Irish drug traffickers escape LatinAmerican jail

Kinzig · 16-08-2013 1:40am

whats all the fuss?..just a couple of lads that were trying to get home for "the gathering"..damn fine effort too!:)

darced · 16-08-2013 2:25am

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.jacksparrow. · 16-08-2013 2:30am

Never even heard on these, yet these other 2 girls are everywhere now, strange.

the flananator · 16-08-2013 3:15am

I'm inclined to say fair play to them. Bitta coke, like.

paddy147 · 16-08-2013 3:57am

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Never even heard on these, yet these other 2 girls are everywhere now, strange.

Maybe because they dont have fannies....just a guess here...:pac:

The 2 lads are so lucky to be home...someone really must have been looking down on them as they escaped.

Still doesnt change the fact that they are still convicted drug smugglers....which is very serious and bad,and not something to be proud of.......not in my eyes anyway.

Infact its the most idiotic/stupidest thing to do,and not worth any amount of money,no matter how tempting it may seem and sound.Lining the pockets of a big drug dealer,and possibly killing others from the drugs you smuggle is very very bad.No sympathy for anyone (man or woman) who gets caught doing it.

JONJO THE MISER · 16-08-2013 4:51am

Now if i was a company interviewing for a job i would give these guys a chance no problem, instead of the usual spiel people give about how they got through adversity and the like when answering interview questions, it took guts and ingenuity to escape a South American prison.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 16-08-2013 7:21am

martinedwards wrote: »

Ireland has a long history of not extraditing people wanted for crimes in other countries.

As does the UK, who refused to extradite of of the greatest monsters of the 20th century General Pinochet.

Shiraz 4.99 · 16-08-2013 8:36am

So how come the 2 girls are Florence Nightingale & Mother Teresa while the 2 lads are "scumbags" ?.

I presume the Guards will have to bring them in for an auld chat soon to make them look someway proactive, a time wasting charade to appease the media.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 16-08-2013 8:40am

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

So how come the 2 girls are Florence Nightingale & Mother Teresa while the 2 lads are "scumbags" ?.

I presume the Guards will have to bring them in for an auld chat soon to make them look someway proactive, a time wasting charade to appease the media.

The Guards have no grounds to question them as reported in todays papers.

fibonaccii · 16-08-2013 8:46am

To all the people who say all the drug smugglers etc should rot in prison etc, do you have any idea why/how they got into it in the first place no, you don't, its just your complete ignorance to say "all druggies should be killed".

I really ****ing hate yer attitude. What about the scumbags in government that create the black market by keeping drugs illegal.

gobnaitolunacy · 16-08-2013 8:46am

paddy147 wrote: »

Maybe because they dont have fannies....just a guess here...:pac:

Crudely put, but correct.

Smacks of reality tv, hence the meeja interest...how well will two European girls get on in a Peruvian jail.

There's hardly a peep about it in Peru, there's a drugs mule caught nearly every second day there.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 16-08-2013 8:47am

fibonaccii wrote: »

To all the people who say all the drug smugglers etc should rot in prison etc, do you have any idea why/how they got into it in the first place no, you don't, its just your complete ignorance to say "all druggies should be killed".

I really ****ing hate yer attitude. What about the scumbags in government that create the black market by keeping drugs illegal.

All drug smugglers should be left to rot, their stock in trade is misery and heartbreak.
Drugs are illegal for a reason ffs!

fibonaccii · 16-08-2013 8:56am

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

All drug smugglers should be left to rot, their stock in trade is misery and heartbreak.
Drugs are illegal for a reason ffs!

They supply a market which there is demand for, which the governments create. Legalise certain drugs in the morning you no longer have these problems.

BillJ · 16-08-2013 9:02am

I reckon this story would make a good film!

JONJO THE MISER · 16-08-2013 9:16am

This news story comes from the prison that they were held in http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=357319&CategoryId=10717

http://caracaschronicles.com/2013/02/06/pgv-is-just-one-small-glimpse-of-hell/

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 16-08-2013 9:21am

fibonaccii wrote: »

They supply a market which there is demand for, which the governments create. Legalise certain drugs in the morning you no longer have these problems.

Child pornographers supply a market that there is a demand for too!
Legalize drugs and you still have to deal and pay for the misery they create.
Personally I support the Thai/Malyasian/Singaporian method of dealing with these skangers who deal in heroin/coke etc...

fibonaccii · 16-08-2013 9:26am

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Child pornographers supply a market that there is a demand for too!
Legalize drugs and you still have to deal and pay for the misery they create.
Personally I support the Thai/Malyasian/Singaporian method of dealing with these skangers who deal in heroin/coke etc...

