FAS to go?

looksee

Headlines are saying that FAS is to be replaced with a new agency. However what the Tanaiste has said is that it is her intention 'to see a renewed and freshly mandated training agency assume the organisation's training work'.

This does not sound like a new agency, more like the conversion of Anco into FAS. Anco was renamed because it had lost all credibility, but no serious changes were made to the agency. Now FAS has lost credibility and we are told that there is to be a 'renewed and freshly mandated' agency. So how much of the existing management of FAS is to be left in place? The term 'renewed' suggests yet another new name, and business as usual.

How can some agencies have money thrown at them, and others struggle to survive? It sounds very much like yet another whitewash.

Guill

Same Aul' Sheet, different name

Dannyboy83

Just change the name and waste loads of money rebranding, that's about it.
Still staffed by same people.
Nothing will change I expect.

A lot of golden opportunities are being thrown away by Fianna Fail at the moment.

gandalf

According to the staff in there I have been talking to its been split up with half the functions going to the Dept of Education and the other half going to Social Protection.

They are expecting jobs to go as well.

billy the squid

nah, it will be like the abolishment of the health boards and establishment of the HSE. new toilet, same oul crap.

the same number and type of people will be employed. what they need to do is sack them all, close it down, and start again by holding open interviews.

skelliser

gandalf wrote: »

According to the staff in there I have been talking to its been split up with half the functions going to the Dept of Education and the other half going to Social Protection.

They are expecting jobs to go as well.

This is correct.
All the community development, community schemes will be going to Social Protection.
The rest i assume will go to a mixture of Education and the VEC's.
Alot of early retirements have been taking and i expect alot more after this budget.

The thing to look out for tho is to see who gets on the board's of what. Thats the key thing, follow the board members, that will tell alot about the "new" fas.

expectationlost

so we'll have the pillars of the communtiy doin nothing on the vec boards instead of the fas board?

amacachi

Hopefully they're using a northern company for the rebranding, save a few quid that way.

jock101

A new rebranded quango with jobs for the boys!

Fred Cohen

expectationlost wrote: »

so we'll have the pillars of the communtiy doin nothing on the vec boards instead of the fas board?

Never mind the boards they're useless anyway. How many of the senior management are going to be kept on dispite their clear incompetence ?

Essexboy

billy the squid wrote: »

nah, it will be like the abolishment of the health boards and establishment of the HSE. new toilet, same oul crap.

the same number and type of people will be employed. what they need to do is sack them all, close it down, and start again by holding open interviews.

new toilet, same oul crap.

dave45dave

Never had faith in the shower of losers anyway, its no big loss, with all there fake jobs online. :eek:

donkey balls

dave45dave wrote: »

Never had faith in the shower of losers anyway, its no big loss, with all there fake jobs online. :eek:

Dont you mean the wpp schemes which employers are abusing and FAS what do a thing about it:rolleyes: when reported to them.

PeterIanStaker

Great idea . . . sure re-name it and people will forget. Worked with the HSE.
Not.

Elevator

there's some voluntry and mandatery redundancies on top of reduced pensions over the past year even for the good ones who worked all their lives for fás!

I know first hand of a lot of good that was done by certain individuals and they have a lot to be thanked for

JonathanAnon

They should just employ some efficient administrators to run each Fás premises and subcontract ALL the teaching to private training companies and businesses..

Biggins

Anyone remember "Manpower" - that was before they discovered it sucked so then they came up with the new "FAS" - which was before we discovered it sucked too.

I wonder what will the next one be called before we discover it sucks also?

gandalf

Biggins wrote: »

I wonder what will the next one be called before we discover it sucks also?

Dyson (sorry I couldn't resist the temptation )

Floppybits

Typical solution to this problem from this inept government. An agency riddled with corruption and to solve this problem they think a name change will work. No wonder we are in the state we are in. :mad:

gandalf

Floppybits wrote: »

Typical solution to this problem from this inept government. An agency riddled with corruption and to solve this problem they think a name change will work. No wonder we are in the state we are in. :mad:

The problem as I see it is what is the plan really. The minister is saying one thing and the staff are being told another. It's nearly like they are flapping around looking for whatever solution seems more popular with the masses which is no way to manage anything.

Floppybits

gandalf wrote: »

The problem as I see it is what is the plan really. The minister is saying one thing and the staff are being told another. It's nearly like they are flapping around looking for whatever solution seems more popular with the masses which is no way to manage anything.

