What's with all the Anti-Arthur Day campaign ?

wolfpawnat · 23-09-2013 11:44am

tin79 wrote: »

You seem angry

No, just sick of the "Ah you Drunken Irish" jibes and knowing that A&E's across Ireland are full of "Well I only had a few". Other than that, I couldn't care less. If people did drink responsibly on the day, just what they themselves can handle and had a good time then great, if not, it becomes a problem, for them and those who have to deal with their drunken stupidness.

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Spoilsport

Not saying get rid of the day, just that people need to cop on and drink responsibly, whatever that means for them personally.

awec · 23-09-2013 11:45am

hawkwind23 wrote: »

cretinous comment!

as far as i know he has admitted alcoholism.

i dont think i need to document the tragedy that such a disease can inflict on a person and their loved ones.

so he has a different view on the drinking culture in ireland and decides to voice his opinions, whats wrong with that?

is it because his opinion doesnt agree with yours?
5 years of his talent brushed aside because he voices an opinion?

wow!

His preaching to people is daft. Many people can enjoy a drink and are able to know when enough is enough. Christy Moore needs to realise this - not everyone is like him. Give it a rest, and go back to singing about wee villages down the country.

I also couldn't give two sh!tes about his talent either, having talent doesn't mean you are immune from criticism.

Though, I do find the outrage from you about people criticising Moore for just voicing an opinion hiliarious given that you've called people "scum" and "cretinous" for disagreeing with you and him.

Dravokivich · 23-09-2013 11:47am

Busted Flat. wrote: »

What product in this country is truly Irish ?. Apart from beef.

Truly Irish, pork products?

Bigcheeze · 23-09-2013 11:49am

crusher000 wrote: »

Maybe I'm outside of their demographic and don't get drawn in.

crusher000 wrote: »

One or two pints no good to me.

Sounds like you've been well drawn in already.

23-09-2013 11:52am

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

German beerfests usually feature more than one beer from one brewer.

This is central.

It's just disappointing that a whole nation, when told by a drinks company to go out on a particular day and buy their drinks, will not only do as they're told, like lemmings, but be so grateful for the instruction that they'll congratulate each other all day about it.

Reekwind · 23-09-2013 11:54am

awec wrote: »

Though, I do find the outrage from you about people criticising Moore for just voicing an opinion hiliarious given that you've called people "scum" and "cretinous" for disagreeing with you and him.

I'm assuming that the latter comments were directed against those morons who equate alcoholism with just being "unable to handle a drink". Telling someone to shut up because they've had alcohol problems isn't particularly classy

AnonoBoy · 23-09-2013 11:55am

Busted Flat. wrote: »

What product in this country is truly Irish ?. Apart from beef.

Siucra?

Its name is even spelled in Irish!

bnt · 23-09-2013 11:56am

crusher000 wrote: »

Yes it's a marketing ploy but hay if you have a product and you want to sell what else would you do ?.

Well, cheaper Guinness on the day would help ... while I'm not strongly against it, I can't forget that Diageo is a multinational corporation, and everything about the day seems to be aimed at their bottom line. They try to make it sound like they're "giving something back", but it's all take and no give. That's my problem with it: the hypocrisy.

Dravokivich · 23-09-2013 11:56am

Reekwind wrote: »

I'm assuming that the latter comments were directed against those morons who equate alcoholism with just being "unable to handle a drink". Telling someone to shut up because they've had alcohol problems isn't particularly classy

It was more of, because you had problems with something, doesn't mean everyone else will have problems with the same thing.

hawkwind23 · 23-09-2013 11:58am

awec wrote: »

His preaching to people is daft. Many people can enjoy a drink and are able to know when enough is enough. Christy Moore needs to realise this - not everyone is like him. Give it a rest, and go back to singing about wee villages down the country.

I also couldn't give two sh!tes about his talent either, having talent doesn't mean you are immune from criticism.

Though, I do find the outrage from you about people criticising Moore for just voicing an opinion hiliarious given that you've called people "scum" and "cretinous" for disagreeing with you and him.

no im calling people cretinous and scum for making snidey comments about two of irelands most talented musicians , these childish swipes appear to be because he has voiced an opinion that some disagree with.
both musicians have enjoyed enormous success and have their songs ingrained into the irish psyche.

to suggest they are nothing more than country pub crooners is ludicrous so do criticise away at moore and scott but do try to back these claims up or else i can only surmise your talking through your backside.

23-09-2013 12:01pm

Kind of hilarious that the two parts of Christy Moore's song that I remember are

"Happy Happy Happy Happy Arthur's day" (good job putting me off it there Christy)

And the fact that he mentioned Primal Scream were playing it - that got my attenion and made me want to get tickets.

