Kerry v Donegal All Ireland football final 2014 - Mod warning Post #598

Rookster · 18-09-2014 1:05pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

3 days before the final and the thread is on the second page with no post in 24 hours....what on earth is going on?:eek::eek::eek:

If I were Donegal I would be worried.

realweirdo · 18-09-2014 1:10pm

Everyone in Donegal in lockdown perhaps?

zetecescort · 18-09-2014 1:15pm

realweirdo wrote: »

Everyone in Donegal in lockdown perhaps?

Donegal in lockdown and "tell em nothing" cute hoorism from Kerry.:pac:

opiniated · 18-09-2014 1:31pm

Nah! No lockdown. Just respect for the opposition.
Realistically, there are two good teams going head to head - and the best team will win on the day, all things being equal.

Personally, I favour Donegal (obviously!) - but I don't buy into the hype that it's Donegals match to lose, any more than I bought into the hype that Dublin were "unbeatable" - although I'll admit I did question my own judgement, in the face of all the "expert" opinion.

Ollieboy · 18-09-2014 2:00pm

opiniated wrote: »

Nah! No lockdown. Just respect for the opposition.
Realistically, there are two good teams going head to head - and the best team will win on the day, all things being equal.

Personally, I favour Donegal (obviously!) - but I don't buy into the hype that it's Donegals match to lose, any more than I bought into the hype that Dublin were "unbeatable" - although I'll admit I did question my own judgement, in the face of all the "expert" opinion.

So what about the senior game? I expect the minor game might be 50/50...

I do agree, but Kerry are a side growing and Donegal are a team fully developed, points to one result.

Ollieboy · 18-09-2014 2:02pm

I hear the Kindgom are drafting Tommy Walsh back from Auz for game, must be getting really worried now.

keane2097 · 18-09-2014 2:03pm

Ollieboy wrote: »

I hear the Kindgom are drafting Tommy Walsh back from Auz for game, must be getting really worried now.

Confirmed. He will line out at full back.

2moreMinutes · 18-09-2014 2:19pm

Take back whoever ye want, I heard Rambo is coming back for us.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 18-09-2014 2:21pm

Its very tough game to call but I'm going to with Donegal by a couple of points.I can't see the being as foolish as Mayo were and allowing Donaghy to push them around.Donaghy is going to have his work cut out to get the better of the McGee's also I don't think David Moran will dominate midfield like he did against Mayo.I think Donagel should go for the jugular early oin like they did in 2012 agaisnt Mayo.Paddy McBrearty has to start he's too good to start the game on bthe bench.

homerjay2005 · 18-09-2014 2:22pm

one thing thats got me worried, is that ulster teams dont lose finals that often do they?

only 4 times since 1960 has an all ireland that contained an Ulster team, not resulted in Sam going up North and its 9 success out of last 11 for an Ulster team, since 1991.

iDave · 18-09-2014 2:23pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

one thing thats got me worried, is that ulster teams dont lose finals that often do they?

only 4 times since 1960 has an all ireland that contained an Ulster team, not resulted in Sam going up North and its 9 success out of last 11 for an Ulster team, since 1991.

Tyrone cheated in 95 also

homerjay2005 · 18-09-2014 2:25pm

iDave wrote: »

Tyrone cheated in 95 also

how so?

ciarriaithuaidh · 18-09-2014 2:29pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

one thing thats got me worried, is that ulster teams dont lose finals that often do they?

only 4 times since 1960 has an all ireland that contained an Ulster team, not resulted in Sam going up North and its 9 success out of last 11 for an Ulster team, since 1991.

Lies, damned lies and statistics my man. Between 1968 and 1991 only 2 ulster teams even reached the final because they were being beaten, well beaten in many cases in semi finals. As for the "Kerry struggling with Ulster teams" myth...record in c/ship since 2000 is as follows.
Kerry v Ulster teams:
Played 16
Won 9
Drawn 1
Lost 6

That includes beating Armagh twice and Tyrone.

opiniated · 18-09-2014 2:30pm

Ollieboy wrote: »

So what about the senior game? I except the minor game might be 50/50...