Gandalf, to me the solution is simple for FAS. Basically a root and branch clear out of all those who have been found to abusing expenses in there. Then a new person with significant qualifications in this area appointed to run the place and they appoint the correct people via a public advertising of positions and interview process. The new heads is also held responsible for the behaviour of the organisation, none of this non responsibility crap we see with other organisations like the HSE and also the government. It's time to get tough on this. A name change will do nothing, remember FAS has already had two previous name changes from Manpower to ANCO and then FAS.

PCPhoto

Floppybits wrote: »

Gandalf, to me the solution is simple for FAS. Basically a root and branch clear out of all those who have been found to abusing expenses in there. Then a new person with significant qualifications in this area appointed to run the place and they appoint the correct people via a public advertising of positions and interview process. The new heads is also held responsible for the behaviour of the organisation, none of this non responsibility crap we see with other organisations like the HSE and also the government. It's time to get tough on this. A name change will do nothing, remember FAS has already had two previous name changes from Manpower to ANCO and then FAS.

who chooses the "new person" ?

like everything government related .... it will most likely result in someone loosing their job - getting a nice pension and redundancy package .... then get re-hired in a new position in the new agency.

(not in the least bit cynical am i ???)

Everyone involved ( at least management and board members) should be exempt from applying - and people on the dole with similar experience should get first dibs. (are at least should get interviewed)

Dannyboy83

Biggins wrote: »

Anyone remember "Manpower" - that was before they discovered it sucked so then they came up with the new "FAS" - which was before we discovered it sucked too.

I wonder what will the next one be called before we discover it sucks also?

Yep, Anco - the FAS predecesor - 'rebranded' due to the exact same problems, albeit on a smaller scale.......even 3/4 of the Fás wiki page is about various scandals

Biggins

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Yep, Anco - the FAS predecesor - 'rebranded' due to the exact same problems, albeit on a smaller scale.......even 3/4 of the Fás wiki page is about various scandals

Indeed, and it seems they didn't learn any lesson from that and/or implement any procedures to see that it could not happen again or a variant occur!

So I don't hold out much hope for whatever is to come next...

Tigs_

Indeed whats in a name they should rename FAS ..a more fitting title of FARCE,as that is exactly what they are ,they subsidise local businesses,do not provide adequate training BULLYING IS THE FAS CULTURE,there is discrimination amongst certain members of the irish population,including those from traditionally differnt clans,travellers,working class,and immigrants.FAS do support and get support off the local politicians,county councillors,builders bankers,and not to mention the corruption in the charity shops and of course our government were so kind as to let FAS start up a FAS credit union,they even had funding for SPACE PROJECTS and SCHMOOZING WITH THE TOP BRASS,forgetting of course about the CE WORKERS NOT MUCH WITH REGARD TO FACILITIES CHANGED FOR THEM!AND AS FAR AS UPSKILLING GOES ALL THEY HAVE AVAILABLE ARE OUT DATED COURSES,THEY ARE NOT THERE FOR THE LIKES OF YOU AND ME,AND PAYING CE WORKERS PEANUTS DOES NOT GENERATE REVENUE,FAS GIVE LITTLE BY WAY OF TAX RETURN.
THE NAME CHANGE IS JUST ANOTHER EXCUSE FOR THEM TO HAVE A HANDSOME BUDGET THIS YEAR.

PAUL O TOOLE THE NEW GUY WHO WAS PRAISED BY RTE TOO EARLY IN THE GAME AND WHO GOT NO TOUGH QUESTIONS,HAS A NEW CAR TO START HIS CAREER IN WHERE HE RACKED UP FIFTY THOUSAND EUROS ON TRAVEL AND FROM WHAT I SEE OF HIM HE LOOKS LIKE A THICK ****EN EEJIT!


The supervisors of FAS are not at all professional they are mostly scum you would not even scrape from the bottom of a barrell i had a supervisor who was friends with RIRA and dated a brothel keeper,they are scum and not equal oppurtunities!

