gas for HFC M9

Masada · 16-12-2007, 23:05

just wondering what other gases i can use with this pistol, the green gas is pretty hopeless in this cold so im wondering if i can use anything else like red gas, 134a or whatever other ones there is.,?

(is red and 134a the same thing?)

cheers,

Shiva · 16-12-2007, 23:13

134a is even lower pressure than green, so it'd be worse.

Propane will give you in and around the same results as green, possibly very slightly better.

I don't know enough about red to say either way - it all depends on how much more powerful it is. I wouldn't risk it myself, unless its extremely cold.

Even if it does work, be careful about pushing the power up over the limit.

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Originally Posted by vtec

just wondering what other gases i can use with this pistol, the green gas is pretty hopeless in this cold so im wondering if i can use anything else like red gas, 134a or whatever other ones there is.,?

(is red and 134a the same thing?)

cheers,

Masada · 16-12-2007, 23:18

oh so 134a is lower and red is a lot more powerful then., do you sell the red gas then tony? might try it out on the bell and if its ok use it on the hfc.,

zero19 · 16-12-2007, 23:30

How bout the mystical black gas? lol Supposedly the strongest of all gases

Masada · 16-12-2007, 23:33

black gas? what the hells that? darth vaders breath?
lol.,

Shiva · 16-12-2007, 23:50

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Originally Posted by vtec

oh so 134a is lower and red is a lot more powerful then., do you sell the red gas then tony? might try it out on the bell and if its ok use it on the hfc.,

Nah, I don't sell it. I don't think I've ever noticed it on an airsoft site actually. But I haven't been looking.

**kdouglas** · 17-12-2007, 00:54

read somewhere before that black gas is an airsoft urban myth

haven't tried red gas but in this weather, it might be ok

Masada · 17-12-2007, 01:17

might give the red a go then, its not gonna get warm enough for green until about may anyway.,lol,
cheers everyone.,

Gatling · 17-12-2007, 02:12

elvis is alive and invented black gas,

i heard (now correct me if im wrong) not all guns are designed to use red gas ,most are made specificly for green, il check the AI gas article to see what it says

**kdouglas** · 17-12-2007, 10:12

yes, but they are made for green gas pressure at 20 degrees celsius, it was only about 5 degrees out there yesterday...

Best thing to do is find a comparison of pressures of red and green gas at 20 degrees and then see if you can find out the pressure at 5 or 10 degrees

Lethal_Bullet · 17-12-2007, 13:11

Get this monts, or was it last months AI. Had a whole article on gasses and why they do what they do.

**kdouglas** · 17-12-2007, 13:51

Knew i saw it somewhere, thought it was online, ill dig out the pressures from last month's AI mag when I get home

Masada · 17-12-2007, 15:14

nice one KD., the green is just usless in this cold, a lot of the time the pressure isnt good enough to throw the slide back and the gas all spurts out of the mag then.,

Gatling · 17-12-2007, 15:29

have AI infront of me ,red gas is only reccomended for heavily metalised moded GBB and only on exceptionly cold days , propane seems to be recommended over red gas, Kd page 32 the fps comparisments over nbb and gbb , might be worth a chrono test one of saturdays , vtec -green gas at 20 degree 115 psi red gas at 20 degrees 180 psi

**kdouglas** · 17-12-2007, 15:46

ah but the question is, what's the pressure of red gas at 5 degrees.... think it's hfc22, ill go look it up

16-12-2007, 23:05	#1
Masada Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Buzzin in me EEiga, Stall eh & Keep Sketch... Posts: 10,723 Adverts \| Friends	gas for HFC M9 just wondering what other gases i can use with this pistol, the green gas is pretty hopeless in this cold so im wondering if i can use anything else like red gas, 134a or whatever other ones there is.,? (is red and 134a the same thing?) cheers,

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16-12-2007, 23:18	#3
Masada Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Buzzin in me EEiga, Stall eh & Keep Sketch... Posts: 10,723 Adverts \| Friends	oh so 134a is lower and red is a lot more powerful then., do you sell the red gas then tony? might try it out on the bell and if its ok use it on the hfc.,

16-12-2007, 23:30	#4
zero19 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Galway Posts: 3,739 Adverts \| Friends	How bout the mystical black gas? lol Supposedly the strongest of all gases

16-12-2007, 23:33	#5
Masada Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Buzzin in me EEiga, Stall eh & Keep Sketch... Posts: 10,723 Adverts \| Friends	black gas? what the hells that? darth vaders breath? lol.,

17-12-2007, 00:54	#7
kdouglas Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,009 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Airsoft	read somewhere before that black gas is an airsoft urban myth haven't tried red gas but in this weather, it might be ok

17-12-2007, 01:17	#8
Masada Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Buzzin in me EEiga, Stall eh & Keep Sketch... Posts: 10,723 Adverts \| Friends	might give the red a go then, its not gonna get warm enough for green until about may anyway.,lol, cheers everyone.,

17-12-2007, 02:12	#9
Gatling Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Skirmishnam Posts: 3,414 Adverts \| Friends	elvis is alive and invented black gas, i heard (now correct me if im wrong) not all guns are designed to use red gas ,most are made specificly for green, il check the AI gas article to see what it says

17-12-2007, 10:12	#10
kdouglas Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,009 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Airsoft	yes, but they are made for green gas pressure at 20 degrees celsius, it was only about 5 degrees out there yesterday... Best thing to do is find a comparison of pressures of red and green gas at 20 degrees and then see if you can find out the pressure at 5 or 10 degrees

17-12-2007, 13:11	#11
Lethal_Bullet Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Churchtown, Dublin Posts: 6,061 Adverts \| Friends	Get this monts, or was it last months AI. Had a whole article on gasses and why they do what they do.

17-12-2007, 13:51	#12
kdouglas Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,009 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Airsoft	Knew i saw it somewhere, thought it was online, ill dig out the pressures from last month's AI mag when I get home

17-12-2007, 15:14	#13
Masada Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Buzzin in me EEiga, Stall eh & Keep Sketch... Posts: 10,723 Adverts \| Friends	nice one KD., the green is just usless in this cold, a lot of the time the pressure isnt good enough to throw the slide back and the gas all spurts out of the mag then.,

17-12-2007, 15:29	#14
Gatling Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Skirmishnam Posts: 3,414 Adverts \| Friends	have AI infront of me ,red gas is only reccomended for heavily metalised moded GBB and only on exceptionly cold days , propane seems to be recommended over red gas, Kd page 32 the fps comparisments over nbb and gbb , might be worth a chrono test one of saturdays , vtec -green gas at 20 degree 115 psi red gas at 20 degrees 180 psi

17-12-2007, 15:46	#15
kdouglas Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,009 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Airsoft	ah but the question is, what's the pressure of red gas at 5 degrees.... think it's hfc22, ill go look it up