Chris Brown at the Grammys

Dolbert · 13-02-2012 11:46pm

His comeback has sickened me, truth be told. At the time, I really thought his career was over. Here's a great article about the whole thing.

“We’re glad to have him back,” said executive producer Ken Ehrlich. “I think people deserve a second chance, you know. If you’ll note, he has not been on the Grammys for the past few years and it may have taken us a while to kind of get over the fact that we were the victim of what happened.”

Read that quote again. Think hard about what is being said. Here is what this quote says to any woman who’s ever been abused:
By blacklisting Chris Brown from the Grammys for a “few” years (actually, a grand total of TWO Grammy Awards), the Grammys have gone above and beyond expectations for the social exile of an adult man who hit his girlfriend so hard she went to the hospital, and honestly it was really, really hard for them to show even that much support for victims of domestic violence worldwide.

It was rather thoughtless of Rihanna to go and get herself hit in the face by her boyfriend, because it’s put such a burden on the Grammys. Maybe if she hadn’t made such a big fuss out of it, things could have been easier for everyone.

The Grammys think that they were the victim of Chris Brown hitting Rihanna in the face.

The Grammys. Think. That they. Were the victim. Of Chris Brown. Hitting. Rihanna. In the face.

baby and crumble · 13-02-2012 11:51pm

Dolorous wrote: »

His comeback has sickened me, truth be told. At the time, I really thought his career was over. Here's a great article about the whole thing.

Yeah I have to admit I read that comment today from the Grammy organiser and did a definite facepalm.

Da Shins Kelly · 14-02-2012 2:52am

His career should be non-existent anyway due to the fact that his music's sh*t.

careymary · 14-02-2012 3:17am

I think that its so sad to see all the young girls tweeting and putting up Facebook status saying they would let Chris Brown beat them

I work in Domestic Violence services and as part of my work I go out to schools educating teenagers about healthy and unhealthy relationships, young impressionable girls are going to listen more to peers on social media than anything I would have to say

Truth of the matter is:
Teenage Girls face relationship violence 3 times more than adult women.
One in three teenagers have experienced violence in a dating relationship source: www.acadv.org

From both the groups I have run and Teenagers I have encountered, it has been my experience that like statistics on adult Domestic Abuse those statistics ring true for Ireland too.

It is sad to think Domestic Violence is going through a cool stage, doing so much damage to young adults way of thinking

OkayWhatever · 14-02-2012 3:19am

If people brought up my past everyday I'd feel I wouldn't be able to try fix things or make something of myself. He's gonna live with what he did for the rest of his life.

Yeah he beat up Rihanna, i'm sure he regrets and it was a mistake. I've made a million billion trillion mistakes, and if people brought them up every time I stepped outside my door, I wouldn't have done some of the things that i'm proud of because people would be focusing on the things I should be ashamed of. People make mistakes, life goes on.

OkayWhatever · 14-02-2012 4:00am

careymary wrote: »

I think that its so sad to see all the young girls tweeting and putting up Facebook status saying they would let Chris Brown beat them

I work in Domestic Violence services and as part of my work I go out to schools educating teenagers about healthy and unhealthy relationships, young impressionable girls are going to listen more to peers on social media than anything I would have to say

Truth of the matter is:
Teenage Girls face relationship violence 3 times more than adult women.
One in three teenagers have experienced violence in a dating relationship source: www.acadv.org

From both the groups I have run and Teenagers I have encountered, it has been my experience that like statistics on adult Domestic Abuse those statistics ring true for Ireland too.

It is sad to think Domestic Violence is going through a cool stage, doing so much damage to young adults way of thinking

I disagree. I was in an abusive relationship for 18months and I didn't just take it because it was 'cool' and it would make me 'cool'? I took it because I was trapped and scared. I don't know anybody who thinks getting beaten up is in anyway cool. Just because people don't report it doesn't mean that they like what's happening to them,I think it's because they'e afraid.

I'm 19, my friends are around the same age and we've had a discussion about domestic violence on many occasions. We have the code words to use when we need help and can't ask for it out straight.We have plans that we're going to use in case we ever find ourselves in a relationship that turns into a violent or abusive one in anyway. In case we need to get out and run away.