Busted Flat. · 23-09-2013 12:01pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Siucra?

Its name is even spelled in Irish!

No longer made in this country.

Reekwind · 23-09-2013 12:04pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

It was more of, because you had problems with something, doesn't mean everyone else will have problems with the same thing.

Which is daft in itself. That's the sort of logic that says that rape victims shouldn't campaign on issues of sexual violence or that men should stay quiet about fathers' rights

It's a typically Irish thing to do though: hint that the person raising the issue is the problem and then belittle them through reference to their experience with the issue. Christy doesn't like Arthur's Day? What matter, he's a bitter drunk with a sagging career!

And that's being generous to your interpretation of that post. I don't think it was meant solely in that vein. At the very least it was horribly worded

sparksfly · 23-09-2013 12:06pm

Busted Flat. wrote: »

What product in this country is truly Irish ?. Apart from beef.

Lyons tea, wait, its not irish anymore, packed in England for Dutch firm Unilever.
HB ice cream, crap, not irish either, it too is made by Unilever in the UK.
Good old fruitfield jam....
Suicre suga...
Jacobs Biscu.......

You are dead right, Truly Irish and our beef are truly Irish I suppose.

RainyDay · 23-09-2013 12:07pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/a-hard-day-s-night-12-hours-in-a-dublin-a-e-1.1534744

But the single biggest problem is alcohol. If we could just reduce the amount of alcohol consumed.

Who's going to pay the ambulance and A&E bill for Arthur's Day?

Dravokivich · 23-09-2013 12:08pm

Reekwind wrote: »

Which is daft in itself. That's the sort of logic that says that rape victims shouldn't campaign on issues of sexual violence or that men should stay quiet about fathers' rights

It's a typically Irish thing to do though: hint that the person raising the issue is the problem and then belittle them through reference to their experience with the issue. Christy doesn't like Arthur's Day? What matter, he's a bitter drunk with a sagging career!

And that's being generous to your interpretation of that post. I don't think it was meant solely in that vein. At the very least it was horribly worded

No it isn't. You are just looking to pull it to extremes, emotionally tar the discussion and heavily distorting it in doing so. He has a problem as an addict, some people have issues as addicts. A lot of people, do not. This is all Awec said, and what I said meant.

Brendan Flowers · 23-09-2013 12:15pm

hawkwind23 wrote: »

some of the comments about christy moore and mike scott are hateful and really reflect the scum mindset of those who make the snipes.

both are talented musicians having presence for over 50 years each in the music industry.

hey snipers , have you been at the top of your games for so long?
or do you just make cheap shots at folk along the way?

pathetic

on the subject of arthurs day , ill take the few free pints and a bit of music , other than that , you can stick arthurs day up your arse

Aaahhh.....isn't that the whole point of Arthur's Day?

AnonoBoy · 23-09-2013 12:15pm

Busted Flat. wrote: »

No longer made in this country.

But its name is spelled in IRISH!????? :eek:

I've been lied to.

gobnaitolunacy · 23-09-2013 12:17pm

sparksfly wrote: »

You are dead right, Truly Irish and our beef are truly Irish I suppose.

The beef was found not to be totally Irish and not all beef either...

RobertKK · 23-09-2013 12:17pm

I can't believe people fall for Arthur's day, which Diageo claim is to celebrate the pub and Irish music.
It is a marketing campaign with the simple point of raising brand awareness, and increasing the profits of Diageo.

A 30% rise in A&E admissions last year show there are a lot of people who fall for Diageo's marketing campaign, which is good news for the people who have invested in their shares, rather than those who invested in potential liver problems.

hatrickpatrick · 23-09-2013 12:30pm

A Facebook group with less than 5,000 fans, a song by one artist and (surprise surprise) a condemnation from the medical community?

I'd hardly call that a "massive" backlash. There's always been animosity towards Arthur's Day - to be honest I'd argue there are far more animosity last year than there has been so far this year.

It's pretty much part of the occasion now. Wouldn't be the same without it

Ghost Buster · 23-09-2013 12:31pm

crusher000 wrote: »

Okay this seems to be building more and more. So let me say 1. I am a drinker and 2. I have never celebrated Arthurs Day.

Christy Moore and The WaterBoys have brought out seperate songs against Arthur Day. Yes it's a marketing ploy but hay if you have a product and you want to sell what else would you do ?. Lie in a ditch and wait for someone to come along and buy your product ? Germany is famous for it's beerfests and they go on for a week at a time but that's okay. Like it or not if tourists give reasons why the visit Ireland one of the reasons will be to drink the Guiness. Not all tourists come here for that but some do. The day can get messy and we've seen the pictures in the paper and clips on youtube.

