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Limerick-Foynes Rail Line

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  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    Is there a longer term plan to open the Waterford to Rosslare section?

    There would then be a line to bring freight from Rosslare to Foynes, which would help building up windpower, transporting LNG and moving freight off the motorways. It would also take huge pressure off Dublin Port which is definitely needed in the longterm



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    No. Also, Rosslare didn't do railfreight anyway, it isn't that type of port.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,092 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    As part of the re-opening, are all LC to be eliminated?

    What will the max speed be? 160kph? 120 kph?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    aside from the fact that offloading freight in one port, and shipping it by land a few 100km to another port to send it back out to sea, doesnt seem to be a sensible thing to do even if it were possible.

    I did a bit of searching and there seems to be the possibility of Zinc and lead mining in a stretch of land from Kildare to Tipp with test drilling and decisions being made at the moment, so if that works out there might be one or more potential customers from those mines.

    You'd wonder too would Tara then send their shipments through Foynes if it becomes a major Ore handing port.

    A fair few "ifs" in there though, and who is to know whether the mines simply send their ORE to Dublin and ignore Foynes. Sure, Foynes had a rail line until relatively recently and it didnt seem to get much use so why should that change now ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    It would be great to see passenger services and a Limerick commuter rail service. 4 lines starting at Cobert and serving Foynes(with doradoyle spur), Limerick Junction, Ennis and Neenagh with a proper usable schedule and more stations in Limerick City. Do more to remove cars from the city centre as much as possible.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Limerick needs proper bus service that goes to the places that people need to go to, not a rail service that doesn't. Most people live and work on the outskirts of the city. Very few live or work in the city center, so a service on 1800s single track rail alignments that don't serve places like UL, Castletroy or Plassey or the majority of the North side of the river and terminates at Colbert isn't going to be used. Having to change at Colbert and then walk 2-3 km is not going to take people out of their cars.

    Build proper bus lanes, put park and rides along the major entry points into the city at the N18, N24, M7 and M20 and increase bus services and it will go a lot further to reduce traffic in the city center.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I said as much in the thread in the Train and Rail Systems forum. The N7 Naas Road was built to a high standard specifically because of the Ryder Cup in 2006. So this wouldn't surprise me at all; if you want to get something done in this country, just get a major sporting event involved somehow. But there are rumours about that zinc mine going around too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Can do both. It doesn't have to be single track either. Limerick Junction line is being doubled in any case



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    It's to small to get any kind of good scalable public transport like light rail or diverse bus service. There's less than 100,000 people living there.

    That being said, a direct rail link to Shannon Airport would be very beneficial to the city.

    It would however mean CPO'ing a heap of stuff above on the North East of Mallow St all the way river and then the same again out to the R445

    Elevated Rail could potentially reduce the CPO'ing burden OR just cut west and hug the coast to the Airport

    The only REAL way to make money on Rail is to move freight.

    A rail freight hub at the airport would certainly make the process a bit more appealing.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Have a look at google maps. It's not possible to double track the line from Moyross to the city. It has housing backing onto the line on both sides from Corbally in. There isn't room to double track the Foynes line between the M20 and Dooradoyle/Raheen either.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Just design obstacles, not a reason not to do it. There are more design obstacles to a high quality bus network



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    So you see CPOing hundreds of houses to make way for double tracking as design obstacles? That's is never going to happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    There are lots of options but won't go into it now as it's off topic



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,713 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I can't see heavy rail passenger services to Adare or beyond being viable, the population is too low and it wouldn't bring people to where they want to go. It would be just running trains on the line for the sake of it. Presumably there would be regular freight trains to justify the reopening so limited scope for meaningful passenger services on the single track.

    There are plans to redevelop a large area in the city called Home - Colbert Quarter | Limerick. I know they show the rail line in plans but having heavy rail, particularly freight, trundling through is not suitable for such an urban regeneration. A new heavy rail link should be provided along the southern side of the M7 and crossing the M20 to allow freight trains bypass the city centre to/from Foynes. Then you could create a light rail line from Raheen Business Park (possibly Patrickswell with a P&R) along the R526 serving residential areas and UHL, swinging round at the Crescent Shopping Centre and using the old heavy rail alignment into the city. It could extend out to UL/Castletroy, maybe even M7 J28 with a P&R.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Chx12


    What planning permission if any did Iarnrod Eireann need to apply for to renew and reinstate the limerick to Foynes railway line?

    Who would they have had to apply to Limerick Co. Co. or An Bord Pleanala?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Neither I presume it's an existing railway line and was in use until about 15 years ago to an extent. You have to understand there is a green in transport so they just worked away.

    80 million and it will be lucky if one train a week operates on it.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Chx12


    Yes it part of EU Transport policy if Foynes gets EU money it must also have the transport infrastructure i.e. a rail line and roads in place I think.

    Can Iarnrod Eireann rip down the old boundary hedges and old stone walls that run along the side of the existing railway line without planning permission?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Planning Permission when it comes to rail lines is known as a Railway Order, and they go directly to An Bord Pleanala.

    Some info here: How does the Railway Order application process work? (irishrail.ie)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Chx12


    I just read the link on Irishrail.ie thanks.

    I dont remember seeing any planning application on the local papers or any public consultation by An Bord Pleanala for the renewal of Foynes - Limerick Railway line as specified on that link.

    If there was an application to An Bord Pleanala a few years back even it should still be possible to get a copy of application and all related documents I assume?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Did they have Railway Orders and were you around in 1853?

    They'll only require one now if they plan to build new stations for passenger services, which they currently don't.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Irish Rail applied for conventional planning for the new stations on Ennis Athenry. They did not go for a railway order. Track replacement doesn't need it but new structures etc do



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Limerick County Council declared the Foynes line a protected structure in the mid-2000s in an attempt to force Irish Rail to maintain it but it was contested on the basis that any heavy works would then require planning permission.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Chx12


    Fair point. So no planning permission of any type is required then to renew or reinstate the Limerick - Foynes line?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    No, because the line was never officially closed.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Permission has been sought from LCCC for works at and around Adare station and the Maigue River bridge.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,963 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    After all the stuff about an Adare road bypass, I think it would be a real shame if no Adare train station with limited passenger service is provided as part of this rail scheme.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    To be used by who though? It's a village of 1100 people. The line into Limerick doesn't even go directly into Colbert Station. It joins the main line a kilometer out from the station so would have to reverse into the station.

    An improved bus service would make far more sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,987 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    not really, as the line is there anyway so a bus service would be more money when you can simply provide a train on a line that is re-existing anyway, if the money is being spent to reopen it may as well provide a passenger service that can be increased with time.

    sure having to reverse is not ideal but it's not the big deal it would have been years ago when trains were loco hauled.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    A bus is vastly cheaper and more flexible than a railcar for low passenger volumes. There would need to be a concerted effort at development along the line to bring a viable passenger base.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    There's a direct curve into the station so no reversal required.



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