IMO, there's not enough information available for victims of Domestic Violence, I had no idea (still don't tbh) of any numbers I could call or any place I could go to if I needed help.

Domestic violence is not going through a cool phase in my opinion, it never will. People are just so uneducated and unaware about it.

I do honestly think you're a fantastic person for what you do. To go around schools and raise awareness, inform people that it's not right. Fair play and you should be proud of yourself. Because I wish somebody told me, and you're helping a lot of people.

CaliforniaDream · 14-02-2012 5:40am

Kooli wrote: »

It's not about crucifying him for his whole life. I don't think he has been crucified by anyone. At all. For ANY length of time.

He was never villified for this! OK yes he was by lots of strangers on the internet, great. But not by the people in power, the people with influence.

First you say this. And then when someone points out that he was dealt with by authorities (people in power), you say this:

Kooli wrote: »

I'm not that bothered about how much punishment he gets from the legal system in America.

And then you ask afterwards again, having acknowledged the post on his sentence:

Kooli wrote: »

What price did he pay for it?

Kooli wrote: »

So I do find it a bit weird to compare Chris Brown beating up his girlfriend with Cheryl Cole assaulting someone in a nightclub. Does no one else see them as different? That to me would be more worrying...

And anyway, the reason I brought this to the Ladies Lounge rather than AH or anywhere else, is because I am looking at the gender issues at play in this situation (and these don't apply in Cheryl's situation).

I'm curious as to how you view the Chris Brown and Ceryl Cole incidences as different? Is it based only on the fact that he's a guy who hit a women?
The two crimes are alike imo. Person hits person.

Both have done very well to come back from their mistakes. I'm not a fan of either but I don't see the point in vilifying them forever over one mistake.
It was a stupid thing to do on both their behalf but they have paid the price deemed acceptable to the authorities.

The one thing that I remember, and I'm open to correction here, is that Chris Brown seemed to face his crime and was willing to do what was asked in his sentence. He didn't hide away from the fact of try and make it less of a big deal.
He did something horrible, acknowledged it, served his sentence and is trying to move on.

If reports are to be believed, Rhianna herself has forgiven him. If the victim can forgive then I see no reason why others can't.

I'm female if it matters to you.

Maple · 14-02-2012 1:06pm

Honestly it disgusted me to see him celebrated. It baffled me that he could do that to Rihanna and then two years later be lauded by his peers.

However that's my emotive reasoning.

Logically, he committed his crime and did his time. The slate has to be wiped clean now.

tiny_penguin · 14-02-2012 1:16pm

OkayWhatever wrote: »

I disagree. I was in an abusive relationship for 18months and I didn't just take it because it was 'cool' and it would make me 'cool'? I took it because I was trapped and scared. I don't know anybody who thinks getting beaten up is in anyway cool. Just because people don't report it doesn't mean that they like what's happening to them,I think it's because they'e afraid.

I'm 19, my friends are around the same age and we've had a discussion about domestic violence on many occasions. We have the code words to use when we need help and can't ask for it out straight.We have plans that we're going to use in case we ever find ourselves in a relationship that turns into a violent or abusive one in anyway. In case we need to get out and run away.

IMO, there's not enough information available for victims of Domestic Violence, I had no idea (still don't tbh) of any numbers I could call or any place I could go to if I needed help.

Domestic violence is not going through a cool phase in my opinion, it never will. People are just so uneducated and unaware about it.

I do honestly think you're a fantastic person for what you do. To go around schools and raise awareness, inform people that it's not right. Fair play and you should be proud of yourself. Because I wish somebody told me, and you're helping a lot of people.

I think the major problem with it is demonstrated by that link that shows however many teenage girls saying they would be ok with someone like Chris Brown beating them. This shows that in the public eye his actions really have not received enough negative press. While legally he has served his time (well not yet, he is still on probation) but I think it would do the world of good for him to acknowledge the attitudes of these teenagers as wrong. He should be allowed get on with his life but he has chosen a career in the public eye and he should take a little bit more responsibility for the results of his behaviour. And if there was a huge amount of young impressionable girls posting about how committing and racially targeted assault was cool to be like Cheryl Cole, I would have the same opinion on her responsibility to make a public statement that this attitude is not ok.