I do agree, but Kerry are a side growing and Donegal are a team fully developed, points to one result.

I think both games will be hard fought, tbh. Only time will tell.

I agree that Kerry are a growing side - but are you perhaps forgetting tht Donegal also have a couple of new players?
I wont say that Donegal are a team fully developed, for that reason - but I suspect that Kerry next year will be an even bigger threat than Kerry this year - and that is in no way underestimating the threat that Kerry pose this year.

For the senior title, we will see a face-off between two of the most dynamic young managers GAA has seen in years (imo).
I fully expect both of them to pull a masterclass in strategy.
The only question is - who will outmanoeuvre who?

The other great question, as always - is how refereeing decisions will pan out , and possible injuries (Hopefully, none.)

DoctaDee · 18-09-2014 2:33pm

iDave wrote: »

Tyrone cheated in 95 also

homerjay2005 wrote: »

how so?

From our friends in Meath .. I'd assume that Tyrone were cheated out of the '95 Final...

iDave · 18-09-2014 2:33pm

DoctaDee wrote: »

From our friends in Meath .. I'd assume that Tyrone were cheated out of the '95 Final...

That's what I meant

Alvin Holler · 18-09-2014 2:40pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Lies, damned lies and statistics my man. Between 1968 and 1991 only 2 ulster teams even reached the final because they were being beaten, well beaten in many cases in semi finals. As for the "Kerry struggling with Ulster teams" myth...record in c/ship since 2000 is as follows.
Kerry v Ulster teams:
Played 16
Won 9
Drawn 1
Lost 6

That includes beating Armagh twice and Tyrone.

ah but you didn't mention you're 0% record versus Donegal

Anyway, most GAA "stats" that are quoted are pointless as they are based on too small a sample size.

homerjay2005 · 18-09-2014 2:44pm

DoctaDee wrote: »

From our friends in Meath .. I'd assume that Tyrone were cheated out of the '95 Final...

Dublin won in 1995....how were Tyrone cheated out of it?????

DoctaDee · 18-09-2014 2:46pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Dublin won in 1995....how were Tyrone cheated out of it?????

Eh dunno tbh

.....

Ollieboy · 18-09-2014 2:46pm

opiniated wrote: »

I think both games will be hard fought, tbh. Only time will tell.

I agree that Kerry are a growing side - but are you perhaps forgetting tht Donegal also have a couple of new players?
I wont say that Donegal are a team fully developed, for that reason - but I suspect that Kerry next year will be an even bigger threat than Kerry this year - and that is in no way underestimating the threat that Kerry pose this year.

For the senior title, we will see a face-off between two of the most dynamic young managers GAA has seen in years (imo).
I fully expect both of them to pull a masterclass in strategy.
The only question is - who will outmanoeuvre who?

The other great question, as always - is how refereeing decisions will pan out , and possible injuries (Hopefully, none.)

Bring young players into a establish team is different to a team with a new style, new manager and a lot of new players in the panel. Also, JM is 4 years in the job, he knows how to get each player ready for the game, how they will handle the big day and if they don't he know's how to change it. JM will have no guess work on the day and it will be very exact ABC Plan. Can we say the same about Kerry who beat a very poor Cork team and a Mayo team who collapsed and didn't really want to lose 3 AI in a row. Kerry will not be allowed soft goals like they got against Mayo.

But it's Kerry and that is the great unknown.

But this will be the last time for some of the Donegal players and I think they are very hungry to be known as a great team that won 2 AI, which puts you up there with the greats of the game.

In 2012, I felt that Donegal could have won 3 AI in a row, except for the small panel, that's how much Donegal were ahead of everyone else in 2012. I now expect and hope it will be 2 out of 3 AI.

I just don't believe this Kerry team is ready to win a AI. But they will be back.

homerjay2005 · 18-09-2014 2:47pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Lies, damned lies and statistics my man. Between 1968 and 1991 only 2 ulster teams even reached the final because they were being beaten, well beaten in many cases in semi finals. As for the "Kerry struggling with Ulster teams" myth...record in c/ship since 2000 is as follows.
Kerry v Ulster teams:
Played 16
Won 9
Drawn 1
Lost 6

That includes beating Armagh twice and Tyrone.

what ever about 1968 to 1991, youve completely ignored the fact that theyve won 9 of the 11 finals they have appeared in since then.

