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Cork City Bus Network changes

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  • 13-07-2012 12:19pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭


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    As you can see some changes are being made to the routes in the City bus network as well as some suburban services subsumed into the city. This will include Ballincollig and Carraigaline in the near future as well as Glanmire.

    as of now, the main changes are the death of the 210 to be replaced with the new 215 - Cloghroe/Blarney - Mahon Point and the extended 216 - CUH via Glasheen - Mount Oval. These are scheduled to start on the 22nd of July.

    The 216 brings later services past 8pm to Mount Oval for the first time while Blarney becomes part of the city network for the first time.

    Haven't heard anything yet about the fare structure for the longer routes yet, but something might be done if the rumour that the Ballincollig 232 and the Carraigaline 222 will be merged into a single city service turns into reality.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental




  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭cabincrewifly


    Atleast on the new ''215'' we will get extra Sunday services. It was a disgrace before they weren't even hourly sometimes. Now to adjust the airport service on Sunday and that would be perfect!


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,253 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I could have done with this when I was checking routes on the NTA journey planner. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭CIE


    Network Direct for Cork?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    CIE wrote: »
    Network Direct for Cork?

    something similar alright I'd say, though nothing has been publicized about it really.

    some other possible route changes could be the 206 and 221 merge to form a new 206 from Glanmire - Grange and a marathon route merger of the 232 and 222 from Ballincollig - Carraigaline/Crosshaven.

    the irish road transport forum is a mine of information for this to be fair. I'm just passing it along here.

    New 215 timetable

    New 216 timetable


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  • Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭cabincrewifly


    The only thing I'd be worried about for eg the new 215 would be delays....trying to make it back from Blarney through Merchants Quay and out to Mahon Point at peak hours won't be fun!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    This is great news for bus users in Cork. Despite some new routes and fleet renewal over the past decade or so, the archaic, confused nature of the citys bus routes have really held BE back.

    The gradual expansion of later last buses such as on the 205 is most welcomed.

    The merger of the 222/232 into, hopefully, a proper city route complete with city buses and frequencies is long overdue. It's quite an oddity that two of Cork's largest suburban towns* have had such poor timetabled services, more suited to the peripheral towns of the Cork metropolitan area then 2 suburbs with a combined population well in excess of 30k.

    The next trick now is to somehow shoehorn Glanmire into the city network.

    * Speaking of which, whatever happened to the proposed Ballincollig town bus service that was mooted around 2005/06? obviously its not been followed through but was it just an idea or was it ever fleshed out as an idea?


  • Registered Users Posts: 848 ✭✭✭thejuggler


    Any timeframe or details on proposed changes to the 232 Ballincollig route? Will city route status mean reduced pricing? Its a popular route and reduced fare costs would make it even more appealing. Bus Eireann could boost efficiency by routing it via the straight road though. Model farm road is well served by existing 205 route


  • Registered Users Posts: 848 ✭✭✭thejuggler


    * Speaking of which, whatever happened to the proposed Ballincollig town bus service that was mooted around 2005/06? obviously its not been followed through but was it just an idea or was it ever fleshed out as an idea?


    I remember that being announced. It was due to be introduced when the green route were completed but it never happened. I presume giving 232 city route status will be the next best thing (although routing along model farm road adds about ten minutes to the journey)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    thejuggler wrote: »
    Any timeframe or details on proposed changes to the 232 Ballincollig route? Will city route status mean reduced pricing? Its a popular route and reduced fare costs would make it even more appealing. Bus Eireann could boost efficiency by routing it via the straight road though. Model farm road is well served by existing 205 route

    nothing concrete for that I'm afraid, maybe before the end of the year.

    while I agree with you on Model Farm Rd, it is useful to run some services there for CIT students from Ballincollig. perhaps they could run a couple of morning and evening services through there for CIT & CUH commuters. Everything else should run on the straight road though. The bus lanes on that stretch aren't used often enough.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 78,253 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Don't some route 232 services already use the Carrigrohane Road?

    The route does seem to be a mess though, with too many sub-routes.

    Question: some departures are shown as not serving Ballincollig village - is this correct? For example, the 0630 from Cork serves Model Farm Road and Ballincollig West (Classes Lake) and the 0900 serves Carrigrohane and Ballincollig West (Classes Lake). Surely these should serve the village?

    http://www.buseireann.ie/pdf/1316184312-232.pdf

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    no, they all definitely serve the village I think that's just an oversight on the part of BE!

    some services use the straight road, but not enough in my opinion would be about 2/5th of the total journeys going the straight road which is significantly faster than Model Farm rd.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    I still think Cork's bus network needs to be devolved like Dublin Bus.

    It's utterly bizarre to have a fairly large urban transit system operated remotely as part of a long-distance bus company.

    It should be Cork Bus or something.

    Or better again, a fully integrated single brand for Cork Bus and Commuter Rail with a single ticketing system built on Leap cards.

    I know the term CATS is used by the City Council. Cork Area Transit System.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭CIE


    Solair wrote: »
    I still think Cork's bus network needs to be devolved like Dublin Bus.

    It's utterly bizarre to have a fairly large urban transit system operated remotely as part of a long-distance bus company.

    It should be Cork Bus or something.

    Or better again, a fully integrated single brand for Cork Bus and Commuter Rail with a single ticketing system built on Leap cards.

    I know the term CATS is used by the City Council. Cork Area Transit System.
    ...and what will that achieve except more taxpayer money blown on non-operational fluff and jobs for warm bodies?