I understand that Rihanna probably does not want to make her whole career about this, and just forget it like so many other women in her situation. But while releasing songs like 'Love the Way You Lie' and 'S&M', while not really making a statement about how awful his actions were she is sending mixed messages to young impressionable people which I dont think is hugely responsible.

careymary · 14-02-2012 1:41pm

OkayWhatever wrote: »

I disagree. I was in an abusive relationship for 18months and I didn't just take it because it was 'cool' and it would make me 'cool'? I took it because I was trapped and scared. I don't know anybody who thinks getting beaten up is in anyway cool. Just because people don't report it doesn't mean that they like what's happening to them,I think it's because they'e afraid.

Domestic violence is not going through a cool phase in my opinion, it never will. People are just so uneducated and unaware about it.

Apologies firstly if my post came across that I thought people would stay in an abusive relationship because they thought it was cool, I in no way meant that.
I understand there are very complex dynamics to an abusive relationship and that leaving is not an easy option

I agree that majority of people are uneducated and unaware of & about abusive relationships, often even people in abusive relationships are uncertain and doubt themselves about what is happening. Abusers are clever and minimise what they are doing, in order to continue doing it.

I find it really disturbing that things I have heard from some of the students I have encountered since the whole Chris Brown/ Rhiannon thing, things guys have said has been along the lines of well he hit her and she is one of the hottest women so why shouldnt I do it? Girls must like it
Girls have said if even Rhiannon's bf hits her we cant expect our boyfriend to be an angel, you have to put up with some stuff

From what I am seeing in schools a lot of girls now expect to be mistreated in some way and a lot of guys think it ok to be "a bad boy" as they see it. There are people justifying both their actions and their behaviours based on both what was reported about that incident and the hype that has followed.

Rhiannon and Chris Brown are seen as cool figures in the media, if violence towards a partner is part of their lives, sadly some people do see it as made acceptable on a level, and very sadly some abusers are saying that its "hot " and "cool" and "edgy"

There is a certain permissiveness about seeing figures who act that way (Chris Brown) in the spot light,
When I state that violence or abuse towards a partner is never acceptable, some boys have been honest and said they want to push boundaries more because things "arent as black and white as that anymore"

drkpower · 14-02-2012 2:46pm

CaliforniaDream wrote: »

I'm curious as to how you view the Chris Brown and Ceryl Cole incidences as different? Is it based only on the fact that he's a guy who hit a women?
The two crimes are alike imo. Person hits person.

Im quite surprised at the fact that this viewpoint has gained quite a bit of traction (anywhere, but on this forum especially).

While (almost) all violence is apalling, there is an obvious & very signifcant difference between violence within a relationship and violence outside a relationship. The former involves not only the violent act itself but the breach in trust that comes along with it. The latter is often far more difficult to get over than the former.

While female-on-male domestic violence is truly reprehensible, I would certainly view male-on-female domestic violence as being (marginally) worse, as the degree of trust a woman places in a man for physical security is typically greater than the reverse.

As for Chris Brown, if he is truly remorseful and if the Rohanna-incident was truly a once-off, then he should be entitled to some kind of redemption. If not, and there is some evidence for why not, then he should not be welcomed back into the fold.

Dolbert · 14-02-2012 2:52pm

drkpower wrote: »

Im quite surprised at the fact that this viewpoint has gained quite a bit of traction (anywhere, but on this forum especially).

While (almost) all violence is apalling, there is an obvious & very signifcant difference between violence within a relationship and violence outside a relationship. The former involves not only the violent act itself but the breach in trust that comes along with it. The latter is often far more difficult to get over than the former.

While female-on-male domestic violence is truly reprehensible, I would certainly view male-on-female domestic violence as being (marginally) worse, as the degree of trust a woman places in a man for physical security is typically greater than the reverse.

As for Chris Brown, if he is truly remorseful and if the Rohanna-incident was truly a once-off, then he should be entitled to some kind of redemption. If not, and there is some evidence for why not, then he should not be welcomed back into the fold.

I have to agree here. His 'apology' was a joke.

Park Royal · 14-02-2012 3:05pm

Young peoples brains are not fully formed until mid twenties....

