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HD/Blu-Ray... Is blu-ray going to win?

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  • 21-06-2007 1:55pm
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    User45701
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    Im not a fan of sony or the playstations so i never wanted blu-ray to win.
    Also i hear the old war between VHS and ? (can never remember the name) anyway VHS won because they allowed porn on there VHS's.

    Same this time HD will allow porn and blue-ray wont so i assumed that histroy would repeat itself and HD would win.

    I hear now that blockbuster video have fully backed blu-ray, they will keep HD on the shelves but only order new filims in Blu-Ray.

    Thats america but since Xtra Vision is owened by Blockbuster video does that mean that they will follow suit? i left a message for one of there directors on tuesday, no responce yet.

    I hope they dont do that, i dont rent anymore i just buy DVD's there so cheap if you think that in your life you might watch a movie 2 or 3 times you can buy it dont rent it because as i said so cheap.

    I wonder what charbusters will do? I hope they back HD because i am not a fan of this whole expensive ps3/blu-ray stuff


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    johnny_ultimate
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    Blu Ray does seem like the early victor. Walk into any retail / rental store about and check out the Blu Ray section -v- HD DVD. I personally think that the HD DVD collection is superior at the moment (although both formats have the bucketloads of rubbish that comes with any new format launch), but I do think Blu Ray will win in the longterm.


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    savemejebus
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    xtra-vision already rent Blu Ray discs as their only HD source afaik.

    I think we really need to wait until ther are more reasonably priced players before we begin to see either format seriously compete with DVD. As it is, both Blu Ray and HD DVD are expensive to go for at the moment.


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    [Deleted User]
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    I really dont think that HD DVD has a future. They only have one studio that releases films exclusively on their format. Blockbusters support for blu ray is a major blow to them.
    Xtravision have been exclusively supporting blu ray, but check any other shop, I regularly check all the shops here in Cork and the only shop I have seen HD DVD in is the Virgin megastore, where the stock is very small. Its very small because people are buyng blu ray over HD DVD.
    Blu ray through a PS3 is not really that expensive- I just checked my argos catalogue and they have hd dvd PLAYER FOR €650, THE pS3 is €630. Blu ray movies are also a generally cheaper to buy than the HD DVD discs, while retaining the same quality.


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    User45701
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    whatever happened to that player that can play both Blu-Ray and HD?
    id just get one of them and throw it in my pc then let all the other pople decide the war with the dvd players for TV's and consoles and all that other madd stuff


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    As far as I know those dual format players cost megabucks, so instead of gettinng one of those, I would save money and stick with DVD until this format war is over. But I'm backing blu ray myself.


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    philstar
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    have any of you people seen a HD or blu ray DVD??

    anyway isn't regular DVD high defination enough??


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    Necronomicon
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    Something that worried me was something I read in a dvd magazine, that a lot of distributors were declaring alliegence to one format or the other, so you may not get any Fox movies on Blu-Ray or Universal movies on HD etc. Although I don't know if this is still the case, that was a while back.
    Either way, I don't think there's enough on either yet to dish out the cash. Plus, after years of collecting dvds I dunno if I have the patience to start again :/


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    evad_lhorg
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    Blu ray isnt doing well but it is doing better for one reason... PS3.


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    copacetic
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    evad_lhorg wrote:
    Blu ray isnt doing well but it is doing better for one reason... PS3.

    isn't doing well compared to what exactly?
    seems to be doing much better than HD-DVD, mostly because of the PS3 footprint in homes, but thats what wins these types of format wars in the end. The more players the more titles..
    According to research group Digital Entertainment Group, there are 1.5 million Blu-ray players in the US. That's made up of 100,000 standalone players and 1.4 million PS3s. As for HD DVD, there are 150,000 Xbox 360 HD DVD players and 150,000 standalone players


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    ixoy
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    copacetic wrote:
    isn't doing well compared to what exactly?
    Traditional DVDs. Blu-Ray sales and HD-DVD barely make any impact on sales overall. It's still a small market.

    Much like many others, I'm waiting on the fence. I'm too young to have seen the Betamax vs VHS wars (as are most here), but I'm not going to subscribe yet to an over-priced potentially-dying format. There is little in the way yet to recommend getting either format at the current price and it'll take a while yet before I imagine that changes.