So why the big campaign now against Guiness ?

I saw exactly the same thing this weekend when Longford did their 'Little Mayo' thing. Their FB page kept getting comment to the effect of 'Ah sure its all a money making stunt, trying to get Mayo people to stop off on the way and spend' yadda yadda yadda.
**** YES THAT WAS EXACTLY THE IDEA!
If you don't like it don't participate.

Reekwind · 23-09-2013 12:33pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

No it isn't. You are just looking to pull it to extremes, emotionally tar the discussion and heavily distorting it in doing so. He has a problem as an addict, some people have issues as addicts. A lot of people, do not. This is all Awec said, and what I said meant.

And the suggestion from Awec and others is that, as an addict, Christy's position somehow carries less weight. That his condition has 'made him a Nazi' and that he should "give it a rest, and go back to singing about wee villages down the country"

Those are the words used and I fail to see how does that not tally with what I said above?

We're in the bizarre situation where people would presumably attach more weight to his word if we weren't in a situation where "not everyone is like him". That is, if he didn't have any experience with alcoholism then his warnings about alcoholism wouldn't be rubbished. How strange

Busted Flat. · 23-09-2013 12:36pm

Where would Ireland be, if we didn't have our high and mighty whingers. For starters we wouldn't have Whine line.

anncoates · 23-09-2013 12:43pm

It's one of the irritating trends on boards in recent times that anybody that criticizes - usually anything or anybody Irish, I might add - anything is told something along the lines of Just Don't Use/Go/Watch If you Don't like It etc or the old fail-safe moron chestnut of "begrdugery".

It's a pretty effete and spastic way of countering criticism.

It's a discussion forum. Criticizing something doesn't mean people are issuing a holy edict forbidding you to think otherwise.

Menas · 23-09-2013 12:48pm

Arthurs day does not bother me. But if we have to start sending 'Happy Arthurs Day' cards then I will stomp my feet.

Czarcasm · 23-09-2013 12:50pm

Reekwind wrote: »

And the suggestion from Awec and others is that, as an addict, Christy's position somehow carries less weight. That his condition has 'made him a Nazi' and that he should "give it a rest, and go back to singing about wee villages down the country"

Those are the words used and I fail to see how does that not tally with what I said above?

We're in the bizarre situation where people would presumably attach more weight to his word if we weren't in a situation where "not everyone is like him". That is, if he didn't have any experience with alcoholism then his warnings about alcoholism wouldn't be rubbished. How strange

Christy's problem is that he doesn't know when to shut up. It's that simple. His "ordinary man" facade fell away when he called the Irish a nation of docile obedient shít takers. He seems to forget it was the same docile, obedient shít takers that bought his records in the first place that gave him the platform to take a dump on the Irish people.

Why should ANYONE listen to him? I couldn't care less whether he could or couldn't handle alcohol responsibly, the majority of people can, and for the minority that can't, well, they're not going to care about Christy's opinion much either.

He can eff off as far as I'm concerned with his bitter little rants. I won't be bothered being out on Thursday because I usually go for a drink on a Friday night, and I'm not too pushed about drinking black písswater, because that's all it'll be Thursday as publicans try to keep up with demand. I'd sooner relax and have my few drinks Friday night instead of being shoved, pushed and prodded to get to the bar for "me free pint". Fcuking keep it! :pac:

WindSock · 23-09-2013 12:53pm

As much as I like a nice pint of Guinness, I am in two minds about this day. It is good for tourism etc, but if Diageo are going to completely exploit and promote our perceived drinking culture then they can use it to promote homegrown Irish music too. What percentage of the acts are even Irish?

Menas · 23-09-2013 12:57pm

WindSock wrote: »

As much as I like a nice pint of Guinness, I am in two minds about this day. It is good for tourism etc, but if Diageo are going to completely exploit and promote our perceived drinking culture then they can use it to promote homegrown Irish music too. What percentage of the acts are even Irish?

Is AD really good for tourism? I honestly never thought of that as I cant see any people planning a trip to Ireland just for AD?
I could be wrong.

Mr Whirly · 23-09-2013 12:59pm

awec wrote: »

His preaching to people is daft. Many people can enjoy a drink and are able to know when enough is enough. Christy Moore needs to realise this - not everyone is like him. Give it a rest, and go back to singing about wee villages down the country.

I also couldn't give two sh!tes about his talent either, having talent doesn't mean you are immune from criticism.

Though, I do find the outrage from you about people criticising Moore for just voicing an opinion hiliarious given that you've called people "scum" and "cretinous" for disagreeing with you and him.

