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Stolen Bikes Thread - Mod Note please read post #1 before posting

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    #452
    youcancallmeal
    Registered Users Posts: 7,985 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    Beasty wrote: »
    No more warnings - do not post any info that either directly links to or could be used to readily search for that ad, or any other ads you may suspect have stolen gear

    Thanks

    Beasty

    Genuine question, why?
    Read through the charter and the boards guideline, maybe I missed it but couldn't see any reason why this wouldn't be allowed?


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    #453
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    youcancallmeal wrote: »
    Beasty wrote: »
    No more warnings - do not post any info that either directly links to or could be used to readily search for that ad, or any other ads you may suspect have stolen gear

    Thanks

    Beasty

    Genuine question, why?
    Read through the charter and the boards guideline, maybe I missed it but couldn't see any reason why this wouldn't be allowed?
    +1 on this point. The bike had been stolen....


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    #454
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Defamation. At the end of the day, it's the word of someone on boards -v- the word of someone on donedeal and neither can be verified.


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    #455
    youcancallmeal
    Registered Users Posts: 7,985 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    seamus wrote: »
    Defamation. At the end of the day, it's the word of someone on boards -v- the word of someone on donedeal and neither can be verified.

    Yeah sorry should of read the first post like it says in the title. I always just check the charter first :rolleyes:


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    #456
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    seamus wrote: »
    Defamation. At the end of the day, it's the word of someone on boards -v- the word of someone on donedeal and neither can be verified.
    It's only defamation if its untrue. This was somebody advertising a stolen bike. If I say that you are a thief, you have been defamed. If you are a thief, and I refer to this fact, then you have not been defamed. The bike was stolen. The advertiser was selling on an 'unwanted gift'. That he had recently bought himself, for a suspiciously low price. As far as defamation goes, he'd hardly have a leg to stand on. I'll abide by the forum rules, but I'm not sure a link would be out of the question here. The seller has left the ad up. I didn't find it hard to find the ad, the seller's name and his phone number, all in under a minute. Why not a link?


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    #457
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    ...first post notwithstanding, of course...


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    #458
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    endacl wrote: »
    It's only defamation if its untrue.
    And how does boards.ie assert truth when all it has is your word?


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    #459
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    seamus wrote: »
    endacl wrote: »
    It's only defamation if its untrue.
    And how does boards.ie assert truth when all it has is your word?
    Doesn't have my word. Has the account of the recovery, the ad, and the phone number of Finglas Garda station to check the facts.


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    #460
    Mycroft H
    Registered Users Posts: 9,316 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    endacl wrote: »
    Doesn't have my word. Has the account of the recovery, the ad, and the phone number of Finglas Garda station to check the facts.


    Has he been convicted in court yet?


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    #461
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    endacl wrote: »
    Doesn't have my word. Has the account of the recovery, the ad, and the phone number of Finglas Garda station to check the facts.
    And you expect boards to do that for every post containing possibly defamatory allegations? Plus. as in the post linked above, unless someone has been convicted in court, then using words like "thief" or "murderer" are on legally dodgy ground.


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    #462
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    BX 19 wrote: »
    endacl wrote: »
    Doesn't have my word. Has the account of the recovery, the ad, and the phone number of Finglas Garda station to check the facts.


    Has he been convicted in court yet?
    No. But he hasn't been accused of theft either. The only assertation is that a bike he advertised for sale was somebody else's property which had been stolen. Which it was. Of course he may claim innocence by way of ignorance, but 'unwanted gift' would suggest otherwise... I get your point, but have little sympathy for these ****s without whom there wouldn't be a chain of theft. If nobody was buying, or selling on, then stuff wouldn't be nicked in the first place.


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    #463
    droidus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭droidus


    There is no evidence that the seller has stolen anything, but it is not defamatory to state the bike was stolen and the ad was for a stolen bike, especially as these facts have now been confirmed.


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    #464
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,300 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    We are all anonymous on boards (admitedly some less so than others). I cannot take the word of one member ahead of any other. Yes I have a posting history to go on, and that may influence how I (and other mods) deal with certain matters

    When it comes to stolen goods, or other allegations of illegal activity, the powers that be (and to be clear, that is not the mods) have decreed that making allegations against someone who has not been convicted of the relevant illegal activity is not allowed. There is a concern that Boards (or indeed you as members) could be held liable under the defamation law, and also there is a risk that information posted here could prejudice legal proceedings.

    It may be that the evidence appears overwhelming, but equally there will be all shades of grey involved if Boards were to allow posting of such information. Rather than leave any of this to judgement (and as linked to in the OP of this thread), no posting of such information is allowed

    Can we please leave it there, as there is no point in further discussion on the matter here. If anyone does want to raise this as a topic in itself, the Feedback forum is the place to discuss it

    Thanks

    Beasty


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    #465
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Beasty wrote: »
    We are all anonymous on boards (admitedly some less so than others). I cannot take the word of one member ahead of any other. Yes I have a posting history to go on, and that may influence how I (and other mods) deal with certain matters

    When it comes to stolen goods, or other allegations of illegal activity, the powers that be (and to be clear, that is not the mods) have decreed that making allegations against someone who has not been convicted of the relevant illegal activity is not allowed. There is a concern that Boards (or indeed you as members) could be held liable under the defamation law, and also there is a risk that information posted here could prejudice legal proceedings.

