script is there. But isnt great to be able to say "Lance Armstrong is a doper!" with Beasty being able to take his snipper out!
mitosis wrote: » Do the UK have an equivalent of the USADA?
el tel wrote: » Has anything been heard of Phil Liggett recently? Or is it a case of ZZzzzzzzzzziiiiiiip?
“He told me in a private situation, when I wasn’t working as a journalist. I was sat in the bedroom some years ago, and I asked him point blank, ‘look Lance, the way I talked you up on television, I would have to back off and resign if you one day went positive’. And he looked at me and he said ‘man I’ve seen death in the face and I don’t take drugs.’ And that’s all he said. I have no reason to disbelieve him.