Something about Ulster teams and the way they prepare for and go about finals.

ciarriaithuaidh · 18-09-2014 2:48pm

DoctaDee wrote: »

Eh dunno tbh .....

There was an incorrect free given against Tyrone in last minute for a pick off the ground which wasn't..they had just kicked equaliser.
Might have snatched a draw but weren't exactly cheated..they were relying solely on Canavan in those days.

ciarriaithuaidh · 18-09-2014 2:54pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

what ever about 1968 to 1991, youve completely ignored the fact that theyve won 9 of the 11 finals they have appeared in since then.

Something about Ulster teams and the way they prepare for and go about finals.

Why the focus on just finals? What about the 9 years Ulster teams were beaten in semi finals or the 2 years there was NO Ulster team in the semi finals? (2006 and 2007)...

DoctaDee · 18-09-2014 2:54pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

There was an incorrect free given against Tyrone in last minute for a pick off the ground which wasn't..they had just kicked equaliser.
Might have snatched a draw but weren't exactly cheated..they were relying solely on Canavan in those days.

Certainly wouldn't disagree with anything you have there .. speaking as someone who walked out on the losing side of 2 AI and a SF in 3 years I gladly take the '95 win

2moreMinutes · 18-09-2014 3:00pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Why the focus on just finals? What about the 9 years Ulster teams were beaten in semi finals or the 2 years there was NO Ulster team in the semi finals? (2006 and 2007)...

His point was finals which is why I'd assume he didn't focus on semi-finals because, ya know, it's irrelevant to the point.

Donegal have a 100% win rate in finals btw. It's gonna be a sad day when we lose that record

Ollieboy · 18-09-2014 3:01pm

2moreMinutes wrote: »

His point was finals which is why I'd assume he didn't focus on semi-finals because, ya know, it's irrelevant to the point.

Donegal have a 100% win rate in finals btw. It's gonna be a sad day when we lose that record

All 2 finals to be honest.

I told a Kerry friend that we never loss a final to his amazement and he went and told his mates who all laugh and call him a eejit, "they've only being in 2".

homerjay2005 · 18-09-2014 3:03pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Why the focus on just finals? What about the 9 years Ulster teams were beaten in semi finals or the 2 years there was NO Ulster team in the semi finals? (2006 and 2007)...

because in case you missed it, theres a final on Sunday. something that Ulster teams seem to revel in.

2moreMinutes · 18-09-2014 3:05pm

Ollieboy wrote: »

All 2 finals to be honest.

I told a Kerry friend that we never loss a final to his amazement and he went and told his mates who all laugh and call him a eejit, "they've only being in 2".

100% still looks very good though. Statistics are great until someone ruins then by looking at the figures behind them!

keane2097 · 18-09-2014 3:07pm

Realistically, Ulster-this, tradition-that is all rubbish going into this game.

The two managers involved, the two teams involved, none of that other stuff will make the least bit of difference to these two set ups.

Neither side are going to be ambushed, nobody is going to be taking anything for granted, the winner here will be the best set up on the day.

If Donegal win the last reason they'll do it is because of which imaginary line the British drew them into hundreds of years ago FFS.

nicepoint · 18-09-2014 3:18pm

Whatever happens on Sunday will have nothing to do with previous semi's/finals, Ulster V Kerry crap or whatever else!!
It will be about two teams believing they can win and it should result in a fearsome battle.
WHoever wins the minor game will give that County supporters a big lift before the senior match maybe even feeding onto the players.
This week must be the slowest week ever in terms of waiting for this match but i'm sure it will all be worth it come Sunday.
Best of luck to Donegal on Sunday in both matches but as a Kerryman I would hope we do the business, it would be a fabulous acheivment for this Kerry team to win and not because of this 'transition' term been thrown around but because nobody both within or outside the County gave them a hope in hell (me included) .

Kerry team named tonight, Is the Donegal team ?

