sgthighway wrote: » He did not ram the vechicle. He stopped short of hitting the gates.
Poly wrote: » So would you consider jailing people for inability to pay small fines, Tv licence, utility bills as state sponsored terrorism?
seamus wrote: » Although I'm no fan of the terrorism hysteria, terrorism is defined as "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.". I would class ramming a vehicle into the gates of a building as "violence".
Poly wrote: » "Recovery crews attempted to reverse it but it wouldn't move. It is understood brake lines and electric cables have been cut." Have they tried "going forward"?
seamus wrote: » The guy can't exactly be in the depths of despair if he has the money to kit out and damage a cement truck. What a complete moron, what did he think he was going to accomplish.
Babooshka wrote: » People have a right to be angry and people have a right to remind on a daily basis what the powers that be have gotten away with. I am not sure that twenty years ago things were this bad to be honest, that's all to play for yet and no one knows if it is worse or better yet.
And yet you can downplay the crimes that key leaders in this government, and the legacy of the two governments before them and all of their cronies have bestowed on this country.
What is up with people and why do they think it's not a good thing that people are finally standing up for what they believe in here, it's about time we all grew a spine and stood up to a gang of thieves who've been holding us to ransom.
Is it because he actually gets off his ar** and highlights a huge scandal that the government are covering up and making us all pay the clean up costs ?
seamus wrote: » Our children's future is 10/20 years away. .
jmayo wrote: » Don't you know they couldn't "go forward" as mary scary is in the states press ganging young Americans into coming to college here. Why is he a moron ? Is it because he actually gets off his ar** and highlights a huge scandal that the government are covering up and making us all pay the clean up costs ? Hopefully he accomplishes one thing and that is he might scare them a little and anything that does that is damm good. Today it is a guy with empty readymix truck trying to go through the gates of Leinster House. Tomorrow it might be full one barrelling into their constituency clinic. It's about time these people in ff and the ff lite realised that not all of us are going to take the sh**. AFAIK the only ones so far that scared them a little were the farmers, well over a year ago now, who charged their cosy get together at Hodson Bay hotel and picketed brendan smith's constituency office in Cavan. Sadly they apepar to have been placated and so are no longer hounding the useless sh**s. Apart from that they have been given a free ride and everytime someone comes out to ridicule anyone that does protest you are IMHO just helping them stay in power.
feelingstressed wrote: » Nobody gets jailed for failing to pay these. They are jailed for ignoring court orders or failing to show up to court over these issues.
oncevotedff wrote: » Our children's future is today. Health and education cuts are affecting our children now.
seamus wrote: » What did they hope to achieve?
seamus wrote: » A protest should aim to bring about change - the protesters should have a solution.
seamus wrote: » Agreed. But that's entirely separate to Anglo. The money into Anglo isn't affecting the money we're spending on public services. Or to put it another way - even if the Anglo problem didn't exist, health and education would still be suffering massive cuts. So go protest against that, tell the government how to better spend its money on health and education. Don't go dragging Anglo into it and confusing the situation.
Poly wrote: » Anglo is impacting on our ability to borrow money to pay for these services.
seamus wrote: » Agreed. I have a problem when people protest for things which are going to do *more* damage than has already been done. Think of the Greek protest against austerity measures - something had to be done, the greek people were protesting about something being done. What did they hope to achieve? "No, let the country collapse, screw it"? A protest should aim to bring about change - the protesters should have a solution. Protest that the government haven't held two by-elections, protest that they take 12 weeks' holidays when the country needs intensive care, but protesting "just because" is wasting your breath. If you think that crimes have been committed, you're free to make a complaint to the Gardai. Making poor decisions isn't the same thing as committing a crime. Yes it is, it's called voting. This isn't a dictatorship, we put them into power. Like I say above, protest to bring about change, but if you're unhappy, a letter to your TD, followed by voting for the other guy, is more effective than standing outside the Dail saying, "I'm unhappy, but I don't have any specific solutions. I just thought you needed to know". "Covering up"? Seriously, WTF people? Am I the only person who can't turn on a radio or read a paper without seeing every single detail of this splashed everywhere? It doesn't need further highlighting.
screamer wrote: » The country is screwed, nothing can save us now, we are going to be made pay every penny that we owe to Europe, who will eventually run us anyways, and to think of the men of 1916 who gave their lives for this.... less than 100 years since then and look at the cock-up that we as the voters and the government that we democratically elected has made of it.
screamer wrote: » Go tell that to the people contemplating suicide every day cause there is no way out of their debt, to people who have lost everything, who have been kicked out on the street with their kids...... and the thousands more that will follow. I am fed up of the Irish mentality that everything is "grand" when it isn't..... what is wrong with people? get off your ass and protest, and stop moaning and whinging about things behind tea cups, and doing SFA to change it.
seamus wrote: » Agreed. I have a problem when people protest for things which are going to do *more* damage than has already been done. Think of the Greek protest against austerity measures - something had to be done, the greek people were protesting about something being done. What did they hope to achieve? "No, let the country collapse, screw it"?
seamus wrote: » Protest that the government haven't held two by-elections, protest that they take 12 weeks' holidays when the country needs intensive care, but protesting "just because" is wasting your breath. If you think that crimes have been committed, you're free to make a complaint to the Gardai. Making poor decisions isn't the same thing as committing a crime.
seamus wrote: » Yes it is, it's called voting. This isn't a dictatorship, we put them into power. Like I say above, protest to bring about change, but if you're unhappy, a letter to your TD, followed by voting for the other guy, is more effective than standing outside the Dail saying, "I'm unhappy, but I don't have any specific solutions. I just thought you needed to know". "Covering up"? Seriously, WTF people? Am I the only person who can't turn on a radio or read a paper without seeing every single detail of this splashed everywhere? It doesn't need further highlighting.
Happyman42 wrote: » So you propose adding Anarchy to Chaos .....that'll help.:rolleyes:
seamus wrote: » Agreed. But that's entirely separate to Anglo. The money into Anglo isn't affecting the money we're spending on public services.
seamus wrote: » Or to put it another way - even if the Anglo problem didn't exist, health and education would still be suffering massive cuts.
seamus wrote: » So go protest against that, tell the government how to better spend its money on health and education. Don't go dragging Anglo into it and confusing the situation.
screamer wrote: » Go tell that to the people committing suicide every day cause there is no way out of their debt, to people who have lost everything, who have been kicked out on the street with their kids...... and the thousands more that will follow. I am fed up of the Irish mentality that everything is "grand" when it isn't..... what is wrong with people? get off your ass and protest, and stop moaning and whinging about things behind tea cups, and doing SFA to change it.
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DHYNZY wrote: » And its incredibly sad and infuriating to see people in dire situations, but thats the nature of recession/depression.