Drugs and child porn? that a fairly ridicules comparison. They only people drug user hurt is themselves, Yes it does bring hurt to their family's as in money etc but this is because the market is run by scumbags. If the market was run by the government and drug user where treated as patients, there wouldn't be the same problems as there is today. People like you are just brainwashed by what you read and see in the media, with 0 first hand experience.

Amirani · 16-08-2013 9:27am

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

As does the UK, who refused to extradite of of the greatest monsters of the 20th century General Pinochet.

That's because him and Thatcher were best buddies.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 16-08-2013 9:31am

fibonaccii wrote: »

Drugs and child porn? that a fairly ridicules comparison. They only people drug user hurt is themselves, Yes it does bring hurt to their family's as in money etc but this is because the market is run by scumbags. If the market was run by the government and drug user where treated as patients, there wouldn't be the same problems as there is today. People like you are just brainwashed by what you read and see in the media, with 0 first hand experience.

You are the one basing your argument for legalizing the trade in deadly drugs on the basis that that there is market for them, we kiddo there are markets for lots of things!
Drugs do immense harm, to the users,their families, their children, and society generally.
The economic cost to the state is huge. None of that would change by legalizing them.

gobnaitolunacy · 16-08-2013 9:33am

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Child pornographers supply a market that there is a demand for too!
Legalize drugs and you still have to deal and pay for the misery they create.
Personally I support the Thai/Malyasian/Singaporian method of dealing with these skangers who deal in heroin/coke etc...

You can be hanged in Singapore for bringing in hash. Is capital punishment excessive for soft drugs? A one-size-fits-all?

StephenHendry · 16-08-2013 9:38am

im not surprised the lads escaped the jail over there, the condition of those jails in latin america is almost subhuman.

R P McMurphy · 16-08-2013 9:41am

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

All drug smugglers should be left to rot, their stock in trade is misery and heartbreak.
Drugs are illegal for a reason ffs!

Why do all of your posts read like a sun editorial

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 16-08-2013 9:45am

R P McMurphy wrote: »

Why do all of your posts read like a sun editorial

Unlike yourself I wouldn't be familiar with the Sun or its editorials, i stopped reading comics when I was kid.
You should try the Irish Times or The Guardian:P

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 16-08-2013 9:52am

fibonaccii wrote: »

To all the people who say all the drug smugglers etc should rot in prison etc, do you have any idea why/how they got into it in the first place no, you don't, its just your complete ignorance to say "all druggies should be killed".

I really ****ing hate yer attitude. What about the scumbags in government that create the black market by keeping drugs illegal.

Not sure where anybody said "all druggies should be killed", it's probably because it wasn't.

Drugs and child porn? that a fairly ridicules comparison. They only people drug user hurt is themselves, Yes it does bring hurt to their family's as in money etc but this is because the market is run by scumbags. If the market was run by the government and drug user where treated as patients, there wouldn't be the same problems as there is today. People like you are just brainwashed by what you read and see in the media, with 0 first hand experience.

The above in itself is fairly ignorant. Kettle, pot?

You believe that the user is the only victim? Oh, the family only suffer financially. You don't believe anybody else suffers? Are you having a laugh?

Treat all drug users as patients? Explain this a little more to me. Should we have hospitals, or treat them as outpatients. Should this be paid by taxes? What kind of drug users should avail of this?

Zero experience you say. I may have more experience in this than you know. Last year a mate of mine died from taking drugs. Some jumped up junky broke into my house and robbed us with a fcuking meat cleaver. They wrote off my housemates car, pity the little príck didn't kill himself in the process. 2 mates were mugged by these little scumbags too.

So yea, hard drug use hurts more than just the user ffs. Open your eyes and try think outside the box.

Banjo String · 16-08-2013 10:00am

Fair balls to them.

Drug smuggling is bad mmmkay. But one of the lads was innocent (ish) they also beat the system. Then made it from Latin America back to Athlone.

Latin America - Athlone. As fugitives.