K-9 · 18-09-2014 3:32pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

what ever about 1968 to 1991, youve completely ignored the fact that theyve won 9 of the 11 finals they have appeared in since then.

Something about Ulster teams and the way they prepare for and go about finals.

In fairness Ulster couldn't really lose in 03! :eek:

I suppose when you take away Antrim, Monaghan and Cavan (I wouldn't read too much into Munster teams outside the big two)who wouldn't be at Donegals level or indeed Tyrone and Armagh before that, the record is poor enough. The Down hoodoo as well.

Kerry beat Armagh in a Q/F and Tyrone in a Qualifier in Kerry, IIRC Derry in 01 was the last time Kerry beat an Ulster team in a S/F or final.

Anyway, hardly that important for Sunday!

ciarriaithuaidh · 18-09-2014 3:42pm

K-9 wrote: »

In fairness Ulster couldn't really lose in 03! :eek:

I suppose when you take away Antrim, Monaghan and Cavan (I wouldn't read too much into Munster teams outside the big two)who wouldn't be at Donegals level or indeed Tyrone and Armagh before that, the record is poor enough. The Down hoodoo as well.

Kerry beat Armagh in a Q/F and Tyrone in a Qualifier in Kerry, IIRC Derry in 01 was the last time Kerry beat an Ulster team in a S/F or final.

Anyway, hardly that important for Sunday!

Kerry beat Derry in 2004 Semi.
Beat Armagh in 2006 1/4 final (as huge underdogs)
Monaghan in 2007 1/4 final.
Cavan in 2013 1/4 final.

keane2097 · 18-09-2014 3:43pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Kerry beat Derry in 2004 Semi.
Beat Armagh in 2006 1/4 final (as huge underdogs)
Monaghan in 2007 1/4 final.
Cavan in 2013 1/4 final.

The same way Mayo are bottlers, the only games between Kerry and Ulster teams that matter are the ones they lost.

K-9 · 18-09-2014 4:52pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Kerry beat Derry in 2004 Semi.
Beat Armagh in 2006 1/4 final (as huge underdogs)
Monaghan in 2007 1/4 final.
Cavan in 2013 1/4 final.

Famous win over Antrim as well in the Qualifiers.

Paranoid Mandroid · 18-09-2014 5:29pm

When will the replay be on? ;-) draw must be good bet at 8/1

Alvin Holler · 18-09-2014 7:06pm

Paranoid Mandroid wrote: »

When will the replay be on? ;-) draw must be good bet at 8/1

Yeah, it looks tempting. No replay since 2000, 3 out of the last 4 finals decided by a point.

agfasfos · 18-09-2014 8:20pm

Alvin Holler wrote: »

Yeah, it looks tempting. No replay since 2000, 3 out of the last 4 finals decided by a point.

If a replay is needed I believe October 4th is the date set.

curry-muff · 18-09-2014 9:27pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

there wouldnt be many donegal people posting on here to be fair and kerry people while theres more than Donegal, are not exactly taking over the place either!

That's because this forum is a biased hole lol, controlled by a circle jerk of Dubs who get away with posting abuse and utter nonsense the past few years. Donegal fans got a serious slating on here for the past few years and mods did nothing about it, most headed off to hoganstand forum, which to be honest isn't much better.

We enjoy the silence this time, it means we don't have to listen to the masses whine about our style of play despite us already proving that it works, most will just cling on to Spillane and co's words on the migthy RTE. At least Brolly has been giving some positive PR for us recently :pac:

Looking forward to the final on Sunday, lucky to get lower hogan/cusack as apparently a high % of Donegals tickets were for the hill. Should be a great encounter, and as the bookies suggest it really is as tight as 8/11 - 13/8, Donegal as marginal favourites and just that.

I'm more worried about the Kerry game than I was for the Dublin game to be honest, I always had the feeling we would at least sneak it against the Dubs, I read a good article leading up to it about Dublins record against blanket defences and how they never faced a proper one in 2013. Kerry wont have this problem with the accuracy of their kick passes I dont think.