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    grimm2005
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    yep, apparently universal recently reiterated their support for HD-DVD saying that they have no plans to go format neutral anytime soon


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    At the minute HD-DVD does have one major selling point that Blue Ray lacks. A lot of HD-DVDs are double sided with the normal DVD version of the film on one side and the HD version on the other.


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    monkeyfudge
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    Well I have both... through the 360 and the PS3.

    If I saw a film available on both formats I'd have to go with Bluray... but that's purely because the 360 is so f*cking noisey that it greatly takes away from the viewing experience.

    But in the grander scheme of things.. pretty much every film released on Bluray is utter, utter sh*te... who the f*ck is selecting the titles exactly?

    I currently have 2 films on HD-DVD and 3 films on Bluray... The HD-DVD films are ones that I can see myself watching again many times (King Kong and Happy Feet) while I never want to see my Bluray films again as long as I live... (Open Season, Ultra Violet and Casino Royale)


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    philstar
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    monkeyfudge wrote:
    Well I have both... through the 360 and the PS3.

    If I saw a film available on both formats I'd have to go with Bluray... but that's purely because the 360 is so f*cking noisey that it greatly takes away from the viewing experience.

    but whats the picture quality like??..........is it wow!!...much better than regular DVD??


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    Zapp Brannigan
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    It is alot better, quality wise.

    I'd agree although BluRay has a bigger selection of films but most of em are crap.


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    Mossy Monk
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    philstar wrote:
    anyway isn't regular DVD high defination enough??

    Watch a HD movie on a big screen and compare it to a dvd. The difference is huge.


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    Just saw on IGN that blu ray players have outsold HD DVD 5 to 1. Largley thanks to the PS3. Blu ray discs also outsell HD DVD, and while I agree with the above posters that the current selection of blu ray title is pretty bad, I thnk that will change in the future. It is clearly the dominant format at the moment and that is unlikely to change anytime soon. How long before Universal does a turn around and starts to support blu ray?


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    #19
    monkeyfudge
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    Well I remember when DVD first came out... the selection was pretty damn poor too...


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    johnny_ultimate
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    HD TV is as yet an extremely young medium. As many have pointed out, sales compared to DVD are at this point tiny. Most people could not give a toss over picture quality, while others are happy with the DVD quality standard at the moment. Seems like the battle came a bit too early - DVD is still quite young, compared to the amount of time VHS spent in the limelight. It will be a year or two at least before either format starts making a major impact. (that said, I do still think Blu Ray will come out victorious, even though I had backed HD DVD earlier in procedures).


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    User45701
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    i rmember the first dvd's as well but what i dont understand is what you are all saying, whats this stuff about the ps3 because i think im getting my news from some insane places.

    From what i know sony have lost the console war, the ps3 was a momuntial failure was it not? being destroyed by the Wii and X-box even being a year old still sold me copies at x-mass then the ps3,

    i know 2 people in ireland who have bought and then got rid of ps3's.
    some guy at sony announced a price cut (i assumed desperitly trying to recover) and the a few days later microsoft announced price cuts of the 360 to only 200, chances are there getting rid of the old 360's before the next x-box upgrade thingey comes out.

    Anyway my point is i was under the impression that the ps3 was a joke and was suffering massive failures all around the world, i know there are those that buy and enjoy it but i honnestly didnt think it would last.

    My prediction was for HD victory, then the ps3 to become even less popular because noone would make blu-ray dvd's and then it would fade into the mysts of history


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    copacetic
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    well ps3 isn't selling as well as other consoles as it is so expensive. however it is selling much better than any standalone player whether HD-DVD or Blueray. So player wise there are much more blueray players out there, this seems to be driving the title availability and the blockbuster attitude for instance. If the xbox had a built in hd-dvd when it came out things would probably be the other way around.

    Once manufacturers see the way the market seems to be going they start looking at blueray for their systems, sony, dell and 3 or 4 other laptop manufacturers have all announced machines with blueray drives coming soon. It becomes a circular market with sales driving players and then feeding back around, once one format gets ahead its a long way back.

    IMO blueray is well on it's way to winning out based on the current market snapshot in the US, but who is to say what will happen next.