THEY ARE THE LAST CHANCE SALOON OF THE LAME IF THEY HAD TO DO A DAYS WORK IN A NON STATE COMPANY THEY WOULD BE FIRED ,BECAUSE COMPANIES OPERATE DIFFERENTLY IN STATE JOBS YOU CAN ACT THE MONKEY AND STILL NOT GET FIRED COS UR AUNT GOT U IN THE DOOR,WHILE THE POOR JOE NEXT TO THEM COULD BE WORKING LIKE BLAZES AND STILL GET TREATED UNFAIRLY NEXT TO THE FF BUFFON!

Tigs_

FAS are there to provide local businesses with FREE LABOUR (ce workers),and they are not there for the likes of you or i..They even have pushed full time staff out of thier jobs.The FAS way gives nothing back to the likes of you or i(the ce worker,or the full time employee),be under no illusion.
FAS generate very little by way of revenue yet our government are very kind to them in the budget every year why is that?
FAS = CORRUPTION.

steelcityblues

From my personal experience - they are a useless quango with a mainly unhelpful and condescending staff!

As people have already said, the new setup may well be window dressing.

Tigs_

Couldnt agree more..From my personal experience FAS was just that a quango and a useless one at that,i would not reccomned a FAS course to anybody who is serious about their C.V,being completeley honest i would try any other recruitment service but FAS.They only pay the going rate of the dole,at thier best all they could do(in the boom years) was bolster up the welfare of the welfare hoors of ireland,they never provided job oppurtunities for them either,unless you were a relative who had clout!:)

Unfortunately there are recruitment agencies who just do not ring back,i have been to countless recruitment agencies over the years(yes years,when my C.V was undamaged by a fat retarded supervisor in FAS.

http://www.shane-ross.ie/archives/598/lash-your-fas-cronies-jack/

It is these supervisors who are the face of FAS and give FAS a bad rep.They go LARGELY unpunished due to the fas head office screaming it is not our responsibility it is not within our remit etc,their claim is that the FAS supervisors are not directly employed by FAS itself?Even though she is on a FAS payrole.The rules of FAS work against anybody who finds themselves being harrassed by a supervisor.I was harrassed by this supervisor who partook in stealing off of me,with her ce worker boyfriend,she also has used the internet inappropraitely,but if i did complain her about that,i probably would have been the one that was fired!OH THE IRONY OF IT ALL.!

The FAS officer who officially signs you up,could be situated miles from a supervisor and there is NOBODY INDEPENDANT SUPERVISING THE SUPERVISOR,THE SET UP OF FAS IS WRONG,AND IT WILL COST EVEN MORE MONEY TO FIX THIS INHERENTLY CORRUPT ORGANISTATION.

http://info-wars.org/2010/05/15/ireland-fas-to-pay-investigator-e1000-a-day-for-probe-into-15-staff/

Because FAS are there to provide essentially FREE LABOUR(yes thats right the fas ce worker and apprenticeship wage is now cut to that of the dole) to local businesses,the local boss is willing to put up with a harassing boss.

www.indymedia.ie/article/90107

Ce workers have replaced full time staff where i worked,it is ridiculous,it should be challenged more vigouously by someone!

Bullying is the FAS culture,and it is full of FF buffons.

A name change only validates what the government are doing,which is fiddling statistics to make the percentages of unemployed artificially DECREASE.Kind of like what they were doing with the banks when they paid that ombudsman to do the ''stress test'',on the banks in ireland even up to a year before they officially came out public with the recession..

Bankers can have a job at FAS(or the organistation formerly known as FAS) if they find the pressure too much maybe???

www.indymedia.ie/article/90107

The poor humble jobless joes and the working class have no voice on what happens in irish politics,who we vote for,is essentially put before our eyes on a national level we cannot choose.

People who gravitate towards the state jobs / government jobs like FAS etc..Are buffons they have no education,no formal training or even work experience and for thier shortcomings,try to make everyone else around them inferior.

http://info-wars.org/2010/09/08/students-caught-in-fas-farce-will-have-to-re-sit-exams/

If these FF buffons had to work a day in a real enviorment where you just had to get the work done,they wouldnt last..and they sure as hell know it too.

FAS is there for the failed.

