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  • 07-01-2015 6:40pm
    #1
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    Firstly, apologies for keeping the original thread closed for so long. It was bad timing mod wise. Real life and the likes.

    The following rules now apply:
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    The story:
    At least 12 people, including two policemen, have been killed in a shooting at the Paris offices of French satirical weekly magazine Charlie Hebdo.

    Another 20 people were injured in the attack, including four or five critically.

    Police union official Rocco Contento described the scene inside the offices as "carnage".

    Full story here


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    Peist2007
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    Will be interesting to see the French response to this tonight, both in the government and on the streets.


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    Hitchens
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    terrible.................just terrible :mad:


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    RobertKK
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    Lets hope these killers are caught quickly and no one else is injured by them.

    A meeting at the Spire is happening at 7pm to show solidarity with the French.


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    RobYourBuilder
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    RIP to the 12. Senseless killings.


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    Virgil°
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    Is it possible do you think that the thread continue under the precedence that

    a) Muslims are not a race.

    b) Islam is not another word for "Muslims".

    I doubt its possible but i'd love to see it attempted.


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    Grayson
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    I've only read a story on the guardian. It seems like the perpetrators are Islamic fundamentalists. Did they say they were? Has there a group taken responsibility?

    I'll admit that it probably is they but I'm just wondering. After the Madrid bombings people thought it was ETA and I believe after Oklahoma they weren't looking for domestic terrorists at first.

    Edit: Just read the RTE one. Saw that someone apparently mentioned the prophet. Guess that answers my question.


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    asteroids over berlin
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    RIP to all.

    Delusional Islamic fools (the gunmen)!


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    Duggy747
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    Lots of people out in Paris showing solidarity.

    People holding pens up.

    Massive crowd here


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    Lovely Bloke
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    to massacre a staff of a magazine because they published unflattering cartoons of your religion's prophet is inhuman.

    How come other religions can tolerate it, without resorting to this kind of behaviour?


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    Palmach
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    Virgil° wrote: »
    Is it possible do you think that the thread continue under the precedence that

    a) Muslims are not a race.

    b) Islam is not another word for "Muslims".

    I doubt its possible but i'd love to see it attempted.

    I have tried that but some people have their heads up their own posteriors with political correctness. As the great Sam Harris said we must always differentiate between attacking the ideology ie Islam which is in my opinion a religion that is in many parts backward and medieval and attacking all Muslims as people.

    The Imam at Clonskeagh was on Newstalk condemning the cartoons. On the day that was in it it says a lot about the mindset of some Muslims. Ali Selim has according to Mike Horan threatened legal action against anyone who publishes these cartoons in Ireland.

    ALL newspapers in Europe should as a show of solidarity publish Charlie Hebdos cartoons on their front pages tomorrow.


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    6781
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    Rip to all those who lost there life's today.

    These fascists and their supporters need to be wiped out.


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    Lovely Bloke
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    they probably aren't still in Paris


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    branie2
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    It was awful


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    KilOit
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    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Will be interesting to see the French response to this tonight, both in the government and on the streets.

    Would be worried about the streets, a lot of innocent middle eastern people will bear the brunt of this tragedy


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    Grayson
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    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    to massacre a staff of a magazine because they published unflattering cartoons of your religion's prophet is inhuman.

    How come other religions can tolerate it, without resorting to this kind of behaviour?

    In the US last year a guy went on the rampage with a gun. He was killing black people because the bible told him.

    As much as I dislike religion these kind of people are not generally reflective of the religion.


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    Peist2007
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    Admiral Ozzel wrote: »
    I find it worrying that they are still running around Paris and armed to the teeth.

    Probably live in Paris. Or not. They looked like professionals and they didnt martry themselves. I'd say they are all sitting in or around Paris in separate locations watching the news unfold. I would be very surprised if they had any other plans for today. Mission accomplished is what it looks like from their perspective.


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    Hitchens
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    KilOit wrote: »
    Would be worried about the streets, a lot of innocent middle eastern people will bear the brunt of this tragedy
    that is partly the aim of those bástards


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    CrazyRabbit
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    The sad thing is that a growing number of people will likely be celebrating this and not condemning it as the gross act of barbarism is truly is.

    Events like this inevitably lead to retaliation by either individuals, groups or the military forces of countries, which is turn generates more extremist terrorists. It's a vicious cycle.


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    efb
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    I remember when South Park had Muhammad on a show and no one batted an eyelid.

    RIP to the deceased


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    Peist2007
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    KilOit wrote: »
    Would be worried about the streets, a lot of innocent middle eastern people will bear the brunt of this tragedy

    Exactly. France and Paris is a pressure cooker at the best of times.


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    Palmach
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    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    they probably aren't still in Paris

    According to some reports their French was heavily accented perhaps indicating they weren't French. The Old Bill keep a tight lid on things in France so they may have been brought in.

    It is strange because they knew the codes to the building and they knew the whole staff was there. Also security seems to have been stepped down after the New Year according to a journalist on Coopers show.


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    ardle1
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    Charlie Hebdo has been criticising and lampooning religion and politics for a long time, and particularly zoned in on Islam... They had been warned and they also had security measures in place and French police where also aware of their vulnerable situation!
    Today unfortunately they paid the ultimate price.


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    nokia69
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    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    they probably aren't still in Paris

    it looked like they were going for the suburbs, its possible that they have made a clean get away

    but they might be planning another attack


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    Palmach
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    KilOit wrote: »
    Would be worried about the streets, a lot of innocent middle eastern people will bear the brunt of this tragedy

    What is noteworthy is that in western countries following such attacks there has been little or no backlash.


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    Lovely Bloke
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    ardle1 wrote: »
    Charlie Hebdo has been criticising and lampooning religion and politics for a long time, and particularly zoned in on Islam..

    Nope, they also "zoned in on" Judaism, Christianity and right-wing politicians.


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    JONJO THE MISER
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    Palmach wrote: »
    The Imam at Clonskeagh was on Newstalk condemning the cartoons. On the day that was in it it says a lot about the mindset of some Muslims. Ali Selim has according to Mike Horan threatened legal action against anyone who publishes these cartoons in Ireland.

    Why would that surprise, his son is in prison in Egypt and was a supporter of the muslim brotherhood there, a group that is as bad as Isis, i hope the special branch are keeping tabs on this guy.


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    #28
    RollieFingers
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    Those Islamist extremists are bad, bad men, can they not just chill like, murdering a dozen innocent people over a poxy cartoon! They don't exactly give a good name to or portray their religion in a very positive light, scumbags!


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    Smiles35
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    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    to massacre a staff of a magazine because they published unflattering cartoons of your religion's prophet is inhuman.

    How come other religions can tolerate it, without resorting to this kind of behaviour?

    It's a law in Islam. No images of the prophet whatsoever.


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    bodice ripper
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    Palmach wrote: »
    ALL newspapers in Europe should as a show of solidarity publish Charlie Hebdos cartoons on their front pages tomorrow.


    +1


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    ninebeanrows
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    Europe is near a tipping point, soon we could have the likes of Sinn Fein, UKIP and the National Front leading governments. We are at a dangerous point in history. We must stand back and make firm decisions but not descend into complete ignorance and racism.


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