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The Heaven Fallacy

IamtheWalrus

If heaven is supposed to be a place where the occupants are in eternal happiness, what happens in this scenario:

I have a child and later I die and go to heaven. Whilst there, I'm looking forward to being reunited with my child a few years later after he/she dies. I wait and wait, decades later and my child still doesn't arrive. After sufficient time has passed, I can come to the conclusion that if my child is not in heaven, he/she must be in hell. Knowledge of this fact should make me unhappy. But how can I be? I'm in heaven.

You could say that maybe the child is in a different part of heaven but that would still make me unhappy because we still haven't been reunited.

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Beruthiel

God does the Jedi wave and you're sorted.

Delirium

Dades

Heaven clearly requires a lobotomy.

Like the guy in the Matrix who sells everyone out and asks to be put back in, rich, with no memory of his previous life.

Galvasean

You'll be too busy riding supermodels to notice.

GO_Bear

I assumed they reveled in the fact that they are in heaven and sinners are in hell.

IamtheWalrus

GO_Bear wrote: »

I assumed they reveled in the fact that they are in heaven and sinners are in hell.

I would suspect most would revel in the fact their child was in hell though.

magicbastarder

if you raised your child in such a way that your child went to hell, you are obviously a Bad Parent and would not make it to heaven in the first place.

IamtheWalrus

magicbastarder wrote: »

if you raised your child in such a way that your child went to hell, you are obviously a Bad Parent and would not make it to heaven in the first place.

Maybe. But what if your child went to the darkside when you popped your clogs.

Galvasean

magicbastarder wrote: »

if you raised your child in such a way that your child went to hell, you are obviously a Bad Parent and would not make it to heaven in the first place.

Let's replace 'child' with 'parents'. Commanadments say you have to love them, so you'd have to be sad if they didn't get to heaven even if they were wicked.

liamw

I love how you picked such a specific scenario to argue against heaven. The concept of heaven itself is such utter nonsense, it's not really worth considering these scenarios seriously is it?

GO_Bear

There has been enough serious discussion here the last week :O with morality and that crappy book :pac::pac:

I think we need to take something lightly !

How about a thread about the most ridiculous religious concepts/****e

Galvasean

liamw wrote: »

I love how you picked such a specific scenario to argue against heaven. The concept of heaven itself is such utter nonsense, it's not really worth considering these scenarios seriously is it?

I'm sure if you were debating a theist or someone who was uncertain on the matter you'd get a better discussion with such scenarios as opposed to just calling it all nonsense and refusing to engage in discussion.

Galvasean

GO_Bear wrote: »

How about a thread about the most ridiculous religious concepts/****e

Stickied at the top of the forum

IamtheWalrus

Maybe I should have posted in the Christianity forum.

GO_Bear

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Maybe I should have posted in the Christianity forum.

Hope you brought you riot gear for it ;D

Galvasean

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Maybe I should have posted in the Christianity forum.

Might be worth trying.

IamtheWalrus

Galvasean wrote: »

Might be worth trying.

I would like to hear their opinions. Mod, send her over.

Dades

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I would like to hear their opinions. Mod, send her over.

We were happy to have it, but if you want alternative opinions... MOVED.

GO_Bear

Thats fine , we are not good enough !

georgieporgy

Welcome to the Christianity forum. You are now in heaven.

GO_Bear

But where is Galvasean ?

IamtheWalrus

GO_Bear wrote: »

Thats fine , we are not good enough !

It probably wasn't suitable for the Atheist forum since no one there believes in a heaven to start with. I am interested in a theists view.

GO_Bear

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

It probably wasn't suitable for the Atheist forum since no one there believes in a heaven to start with. I am interested in a theists view.

I was only joking with you mate

Zombrex

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

It probably wasn't suitable for the Atheist forum since no one there believes in a heaven to start with. I am interested in a theists view.