    By "devolve" I would have thought that something like the private operations in Waterford (JJ Kavanagh, former Kenneally) was meant. Certainly back in Dublin, it has not been the case that any private operators have taken over bus operations that Dublin Bus have abandoned via Network Direct (not permitted? obstructed? I wonder if we'll ever know).


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,535 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    The gradual expansion of later last buses such as on the 205 is most welcomed.

    What was not to be welcomed though was the recent (unannounced) addition of an extra 10 minute wait on Patrick St for the 205 (for no apparent reason) when heading towards the station. Means most commuters can now not make trains they used to - so must leave work earlier, or get a later train.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Presumably it has extra running time due to problems with late running under he old timetable?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    CIE wrote: »
    ...and what will that achieve except more taxpayer money blown on non-operational fluff and jobs for warm bodies?

    By "devolve" I would have thought that something like the private operations in Waterford (JJ Kavanagh, former Kenneally) was meant. Certainly back in Dublin, it has not been the case that any private operators have taken over bus operations that Dublin Bus have abandoned via Network Direct (not permitted? obstructed? I wonder if we'll ever know).

    It would mean that routes could be put out to tender under a common brand with a common payment system and it would also mean that the City Council or some local transit body could take over the planning and management of the system. This is the norm in most countries.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,469 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Solair wrote: »
    It would mean that routes could be put out to tender under a common brand with a common payment system and it would also mean that the City Council or some local transit body could take over the planning and management of the system. This is the norm in most countries.

    +1 This is what Cork badly needs. The current arrangement is awful and unworkable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭Namlub


    nothing concrete for that I'm afraid, maybe before the end of the year.

    while I agree with you on Model Farm Rd, it is useful to run some services there for CIT students from Ballincollig. perhaps they could run a couple of morning and evening services through there for CIT & CUH commuters. Everything else should run on the straight road though. The bus lanes on that stretch aren't used often enough.
    This. I get the bus to work and it's 5-10 minutes late most days anyway, and when it's going the Model Farm Road way that adds an extra 10-15 minutes because it ends up stopping at stops served by the 208 all the way into town.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    I would like to see some 'thru-tickeing' in Cork too.

    Or, as is done in many continental cities your ticket does point A to point B (as printed on the ticket) and a 30 or 60 minute connection too.

    Is it possible to buy a single ticket that would take you from say Douglas to CIT using a combination of busses?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    Solair, you can get a daysaver ticket for city services for 4.40 that works for the entire day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    Solair, you can get a daysaver ticket for city services for 4.40 that works for the entire day.

    Yeah but that's still not very good if you want to just get from point A to point B via the "network".
    It's not actually a "network" at all. It's just a collection of individual unconnected bus lines.

    Almost every other city I've ever been in, including some fairly small ones like La Rochelle, Pamplona and elsewhere *ALL* have electronic ticketing (smart cards) and fully flexible ticketing allowing all sorts of connections.

    The fact that in 2012 that Bus Eireann can't manage anything other than cash fares and a few manual bus passes in Cork is nothing short of disgraceful.

    At this stage, they'd want to be considering something like Leap + Visa / Mastercard contactless payments at the door.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    although if I'm being mischievous.. you can get from Douglas to CIT by only using one bus :P

    i take your point though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,546 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Really you're talking about BE having a DB "Travel 90" style ticket.

    I don't know how capable or not BE ticket machines are for smartcards, but given LEAP is going to extend to it in the medium term, it could be something that may be in the pipeline.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    tbf I'm not sure if Cork's urban bus service is big enough for a travel 90 style ticket. even just a thru-ticket or ticket transfer system would be good.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    any more news on this ? ballincollig ticket gone up to 6.40 for a return,****ing joke :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    apparently the Ballincollig-Carraigaline route will have the number 217. not sure when that kicks in though.

    249 will be 218. I think that's the kinsale route if I'm not mistaken.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    My biggest concern with the bus service at the moment is the way alot of commuter towns arent included in the monthly ticket............
    Ok as far as i know ballincollig and carrigaline are ... i may be corrected on this.
    But Carrigtwohill isnt ? Carrigtwohill is a major employment spot with the industrial estates and if you dont drive its ridiciulous expensive to get the bus service to it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    My biggest concern with the bus service at the moment is the way alot of commuter towns arent included in the monthly ticket............
    Ok as far as i know ballincollig and carrigaline are ... i may be corrected on this.
    But Carrigtwohill isnt ? Carrigtwohill is a major employment spot with the industrial estates and if you dont drive its ridiciulous expensive to get the bus service to it.

    there's a combined midleton rail & bus monthly commuter ticket that includes carraigtwohill.

    because of that (more expensive) ticket, they won't extend the cheaper suburban bus ticket to there!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,515 ✭✭✭Outkast_IRE


    there's a combined midleton rail & bus monthly commuter ticket that includes carraigtwohill.

    because of that (more expensive) ticket, they won't extend the cheaper suburban bus ticket to there!
    The location of the rail station in relation to the ida park is a ridiculous joke........ the rail line passes through one of the biggest emplyoment spots for many miles around and they didnt build a station there....... even though the ida wanted them to put a stop there.... they said they would do it soon... still waiting.

    From the IDA to the current rail station is a good 25 minute walk if not more and the fecking line goes through the IDA park. :D

    The monthly rail and bus midelton ticket is €40 more than the city and suburban ticket..... real scam i think and only druming themselves out of business. With regards to carrigtwohill anyway.
    Carigtwohill IDA is only just beyond little island really.


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