I do think it's a bit disrespectful to have O Donoghue as such a strong favourite for POTY, Murphy and Ryan Mc Hugh have been outstanding for us this year regardless of which position they have been forced to play. Big Neil has been dominating midfield battles that nobody had expected him to win and to be honest I had a bit of a chuckle at people saying on here that McGee wont be anywhere near as tough an opponent as Higgins is, and that Higgins is better than any Donegal back.

As already echoed here, there is very little animosity between the two sides so both will be going in with the utmost respect for each other, should be some spectacle. May the best team win

aveytare · 18-09-2014 10:47pm

homerjay2005 wrote: »

what ever about 1968 to 1991, youve completely ignored the fact that theyve won 9 of the 11 finals they have appeared in since then.

Something about Ulster teams and the way they prepare for and go about finals.

I think Ulster fans bring a great atmosphere on all-ireland final day. I don't know if it has any impact but it can't hurt. Maybe I'm wrong but it looked like Kerry were outnumbered in 2002, 2005, 2008 - at least on the hill anyway. Then again it's easy to read too much into finals Kerry have lost.

happyoutscan · 18-09-2014 11:00pm

My thinking is that Donegal will win handy, by 7 or more.

Stinicker · 18-09-2014 11:15pm

happyoutscan wrote: »

My thinking is that Donegal will win handy, by 7 or more.

They will be lucky if they will win at all, only for a soft goal in 2012 Kerry would have gotten the better of them.

Cartel Mike · 18-09-2014 11:55pm

Stinicker wrote: »

They will be lucky if they will win at all, only for a soft goal in 2012 Kerry would have gotten the better of them.

Galvin & O'Shea both publicly said that Donegal were the better team in the week after. that match but sure what would they know .... they were only on the pitch that day

The_Honeybadger · 19-09-2014 1:14am

Stinicker wrote: »

They will be lucky if they will win at all, only for a soft goal in 2012 Kerry would have gotten the better of them.

We were well beaten that day, Donegal were on a mission in 2012 and their name was on Sam.

I'm more hopeful for Sunday but it really is impossible to call.

aveytare · 19-09-2014 1:42am

mickeyk wrote: »

We were well beaten that day, Donegal were on a mission in 2012 and their name was on Sam.

I'm more hopeful for Sunday but it really is impossible to call.

Donegal were the better team that day but you's were still very close to getting a replay.

Nidgeweasel · 19-09-2014 1:52am

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Kerry beat Derry in 2004 Semi.

Thankfully. We came abit too close to a Derry v Fermanagh final for my liking. Had that come to pass I'd have been forced to emigrate, to Mars.

DoctaDee · 19-09-2014 9:25am

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/man-spotted-trying-to-spy-on-closed-kerry-training-session-from-tree-30599503.html ...

let the war games begin

iDave · 19-09-2014 9:27am

DoctaDee wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/man-spotted-trying-to-spy-on-closed-kerry-training-session-from-tree-30599503.html ...

let the war games begin

Sounds like an awful movie script.

The man was noticed by Kerry officials after they heard branches breaking and the rustle of a palm tree which overlooked the main pitch, the Irish Examiner reported.
One of the Kerry back room staff approached the man but he ran off before anyone could speak to him.
However, it is believed that he left an item behind him, with ID in it. The man is said to be living in Killarney but is not a native of Kerry.

DoctaDee · 19-09-2014 9:32am

iDave wrote: »

Sounds like an awful movie script.

I'm thinking double agent meself ... can't take these things at face value, not after The Usual Suspects .. anythings possible !

2moreMinutes · 19-09-2014 10:42am

I know it's way off-topic but does anyone know how I can replace my drivers licence at very short notice? I was down in Killarney for a few days holidays and seem to have lost it in bushes while out hiking.

DoctaDee · 19-09-2014 10:45am

2moreMinutes wrote: »

I know it's way off-topic but does anyone know how I can replace my drivers licence at very short notice? I was down in Killarney for a few days holidays and seem to have lost it in bushes while out hiking.

There's a lost property section in the Kerry County Board if you' wanna try them ..

Kerry v Donegal All Ireland football final 2014 - Mod warning Post #598

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