Lets hope it was a one off incident, but he now has history, regretfully.

Appears to have had a very busy life so far....

His father had something to do with prisons....?

Honey-ec · 14-02-2012 3:23pm

As a wiser soul than me said on Facebook yesterday, the only way Adele could be more popular is if she stuffed all her Grammies into a pillowcase and beat the sh1t out of Chris Brown with them...

MrStuffins · 14-02-2012 4:34pm

Honey-ec wrote: »

As a wiser soul than me said on Facebook yesterday, the only way Adele could be more popular is if she stuffed all her Grammies into a pillowcase and beat the sh1t out of Chris Brown with them...

Chris Brown beating a woman = kill his career!

A woman beating Chris Brown with a bag full of metal = More popularity!

Kooli · 14-02-2012 4:40pm

careymary wrote: »

Apologies firstly if my post came across that I thought people would stay in an abusive relationship because they thought it was cool, I in no way meant that.
I understand there are very complex dynamics to an abusive relationship and that leaving is not an easy option

I agree that majority of people are uneducated and unaware of & about abusive relationships, often even people in abusive relationships are uncertain and doubt themselves about what is happening. Abusers are clever and minimise what they are doing, in order to continue doing it.

I find it really disturbing that things I have heard from some of the students I have encountered since the whole Chris Brown/ Rhiannon thing, things guys have said has been along the lines of well he hit her and she is one of the hottest women so why shouldnt I do it? Girls must like it
Girls have said if even Rhiannon's bf hits her we cant expect our boyfriend to be an angel, you have to put up with some stuff

From what I am seeing in schools a lot of girls now expect to be mistreated in some way and a lot of guys think it ok to be "a bad boy" as they see it. There are people justifying both their actions and their behaviours based on both what was reported about that incident and the hype that has followed.

Rhiannon and Chris Brown are seen as cool figures in the media, if violence towards a partner is part of their lives, sadly some people do see it as made acceptable on a level, and very sadly some abusers are saying that its "hot " and "cool" and "edgy"

There is a certain permissiveness about seeing figures who act that way (Chris Brown) in the spot light,
When I state that violence or abuse towards a partner is never acceptable, some boys have been honest and said they want to push boundaries more because things "arent as black and white as that anymore"

Wow that's some scary stuff.

I think it does blur the boundaries when people aren't unequivocal in their criticism of someone in the public eye who does something like this.

And as that article demonstrates, people were not unequivocal. They were half-arsed. And then he gets a hero's welcome on his return. He never really became 'uncool', and that's a powerful message. You can beat your woman and still be cool as long as...um...time passes?

MrStuffins · 14-02-2012 5:20pm

Kooli wrote: »

Wow that's some scary stuff.

I think it does blur the boundaries when people aren't unequivocal in their criticism of someone in the public eye who does something like this.

And as that article demonstrates, people were not unequivocal. They were half-arsed. And then he gets a hero's welcome on his return. He never really became 'uncool', and that's a powerful message. You can beat your woman and still be cool as long as...um...time passes?

Listen, this thread has gone on for 5 whole pages already and you STILL won't listen to anyone but yourself.

He WAS uncool! His career was almost over! It seems that you say something, people point out that what you said isn't entirely true and give you links, quotes, everything you need to realise that what you're saying isn't accurate.............. and you completely ignore it and say the same thing a few posts later!

Listen, once again, can I ask you, what exactly is it you think should be happening? What do you think is appropriate? He did what he did, he apologised to Rihanna (and she forgave him), he apologised to the public, he got a 5 year suspended sentence, he did community service, he attended counselling, he went on TV to talk about the domestic violence with his MOTHER. He had promotional partners dump him, he has tours cancelled, gigs cancelled, if i'm not sure he was forced to downgrade his O2 Dublin show to Vicar Street due to so many people looking for refunds.......

What else do you think should've been done?

Gilldog · 14-02-2012 5:29pm

Kooli wrote: »

Wow that's some scary stuff.

I think it does blur the boundaries when people aren't unequivocal in their criticism of someone in the public eye who does something like this.

And as that article demonstrates, people were not unequivocal. They were half-arsed. And then he gets a hero's welcome on his return. He never really became 'uncool', and that's a powerful message. You can beat your woman and still be cool as long as...um...time passes?