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    mickoneill30
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    Even if all that were true and the PS3 did fail (I don't think that'll happen), Blu-Ray will get a critical mass soon and it won't matter if it's on PS3 or a stand alone player.
    If your video shop is only selling / renting Blu-Ray then that's what the public will buy. And it's getting that way (Blockbuster US announced during the week that their stores will only be stocking Blu-Ray, big stores in Australia (JB Hifi for example) are only stocking Blu-Ray). I think Universal is the only company that exclusively brings out movies on HD-DVD. They can't do that forever.

    Edit: This was replying to User45701. copacetic replied before me.


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    dulpit
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    I'm gonna have to repeat others, BluRay is winning because of the PS3... I don't know 1 person who either owns or would consider buying a HD-DVD player or a blu-ray dvd player. Neither do i know people who would ocnsider buying the add-on for the 360 so as to play hd-dvds...

    However, i do know quite a few people who have ps3's or are saving to get 1... If you own a ps3 you're naturally gonna buy at least 1 blu-ray dvd... There is no way that hd-dvd is gonna be able to fight back until the price of players drops by a considerable margin...

    Thing is though, will the format war be won before the players get affordable? if not, then blu-ra ftw... otherwise, i dunno, your guess is as good as mine...


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    User45701
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    ok but what about histroy, i dont remember betamax/vhs war either but i do know what happened.

    Betamax Would not allow porn
    Blu-Ray will not allow pron

    VHS - allowed porn
    HD - allows

    Porn is regarded as the deciding factor in the last war and im sure it will be again.


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    monkeyfudge
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    I don't think it was a matter of Betamax not allowing porn, it was just VHS was the format that the porn industry decided upon using.

    When we got our first video player in our house, it could have gone either way... we luckily went with VHS. But all the early video rental stores stocked both formats.. and then the Betamax sections slowly disappeared over the years.


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    koneko
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    Too early to tell, in my house HD-DVD is winning because (I agree with monkeyfudge on this) a lot of titles available on Blu-Ray are awful or just don't appeal to me. I have 2 Blu-Rays at the moment, and one of those is the free Casino Royale disc (complete garbage, never watching that again).


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    Dodge
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    Just for the record the highest selling Video console this christmas was the PS2. PS3 have sold well enough, and looks like eventually taking over the mantel of top console.

    As for the pron thing, it won't have nearly as big effect on this debate as the vast vast majority of people get it through the internet now.

    I won't be buying anything for a few years.


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    copacetic
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    User45701 wrote:
    ok but what about histroy, i dont remember betamax/vhs war either but i do know what happened.

    Betamax Would not allow porn
    Blu-Ray will not allow pron

    VHS - allowed porn
    HD - allows

    Porn is regarded as the deciding factor in the last war and im sure it will be again.

    i'm not sure 'porn' was the deciding factor and even if it was, the reason for the use for that genre was home recording. Betamax tapes were only one hour long which crippled it's use by home and semi pro users which led to vhs becoming the preferred choice. This of course got the circular market going in vhs' favour.

    When blueray burners are available, people can put whatever they want on to discs porn or not, so I don't see that winning the battle either way


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    projectmayhem
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    User45701 wrote:
    ok but what about histroy, i dont remember betamax/vhs war either but i do know what happened.

    Betamax Would not allow porn
    Blu-Ray will not allow pron

    VHS - allowed porn
    HD - allows

    Porn is regarded as the deciding factor in the last war and im sure it will be again.

    but then porn was mass distributed on VHS, and right now i would imagine the majority of porn is viewed via digital distribution. it doesn't have anywhere near the same impact on the market as it used to. i'd say most porn dvd's are burned from PC's, rather then bought legitimately.

    as for the titles on blu-ray being crap... sony is doing with blu-ray what it did with PS2. just sign off on every pile of ass out there so you've a bigger section dedicated to the format in stores. any good titles will be bought up anyway, but then you'll have the cheaper films to buy alongside that. it also means come christmas hmv et al can do a "2 for €20" type of deal because the rubbish films will go down to dirt cheap prices.


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    monkeyfudge
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    Who wants HD porn anyway?

    Do we really need to see 1080 pixels worth of Ron Jeremy's ass?


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