I'd say your problem with Christy has more to do with his politics but continue on being a bad bastard about his alcoholism so you can slate the man.

crusher000 · 23-09-2013 12:59pm

Okay National Fish & Chip day lets have a go at that. Far more obese children from eating chips than drinking Guiness.

The Drunk'n Irish, we seem to use this term more than people form outside the Country so this is more an inner reflection on us , than a perception by people from outside the country. Bankrupt Ireland. Corrupt Ireland would be more apt names for some on this island than drunk'n.

Education not legislation will lead to responsible drinking, answer to everything increase taxes or ban.

The RSA probably lead the way in education didn't hear take the cars of the irresponsible , if you break the law your caught, the rest of the population that drive responsibly have nothing to fear. Same for those of us whom enjoy a drink, and yes may get taken in by marketing at times , but not all the time. Heineken Cup, Bulmers Comedy Festival. Alcohol sponsorship has funded many music festivals too. Will Christy et al be pulling out of these events ? As it's our money that goes towards them.

Surveyor11 · 23-09-2013 1:01pm

Diageo are a London-based multi-national trying top sell more of the black stuff, sales of which have being declining here for years. I have to say I agreed with the 250 thing for the first one, but it's got a bit tired now. I'm sure loads will participate, but it's just now for me.

conorhal · 23-09-2013 1:01pm

Franticfrank wrote: »

Don't tell Christy Oktoberfest just started. Seriously, as someone else just pointed out, Germans have beerfests all the time. There's stuff like "World Astra Day" in Hamburg involving shameless advertising and everyone just goes out and gets hammered. How come when we do it, it's a big problem? If you're not interested, just stay at home!

I'm off the Oktoberfest this weekend Wooohoo! I've been several times before and I'm always impressed at how well run the event is and how little trouble you see in tents that accomodate 8 thousand people driking 5.8abv beers by the litre.
They serve 6.9 million litres of beer at Oktoberfest, the event is visited by 6.4 million visitors. This goes some way to explaining the reason that it's not a violent sloppy affair, your average visitor has a couple of beers and goes home. In Ireland you'd get 100 visitors to a boozy event and they'd drink 600 beers between them.
It's easier to blame Diagio then it is ourselves for the manner in which we use and abuse alcohol, better they recieve our faux wrath than the parents that set a poor example or the permissive acceptance of drunkenness in public.

crusher000 · 23-09-2013 1:05pm

I was in Dublin last week and passed St. James Gate they're were people working in there. Have I missed something ? It's all robots.

News Flash : Diageo are multi national but hire people here just like other multi nationals.

run_Forrest_run · 23-09-2013 1:06pm

bnt wrote: »

Well, cheaper Guinness on the day would help ... while I'm not strongly against it, I can't forget that Diageo is a multinational corporation, and everything about the day seems to be aimed at their bottom line. They try to make it sound like they're "giving something back", but it's all take and no give. That's my problem with it: the hypocrisy.

yeah but it's a business, their main objective is to make money not to give back, don't con yourself. And if you see a commercial entity 'giving something back' then you have been duped, businesses do not give, they take. Simple as that

Dravokivich · 23-09-2013 1:10pm

Reekwind wrote: »

And the suggestion from Awec and others is that, as an addict, Christy's position somehow carries less weight. That his condition has 'made him a Nazi' and that he should "give it a rest, and go back to singing about wee villages down the country"

Those are the words used and I fail to see how does that not tally with what I said above?

We're in the bizarre situation where people would presumably attach more weight to his word if we weren't in a situation where "not everyone is like him". That is, if he didn't have any experience with alcoholism then his warnings about alcoholism wouldn't be rubbished. How strange

Awec's comments are of an extreme nature, in response to PR against Arthur's Day being put out in an extreme nature. It's like for like. Its not direct intention on his part, its reactionary.

Two Tone from Limehouse · 23-09-2013 1:11pm

hawkwind23 wrote: »

some of the comments about christy moore and mike scott are hateful and really reflect the scum mindset of those who make the snipes.

both are talented musicians having presence for over 50 years each in the music industry.

hey snipers , have you been at the top of your games for so long?
or do you just make cheap shots at folk along the way?

pathetic

on the subject of arthurs day , ill take the few free pints and a bit of music , other than that , you can stick arthurs day up your arse

Scum? Very personal attack in my opinion.

By the way, since when has Christy Moore been at 'the top if his game'. FFS

WindSock · 23-09-2013 1:12pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Is AD really good for tourism? I honestly never thought of that as I cant see any people planning a trip to Ireland just for AD?
I could be wrong.