I think people are entitled to engage in whatever criticism they deem appropriate. Just as you are clearly doing. This issue bothers you and you are entitled to that opinion. I am entitled to the opinion that he has done his time in accordance with the offence he commited. I happen to agree with rehabilitation. This does not mean I support violence against women or that I am somehow excusing what he did.

From the looks of it, you are more annoyed that people aren't as absolutely outraged as you about this.

Also, I think 'heroes welcome' is a bit much, he returned to his day job, which he should be entitled to do. As far as many people are concerned, he committed a crime, and was sentenced in a court of law. So long as he is abiding that sentence and as long as he behaves himself, he should be allowed to get on with his life... are you seriously suggesting that for the next 50 years people spit at him in the street?

Kooli · 14-02-2012 5:33pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

What else do you think should've been done?

I've already answered that!!

1) People in the music industry and in the media should have come out in force condemning what he did without reservation and supporting Rihanna without reservation (this didn't happen)

2) He shouldn't have been invited to perform at the Grammys

And it's not that I'm 'not listening', it's simply that I disagree!!

Kooli · 14-02-2012 5:41pm

Gilldog wrote: »

From the looks of it, you are more annoyed that people aren't as absolutely outraged as you about this.

Yes, well that's the whole point of my thread. Me feeling uncomfortable that people aren't bothered about his comeback.

But I'm more annoyed at people telling me I've no right to be annoyed than I am about other people not being annoyed!

Gilldog · 14-02-2012 5:48pm

Kooli wrote: »

Yes, well that's the whole point of my thread. Me feeling uncomfortable that people aren't bothered about his comeback.

But I'm more annoyed at people telling me I've no right to be annoyed than I am about other people not being annoyed!

I dont think anyone said that you have no right to be annoyed. Be annoyed all you like, just don't expect everyone to agree with you.

MrStuffins · 14-02-2012 5:50pm

Kooli wrote: »

I've already answered that!!

1) People in the music industry and in the media should have come out in force condemning what he did without reservation and supporting Rihanna without reservation (this didn't happen)

They did! Are you suggesting people in music were not on Rihanna's side?

2) He shouldn't have been invited to perform at the Grammys

And it's not that I'm 'not listening', it's simply that I disagree!!

Wow! So you think he shouldn't be allowed perform? That's ludicrous! You think because he did this to Rihanna he shouldn't be allowed work?

Do you think, for example, thatit would be a problem if he hadn't performed at this year's Grammys but at the 2022 Grammys?

Kooli · 14-02-2012 5:59pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

They did! Are you suggesting people in music were not on Rihanna's side?

Wow! So you think he shouldn't be allowed perform? That's ludicrous! You think because he did this to Rihanna he shouldn't be allowed work?

Do you think, for example, thatit would be a problem if he hadn't performed at this year's Grammys but at the 2022 Grammys?

Did you read the article I quoted about how the music industry responded? I don't know how to put it in a quote box but here you go:

"Carrie Underwood: “I don’t think anybody actually knows what happened. I have no advice.”

Lindsay Lohan: “I have no comment on that. That’s not my relationship. I think they’re both great people.”

Nia Long: “I know both of them well. They’re young, and all we can do is pray for them at this point.”

Mary J. Blige: “They’re both young and beautiful people, and that’s it.”

Jay-Z, one of Rihanna’s mentors, spoke up: “You have to have compassion for others. Just imagine it being your sister or mom and then think about how we should talk about that. I just think we should all support her.”

In a sane world, Jay-Z’s statement would sound insane. Why would he have to remind his fans to support Rihanna after what happened is that she got hit in the face?"

As for your second question, yes I do think it makes a big difference if he performs in 2012 (three years after it happened, while he is still under probation for the offence) or 2022 (thirteen years after it happened)

Kooli · 14-02-2012 6:04pm

And when Usher criticised him (in quite a tame manner), saying he thought it was inappropriate to have photos going around of him having fun on a jetski, HE (Usher) was made to publicly apologise because of the backlash!!

And yet Chris Brown's own apology amounted to saying that he was sorry and saddened about what had transpired. i.e. a totally passive non-apology.