    It may be that the evidence appears overwhelming, but equally there will be all shades of grey involved if Boards were to allow posting of such information. Rather than leave any of this to judgement (and as linked to in the OP of this thread), no posting of such information is allowed

    Can we please leave it there, as there is no point in further discussion on the matter here. If anyone does want to raise this as a topic in itself, the Feedback forum is the place to discuss it

    Thanks

    Beasty
    Will do. Just frustrating ...


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    #466
    parko202
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭parko202


    Hi All,

    On tuesday evening 4 bikes were stolen from my shed in Dundrum, a note for people to keep an eye out for them on websites / shops etc. please. Really pissed off about it and going on a bit of a hunt at the weekend!

    1. Cube LTD Team - Black and Red. Changes to this bike are a shimano deore front disc brake, a Beone saddle and a thompson seat post:

    57168.jpg

    2. Beone Storm 2.0 - White, gold and black. Changes include a Charge Spoon saddle and new mavic aksium wheels:

    25458.jpg

    3. Specialized Langster - Silver. Changes include a brooks tan saddle, tiagra brakes and new rear wheel.

    specialized_langster_2009.jpg

    4. Cube womens racing bike - white and teal.

    If anyone has any idea about where to start looking (other than gumtree and done deal) it would be greatly appreciated.


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    #467
    endacl
    Registered Users Posts: 22,231 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    parko202 wrote: »
    Hi All,

    On tuesday evening 4 bikes were stolen from my shed in Dundrum, a note for people to keep an eye out for them on websites / shops etc. please. Really pissed off about it and going on a bit of a hunt at the weekend!

    1. Cube LTD Team - Black and Red. Changes to this bike are a shimano deore front disc brake, a Beone saddle and a thompson seat post:

    57168.jpg

    2. Beone Storm 2.0 - White, gold and black. Changes include a Charge Spoon saddle and new mavic aksium wheels:

    25458.jpg

    3. Specialized Langster - Silver. Changes include a brooks tan saddle, tiagra brakes and new rear wheel.

    specialized_langster_2009.jpg

    4. Cube womens racing bike - white and teal.

    If anyone has any idea about where to start looking (other than gumtree and done deal) it would be greatly appreciated.
    Markets would be worth a look. The one on cumberland st has a certain reputation. Allegedly. No defamation intended. Beat of luck.


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    #468
    kenmc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,276 ✭✭✭kenmc


    Which part of Dundrum? 4 in one night sounds like a very well organised operation :( I'm not far from Dundrum, so will keep an eye out.


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    #469
    mikerd4
    Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭mikerd4


    Is there a sticky regarding registering bikes with the gardai and any other online systems?


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    #470
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    mikerd4 wrote: »
    Is there a sticky regarding registering bikes with the gardai and any other online systems?

    ATM Donnybrook and Irishtown are running a pilot scheme to put a registered bikes up on PULSE. Other posters have noted Bettystown have a similar scheme but AFAIK it does not use PULSE and there fore is limited to bikes owned in the area.
    Donnybrook Bicycle Registration Scheme

    The Donnybrook Bicycle Registration Scheme is a pilot scheme implemented by An Garda Siochana. It allows bicycle owners to register their bicycles with the Gardai. The details of the owner and the bicycle are recorded on the Pulse computer system. They can be retrieved if a bicycle is lost or stolen at a later date. Hundreds of unidentifiable recovered bicycles are sold at auction by An Garda Siochana each year. The bicycle’s serial number is the main means identification that will be used in this scheme.

    Members of the public have to bring their bicycles to Donnybrook or Irishtown Garda Stations to register.

    There was more in the quote but it related to my club so wasn't relevant here, most importantly have the Serial number in a readable condition on the bike so it can be checked eg wiper it down before you go in. Info to go on the form is listed below but you will need to bring in the bike to confirm. If you are ina club it might be worth getting someone who represents the club to go make a meeting with the local Sargent and ask would it be possible to do something similar there, maybe even hint at ringing Donnybrook or Irishtown to get details for their station.

    Bicycle Registration Form

    Bicycle Details (Block Capitals)

    Serial Number________________________

    Make_______________________________

    Model______________________________

    Colour______________________________

    Style: Mountain Bike
    Racing
    Standard
    Folding


    Owner Details (Block Capitals)

    Full Name

    Address

    Contact Number

    Email Address (optional)


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    #471
    Joxer_S
    Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭Joxer_S


    CramCycle wrote: »
    ATM Donnybrook and Irishtown are running a pilot scheme to put a registered bikes up on PULSE. Other posters have noted Bettystown have a similar scheme but AFAIK it does not use PULSE and there fore is limited to bikes owned in the area.