Actually I have no idea. I am just guessing it might be attractive to some people to come over here to enjoy a weekend of cheap Guinness, music agus craicadiddley-i.
It certainly won't hurt the economy if it encourages people to head out and socialise in the only manner in which we seemingly know how. Although I the damage caused to furthering our cultural stereotype remains to be seen.

Also, it is not a national holiday. There is nothing national about it. And also x2 leave Christy alone. He's a legend and he's always had an opinion, why should he discontinue to have one now?

Dravokivich · 23-09-2013 1:15pm

WindSock wrote: »

Also, it is not a national holiday. There is nothing national about it. And also x2 leave Christy alone. He's a legend and he's always had an opinion, why should he discontinue to have one now?

I reckon because the opinion he's promoting is similar to treating us like kids from the perspective of a disappointed parent.

Menas · 23-09-2013 1:16pm

Perhaps we could combine mothers day, fathers day, arthurs day and national fish and chip day.

You then simply take both parents down the pub, have a feed of pints and a fish supper on the way home.

4 birds one stone.

crusher000 · 23-09-2013 1:17pm

We should have a day without alcohol day . Actually we have two Good Friday & Christmas day and how the alcohol sales rocket on the days leading up to these. Super marketing by the hungry, filthy fingered alcohol companies.

Suggestion let us purchase alcohol on these day and watch sales level out.

awec · 23-09-2013 1:20pm

Mr Whirly wrote: »

I'd say your problem with Christy has more to do with his politics but continue on being a bad bastard about his alcoholism so you can slate the man.

He has politics?

Mr Whirly · 23-09-2013 1:24pm

awec wrote: »

He has politics?

Yeah, quite Nationalist ones too. You'd love them. We'll continue on pretending you didn't know that already if you want.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 23-09-2013 1:25pm

i'd say your problem with awec is more to do with his politics than his comments about christy

awec · 23-09-2013 1:28pm

Mr Whirly wrote: »

Yeah, quite Nationalist ones too. You'd love them. We'll continue on pretending you didn't know that already if you want.

I honestly had never heard of the man until earlier on this year. My girlfriend's parents are Moore fans - if I didn't know her I'm pretty sure I still wouldn't know who Christy Moore is.

It would be hard to put in to words just how much of a nobody Christy Moore is in my eyes. His thoughts on politics, whatever they may be, carry no more weight to me than any other individual's thoughts.

seamus · 23-09-2013 1:28pm

All this anti-AD stuff has probably been cooked up by the Diageo marketing team.

Every second radio show and every single newspaper had been talking about Arthur's Day for the last week. You can't buy advertising like that.

The only ones being "duped" are the people who've jumped on the anti-AD bandwagon, unwittingly allowing themselves to be used in a big Diageo marketing campaign.

Let's put it this way; I've seen very few actual advertisements for Arthur's Day around. However, I still know that it's this Thursday because those opposed to it won't stop talking about it. By wittering on about it, they've basically ensured that everyone in the country knows Arthur's day is this Thursday, rather than just a subset of the population.

Mr Whirly · 23-09-2013 1:31pm

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

i'd say your problem with awec is more to do with his politics than his comments about christy

It's not really to be honest. It was a very disingenuous attack on Christy though.

VONSHIRACH · 23-09-2013 1:31pm

I think the country has more serious problems than Arthur's Day. It is regrettable that there is alcoholism around, but most people who drink like to have a responsible social drink. I am not a Guinness drinker, but I'll probably have a pint of it on Thursday as I am visting a hotel that day anyway. I don't understand what all the negative hullabuloo about AD is all about. There is much more drinking on St. Patricks's Day, St. Stephen's Day, Good Friday!, 6 Nations, All-Ireland, Heineken Cup....................

donutheadhomer · 23-09-2013 1:39pm

whiskeyman wrote: »

If it takes 750 years for the water in Ballygown to be filtered through calcium-enriched limestone, I think they should market a similar themed day to celebrate this fact.
Call it 'Calcium-Enriched Limestone Day', and have everyone toast a pint of Ballygowns finest!
To Calcium Enriched Limestone!!

That'll cut the A&E admissions that day...

no the suicide rate would go up with people drowning in the ballygowan

ThisRegard · 23-09-2013 1:40pm

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

yeah but it's a business, their main objective is to make money not to give back, don't con yourself. And if you see a commercial entity 'giving something back' then you have been duped, businesses do not give, they take. Simple as that

You mean the staff work there for free ? And the benefits to the local community through various long running schemes are all made up in the peoples heads who actually benefit from them ?

What's with all the Anti-Arthur Day campaign ?

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