He has never shown genuine remorse or taken full responsibility (although he has used the phrase 'I take full responsibility', he has said other things which show that he doesn't)

MrStuffins · 14-02-2012 6:04pm

Kooli wrote: »

As for your second question, yes I do think it makes a big difference if he performs in 2012 (three years after it happened, while he is still under probation for the offence) or 2022 (thirteen years after it happened)

So it's all about time then is it?

Isn't he still a woman beater 13 years later? Do you expect Mary J.Blige to have some out and condemned him by then? What will have changed exactly?

What you're saying here is, it's ok for him to have a comeback, as long as it's in your timeframe?

VagnerLove · 14-02-2012 6:06pm

some real crazy talk going on in this thread.

his career should be over? come on now. he made a horrible mistake and was rightly criticised. now people have done the normal thing and moved on. that doesn't condone what he did, it's just that people can hardly hold it against him forever.

MrStuffins · 14-02-2012 6:07pm

VagnerLove wrote: »

some real crazy talk going on in this thread.

his career should be over? come on now. he made a horrible mistake and was rightly criticised. now people have done the normal thing and moved on. that doesn't condone what he did, it's just that people can hardly hold it against him forever.

Apparently it's not ok for him to perform now. But in 13 years, everything will have changed!

drkpower · 14-02-2012 6:44pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Apparently it's not ok for him to perform now. But in 13 years, everything will have changed!

It is not an especially unusual phenomenon to welcome people back into the fold after a suitable timeframe has elapsed. What is suitable of course carries with it a large dose of subjectivity.

After all, we send people to prison to particular periods of time; so we pretty much say it's not ok for you to live in civilised society, but in x years, it will be.

At least Kooli is trying to use some objective measure to determine the length of time Brown should be ostracised for (by linking it to his suspended sentence). If anything, you are the one who is choosing an entirely subjective timeframe for his ostracisation.

Unless of course you believe that he should have been invited onto the Grammys/the Late Show/Jonathon Woss immediately upon him giving an apology. Is that your view?

Ickle Magoo · 14-02-2012 6:44pm

Post deleted - please note; this is a discussion forum primarily for the ladies of boards, posters are under no obligations to answer questions posed nor agree with anyone's summations - dog-with-a-bone type aggressive and repetitive argument, puerile humour and silly pictures are not appropriate.

If you cannot post in a civil, mature and constructive manner - don't post at all.

Final warning.

Kooli · 14-02-2012 7:16pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

So it's all about time then is it?

Isn't he still a woman beater 13 years later? Do you expect Mary J.Blige to have some out and condemned him by then? What will have changed exactly?

What you're saying here is, it's ok for him to have a comeback, as long as it's in your timeframe?

I don't really understand what the aggressive questioning is about, trying desperately to find contradictions or inconsistencies in what I'm saying, as if that will prove I'm definitely wrong. You do realise there is no objective right or wrong answer in this situation?

I have very little interest in trying find the RIGHT ANSWER, I am always more interested in exploring meaning, consequences etc.

I've tried to answer your questions, but the questions don't seem to be in good faith (i.e. trying to generate discussion, trying to understand a different point of view), but more an effort fo 'catch me out' or 'prove me wrong', which doesn't make sense in this situation as there is no way of saying what's right or wrong cos it's subjective.

You asked me to prove that celebrities didn't condemn him without reservation, I gave you the quotes which you then ignored.
You asked if I think the time frame matters. I said it did, and you react with this 'GOTCHA' as if that somehow means nothing I have said makes sense, even though drkpower made the very good point that these things are often about time frames, and if he had performed at the Grammys the night after it happened that would have been totally inappropriate.

midlandsmissus · 14-02-2012 8:25pm

The saddest thing of all is that Rihanna has apparently gone back to him. But it's textbook.

Getting beaten up by some-one you love is meant to be one of the most confusing things to happen to you, and you blame yourself in order to get some control in the situation, "I must have done something wrong".

Why women go back to their abusers.

midlandsmissus · 14-02-2012 8:31pm

That's more than one or two punches.

Tigger99 · 14-02-2012 8:41pm

And he bit her ear also. It was a horrific horrific attack.