    The Bridewell Station has this too, I'm not sure if it's on PULSE or not though.


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    #472
    Tayto2000
    Registered Users Posts: 597 ✭✭✭Tayto2000


    mikerd4 wrote: »
    Is there a sticky regarding registering bikes with the gardai and any other online systems?

    Not yet...

    Info on Donnybrook Gardai scheme here

    Registration form (which can be emailed) here

    Alternative online registration system here.


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    #473
    vladdt
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭vladdt


    Stolen in Midleton, Co. Cork.
    I think it was sold in Cork, or around.

    This is Trek hardtail mountain bike, black with white writings. It have different then stock seat - bigger and with green S on him, like show on photos. It have additional plastic rims on him and also plastic holder for bottle, black an white.

    It was stolen in Midleton, from Mogeesha house, from locked storage room. (RFID logs and CCTV cameras around for better prestige).

    If anyone will see this bike - please, report the Garda. Or at least - write me a massage, because I don't think that Garda care about any crime in this country.


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    #474
    doc1976
    Registered Users Posts: 164 ✭✭doc1976


    Would it be any use sending the thread link to the Guards??

    It might wake them up as to the scale of what's happening?


    If people believe that all these thefts are just some opportunist scumbags doing this their for the birds.

    DOC


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    #475
    PurpleBee
    Registered Users Posts: 274 ✭✭PurpleBee


    I was looking at a bike online and have become increasingly unsure as to whether its dodgy or not. Upon investigation the seller tells me he's selling the bike "for a friend," it seems to have been online for a while and no one has bid for it yet. Are these sure signs or should I give him the benefit of the doubt?


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    #476
    feck sake lads
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭feck sake lads


    PurpleBee wrote: »
    I was looking at a bike online and have become increasingly unsure as to whether its dodgy or not. Upon investigation the seller tells me he's selling the bike "for a friend," it seems to have been online for a while and no one has bid for it yet. Are these sure signs or should I give him the benefit of the doubt?
    sounds dodgy to me ask loads of questions before you committ.


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    #477
    AIR-AUSSIE
    Registered Users Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭AIR-AUSSIE


    PurpleBee wrote: »
    I was looking at a bike online and have become increasingly unsure as to whether its dodgy or not. Upon investigation the seller tells me he's selling the bike "for a friend," it seems to have been online for a while and no one has bid for it yet. Are these sure signs or should I give him the benefit of the doubt?

    Ask for proof of purchase?


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    #478
    PurpleBee
    Registered Users Posts: 274 ✭✭PurpleBee


    Problem is I made an offer and then I was told he was selling it for his mate. I doubt there's any chance of proof of purchase either given the bike was made in the early 90s. Ahhhhhhhhh!


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    #479
    seeing_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭seeing_ie


    doc1976 wrote: »
    Would it be any use sending the thread link to the Guards??

    It might wake them up as to the scale of what's happening?


    If people believe that all these thefts are just some opportunist scumbags doing this their for the birds.

    DOC

    I'd say the bikes listed in this thread are just the tip of the iceberg.

    Guards are well aware of the scale of the problem imo.


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    #480
    Eru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,357 ✭✭✭Eru


    doc1976 wrote: »
    Would it be any use sending the thread link to the Guards??
    Surely all these bikes have been reported as stolen with the same leverl of detail provided?

    doc1976 wrote: »
    It might wake them up as to the scale of what's happening?
    Gardai know about crime stats a lot more than the random person but how many people lock their bikes to trees / lamposts / etc away from racks?

    How much time can Gardai spend monitoring a specific bike rack?

    How many people don't report it?

    How many people don't have a clue about the serial number of their bike? Unless its a very very specialised bike that leaves the Gardai with no evidence to match your bike with the one Mr Scumbag is selling.
    dewindygap wrote: »
    Do the Gardaí treat these as serious crimes ?
    You think Gardai dont cycle anywhere and are immune from this crime? I am a Guard and I cycle.

    I have taken dozens of reports of bikes stolen where the best info I could get was "I locked it there yesterday morning and its a black mountain bike". WTF do you expect me to do with that kinda information? Watch every CCTV camera in the area for a 24 period looking for someone on a black bike????

    Then theres the reports made a week or two weeks after the fact because the persons insurance company told him "Hey you know who likes to hear about crime? The police". Again, where do we even begin when the owner wasn't even arsed about it in the first place?

    I have also recovered dozens of stolen bikes but I don't see any threads about it here. Most of them I was able to match to owners but then theres the ones that could not be matched because I can't magically match the black Trek I have with the hundreds reported without serial numbers OR were never reported stolen to begin with.

    And just to finish, how many people have called into the Garda stations to look at the recovered bikes sitting there not matched up????

    Sorry to hijack a good worthwhile thread but these comments are really unfair and make my blood boil.


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    #481
    k123456
    Registered Users Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭k123456


    Hi Eru

    Can bike owners register the bike serial number online with the GArdai


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