I have worked as a ce worker for the disabled and the company involved with FAS took full advantage,it was more about office politics with certain members of staff (WHO I SHALL NOT NAME)than getting an honest days work down.Some staff members of FAS and one other member of the other organisation (who i will not identify by level or name),also conducted herself dishonestly on and offline,however if i was to point this out,i would have been the problem..There were two people who were on ce schemes one person who is in higher management(who was on a ce scheme for ten years,the other who is high up also(was there for seven years,hardly the pick of the crop,yet the used FAS as a springboard to get onto working with disablity in rehab care).
A lot of bad hiring decisions were made in this place,and being honest,a big fat disaster waiting to happen,and they have themselves to blame for that.

http://thestory.ie/2010/05/14/fas-bulletin-board-and-expenses/

My point is FAS can put your workplace in a world of **** very quickly..

One service user had faeces in his underwear and was made to stay in rehab care for a full day while not being dealt with or his family or home help called.

They are more interested in licking each others arse holes!Fas have corrupted workplaces like these if i was to have a choice of working in a workplace i would be happier if FAS were not involved as some of these ce workers could end up replacing a full time staff member.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jCSKcOMBe8oJ:www.indymedia.ie/article/97746+site:indymedia.ie+MARY+HARNEY+DISTURBED+DISABILITY+INDYMEDIA&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

Getting back to the FAS issue im sure they will be having to hire even more consultants and watchers of watchers due to the bad 'workplace' structure of FAS.A name change will drain more of our money,i would compare FAS to a redundant vampire or ghost agency they are taking all our money and genertating very little by way of a) getting people in REAL employment(They actually take away from this with the free labour scam and scmoozing with the businesses who come to ireland,do you think they will turn around get rid of FAS and give YOU a job??..NO) b. not much revenue,this is a dead agency that should have been shut down,the people of ireland should have been consulted about this.

FAS ARE ANOTHER EXPENSE (WHO HAVE GOTTEN THE GOOD CARD EVERY YEAR FROM OUR MINISTERS) THAT SHOULD BE CUT LOOSE ASK ANY ECONOMIST OR ANYBODY WITH A BIT OF COMMON SENSE!

www.politics.ie/.../128611-fas-paying-british-army-recruitment-ireland.html

HOW DO FAS ATTRACT TAX PAYING JOBS?


WHAT TAX DO FAS GIVE BACK

WHY DO THEY SPEND SO MUCH ON FALSE ADVERTISING


WHY DO FAS NEVER DO WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO

WHY EMPLOY A FAILED MINISTER WHO RACKED UP 50 K A FAS EXEC JOB


IS FAS ANOTHER JOBS FOR THE BOYS LIKE OUR UNREFORMED AND CORRUPT DAIL


WHY ARE SOME HARRASSING SUPERVISORS STILL THERE


WHY DO FAS HEAD OFFICE SAY IT IS NOT WITHIN THEIR REMIT TO CHALLENGE OR DISCIPLINE A SUPERVISOR EX WELFARE HOOR WHO PARTAKES IN STEALING AND BULLYING AND HAS CONNECTIONS WITH THE IRA?

www.anphoblacht.com/news/detail/39861

http://www.kingofthetravellers.com/aggregator/sources/1?page=7


WHERE IS OUR VOICE PAUL O TOOL!WHERE IS OUR VOICE YOU SAY FAS GET NEGATIVE SOUNDBITES BUT UR FULL OF D4 BS AND WE ALL KNOW IT TOO,YOUR A THICK FF BUFFON WHO COULDNT ADD TWO AND TWO AND YOU WERE MINISTER FOR TOURISM WHERE ARE OUR TOURISTS YOU WERE GIVEN THIS POST IN THE YEARS OF THE ..BOOM?


http://www.indymedia.ie/article/97583


Our countries leaders are rotten to the core they have ruined us financially and have put a lot of working and middle class in the **** while propping up vampire agencies like FAS.As we can see in the article below and others like it on the internet the FAS expenses are still rolling on..

http://thestory.ie/2010/09/06/fas-funds-and-siptuictu/

Tigs_

''From my personal experience - they are a useless quango with a mainly unhelpful and condescending staff!''

condescending?? indeed..FAS is full of FF buffon politics pulling tricks out of an old hat is what these buffons do best..and come to think of it..where might you be from..steelcityblues??

Like the name,here is an interesting read on FAS and how not one graduate has been taken on since they have completed their erroneous FAS course..

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfkfojidauid/rss2/


This is a vampire semi government agency that gets a name change and more multi millions to waste on junkets and a new ad campaign to match their name..I hope they are not going to get a t.v advert i heard those cost a few..

They do not run agencies of free labour like this in india..


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