Kooli · 14-02-2012 8:49pm

Full details in case anyone's interested (warning, it's horrific):

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1606481/chris-brown-police-report-provides-details-altercation.jhtml

midlandsmissus · 14-02-2012 8:55pm

I think Rihanna's S&M video is really interesting from a psychological point of view.

She's told her worth is all from sex (music industry), she's told by Chris Brown she deserves to get beat up.

Her music and videos start getting darker.

She releases S&M. About some-one who wants, "deserves", to get beaten up.

I saw the video and thought what are the music industry doing, having a young troubled girl release a song and video like that.

But sure it's all money in the coffers for them.

southsiderosie · 14-02-2012 9:12pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

They did! Are you suggesting people in music were not on Rihanna's side?

Wow! So you think he shouldn't be allowed perform? That's ludicrous! You think because he did this to Rihanna he shouldn't be allowed work?

Do you think, for example, thatit would be a problem if he hadn't performed at this year's Grammys but at the 2022 Grammys?

I don't think the issue is, he shouldn't have a career or be barred from the studio. But being asked to perform at the Grammys is a huge honor, and so I think for a lot of people, seeing Chris Brown being honored this way was dismaying.

Chris Brown has a right to earn a living, and people are free to buy his music, but I think asking him to perform at the Grammys - an event he missed two years ago because of what he did - was in bad taste.

Giselle · 15-02-2012 1:56am

Kooli wrote: »

Full details in case anyone's interested (warning, it's horrific):

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1606481/chris-brown-police-report-provides-details-altercation.jhtml

I was only vaguely aware of the incident at the time, but after reading that I'm horrified.

It wasn't 'a couple of punches'. It was a sustained threatening attack that included verbal threats on her life.

It might be okay for him to resume his life, assuming he's rehabilitated. But its also ok for organisations to disassociate themselves from the man, and what he now is associated with, if they so choose.

Its also a huge missed opportunity by the music industry, and by the Grammy organisers in particular, to be seen to make a huge public statement about the unacceptability of violence by exclulding Brown from performing, and by issuing an unequivocal statement of condemnation at the time.

15-02-2012 10:40am

Giselle wrote: »

I was only vaguely aware of the incident at the time, but after reading that I'm horrified.

It wasn't 'a couple of punches'. It was a sustained threatening attack that included verbal threats on her life.

It might be okay for him to resume his life, assuming he's rehabilitated. But its also ok for organisations to disassociate themselves from the man, and what he now is associated with, if they so choose.

Its also a huge missed opportunity by the music industry, and by the Grammy organisers in particular, to be seen to make a huge public statement about the unacceptability of violence by exclulding Brown from performing, and by issuing an unequivocal statement of condemnation at the time.

good christ, i thought he gave her a slap

i still think what was done to him wasn't nothing but i agree the grammy people could have used it as an anti DV thing

Kooli · 15-02-2012 10:56am

OK I guess I should have included that link in my first post 5 pages ago.

But in a way, it shouldn't really be necessary that we have to draw a line between 'really bad domestic violence' and 'not so bad domestic violence' in order for there to be an expectation that the music industry will make a public stand about the issue in general.

Honey-ec · 15-02-2012 12:26pm

It's the attitude of the Grammy producers that really galls me. Executive Producer Ken Ehrlich actually said “We’re glad to have him back. I think people deserve a second chance, you know. If you’ll note, he has not been on the Grammys for the past few years and it may have taken us a while to kind of get over the fact that we were the victim of what happened.”

So, the Grammies were victimised by the fact that Chris Brown assaulted his girlfriend and couldn't perform as a result? What the fcuk?

His behaviour on Twitter in the last few days wouldn't exactly point to him being a better man as a result of the experience either.

This piece pretty much sums up my exact feelings on the whole situation - http://hellogiggles.com/im-not-okay-with-chris-brown-performing-at-the-grammys-and-im-not-sure-why-you-are

midlandsmissus · 15-02-2012 7:42pm

Honey-ec wrote: »

It's the attitude of the Grammy producers that really galls me. Executive Producer Ken Ehrlich actually said “We’re glad to have him back. I think people deserve a second chance, you know. If you’ll note, he has not been on the Grammys for the past few years and it may have taken us a while to kind of get over the fact that we were the victim of what happened.”

So, the Grammies were victimised by the fact that Chris Brown assaulted his girlfriend and couldn't perform as a result? What the fcuk?

His behaviour on Twitter in the last few days wouldn't exactly point to him being a better man as a result of the experience either.

This piece pretty much sums up my exact feelings on the whole situation - http://hellogiggles.com/im-not-okay-with-chris-brown-performing-at-the-grammys-and-im-not-sure-why-you-are

I want to send in a complaint to Grammy's re: Ken Ehrlich. He's overstepped the mark there. They were a victim of Chris Brown assaulting his girlfriend? How awful. I wonder where you could complain to. Who's with me?

midlandsmissus · 15-02-2012 8:01pm

Ok it is this you need to complain on if you wish:

http://www.cbs.com/info/user_services/fb_global_form.php

I'm going to do it.

MrStuffins · 15-02-2012 8:24pm

Honey-ec wrote: »

It's the attitude of the Grammy producers that really galls me. Executive Producer Ken Ehrlich actually said “We’re glad to have him back. I think people deserve a second chance, you know. If you’ll note, he has not been on the Grammys for the past few years and it may have taken us a while to kind of get over the fact that we were the victim of what happened.”

..........

Wow!

midlandsmissus · 15-02-2012 8:34pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

..........

Wow!

Idiotic. Mindblowingly.

leahyl · 16-02-2012 9:33am

Davyhal wrote: »

Question for you people who are supporting him... If a partner of your 20 year old friend beat her, even just the once, would you be so forgiving 3 years later?

This. Think if it was your own daughter, sister, friend that this happened to - would you all be so forgiving of the guy and willing to give him a second chance if he battered her the way Chris battered Rihanna?

Now don't get me wrong I have 2 Chris Brown albums (which I had bought before the whole incident) but what he did is dispicable and I haven't bought any of his material since. I'd listen away to it on the radio and sing along but he won't be getting any royalties off me I'm afraid.

It seems crazy that after sujecting Rihanna to such a beating that not one celebrity came out and condemned it (not that I know of anyway) - in fact, now, they are practically lining up to work with him - Pitbull, David Guetta, Chipmunk etc. Beggars belief really.

Having said that he is a very talented artist :pac:

* Just looked at that link Honey-ec - it appears that Usher did say something and then stupidly backed down when there was a backlash against him! WTF? He was dead right what he said.

MrStuffins · 16-02-2012 11:48am

leahyl wrote: »

This. Think if it was your own daughter, sister, friend that this happened to - would you all be so forgiving of the guy and willing to give him a second chance if he battered her the way Chris battered Rihanna?

Forgiving? Who said anything about forgiving?

The question should be, if this guy did this to my sister, do I think he should be able to return to work as normal 3 years later. And the answer is, yes!

leahyl · 16-02-2012 12:21pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Forgiving? Who said anything about forgiving?

The question should be, if this guy did this to my sister, do I think he should be able to return to work as normal 3 years later. And the answer is, yes!

Ah yes obviously he should be allowed to return to work but he shouldnt be allowed to be forgiven also which is certainly what it seems like to me - all is forgotten and he gets on with his glittering career. It is a lot about forgiveness as well and how much exposure and publicity he's getting after all this. I don't know - it just doesn't seem right to me.

We'll agree to disagree - that's always the best option I think;)

pickarooney · 16-02-2012 5:46pm

Why is he not still in jail for such a horrific assault? There's no way I, as an employer, would take back someone who had done that, let alone forgive him if he'd done it to someone close to me.

Storminateacup · 16-02-2012 5:59pm

Who was that tough rap guy that freaked out or maybe he freaked out over what Kanye did to Taylor Swift, can't remember what I'm even talking about to be honest.

I found her duet with eminem "love the way you lie" lyrics kind of creepy.

cocokay · 16-02-2012 6:01pm

is it true she started to follow him on twitter again & they were seen together recently in a nightclub? if so then if rihanna is seen to have forgiven and forgotten then the public/music industry going to do the same, especially if it means making some money! people will think, why
not have him perform, why not buy his new album, its all grand, him and
rihanna are pals again!

Chris Brown at the Grammys

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