That alone deserves some credit.

tigger123 · 16-08-2013 10:02am

Can't help but think "fair play to yis" when I heard this. While I don't agree with what they did I think a sentence of 11 years in a Venezuelan prison is disproportionate to their crime. Mixed feelings about it, but some pair of cojones on those two.

keithclancy · 16-08-2013 10:24am

tigger123 wrote: »

Can't help but think "fair play to yis" when I heard this. While I don't agree with what they did I think a sentence of 11 years in a Venezuelan prison is disproportionate to their crime. Mixed feelings about it, but some pair of cojones on those two.

Disproportionate ?

Try Singapore ... they have the Death Penalty for smuggling.

snubbleste · 16-08-2013 11:22am

They are not the only convicted drug runner jailbreakers. This is an rté documentary from 2011
Cocaine Diaries: Story of a Drug Mule

It was supposed to be a straightforward drug run for a local gang with a payment of €15k to carry the drugs, with a street value of over €500k, back to Ireland. But when security officers closed in, the drug mule knew the game was up. He faced 8 years in Los Teques prison, outside Caracas, one of the world's most brutal jails. Just over two years into his sentence, several stone lighter from a hunger strike and recovering from an infection he nearly died from, he decides to flee. On his way home after several days of a bus-ride across the Andean mountains he makes his way to the border to Colombia and bribes his way into the neighbouring country. Finally, at Bogota airport he boards a flight to Dublin.

Amirani · 16-08-2013 11:22am

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Unlike yourself I wouldn't be familiar with the Sun or its editorials, i stopped reading comics when I was kid.
You should try the Irish Times or The Guardian:P

Interesting you read two papers that have completely different editorial viewpoints to yourself. Both the Irish Times and the Guardian would be generally anti-capital punishment, and fairly liberal in general.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 16-08-2013 11:25am

NiallSparky wrote: »

Interesting you read two papers that have completely different editorial viewpoints to yourself. Both the Irish Times and the Guardian would be generally anti-capital punishment, and fairly liberal in general.

Either are better than your choice, the Sun. I read newspapers for news, not to have my every view dictated by them.

AckwelFoley · 16-08-2013 11:26am

snubbleste wrote: »

with 10 years left to serve.. and magically reappear in Ireland!

How did they get passports and flights and are AnGarda not worried about these jailbreakers living back in Ireland etc etc?

No. Not at all. Athlone has alot of drug dealers. Its the biggest heroin center in ireland outside Dublin.

Between that and Athlone town being top of division 1 and heading for promotion..im bursting with pride

16-08-2013 11:27am

camphor wrote: »

Who on earth would escape from prison and then go to Athlone??? The mind boggles!

Out of the frying pan, into the midlands hell hole

AckwelFoley · 16-08-2013 11:29am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Out of the frying pan, into the midlands hell hole

Yes. But still better than Dublin. Dublin.. thats an epic hell hole full of scumbags and tosspots. There's no doubt some nice people there but they get lost within the stereotype

Amirani · 16-08-2013 11:30am

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Either are better than your choice, the Sun. I read newspapers for news, not to have my every view dictated by them.

I never mentioned The Sun.

Also, it's a good attitude to have in relation to news, albeit a rare enough one.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 16-08-2013 11:34am

NiallSparky wrote: »

I never mentioned The Sun.

Also, it's a good attitude to have in relation to news, albeit a rare enough one.

Apologies Niall, the original poster who decided to attack the poster instead of the post questioned why my all of posts read like editorials from the sun.

donegal_road · 16-08-2013 11:39am

any word on how these guys managed to escape yet? Someone must be looking to do a story on it.. or does anyone on boards from Athlone know anyone who has spoken to them?

snubbleste · 16-08-2013 11:41am

donegal_road wrote: »

any word on how these guys managed to escape yet? Someone must be looking to do a story on it.. or does anyone on boards from Athlone know anyone who has spoken to them?

It's mentioned in the link of the first post.

Boombastic · 16-08-2013 1:05pm

Gardai won't quiz brothers who fled Venezuela jail

I would have thought if the Gardai were serious on the 'War on Drugs', they would at least interview them to see who they intended passing it on to in Ireland and what other links they had here.

I hold the Gardai to too high a standard and expect too much from them

Seaneh · 16-08-2013 1:16pm

donegal_road wrote: »

any word on how these guys managed to escape yet? Someone must be looking to do a story on it.. or does anyone on boards from Athlone know anyone who has spoken to them?

Their brother was in my year in school, I'd know them to chat to from school and having family near their home house. Haven't heard from anyone about it though, I'd say they are just keeping the head down to be honest.

BraziliaNZ · 16-08-2013 1:18pm

Fair play to them. At least they'll have some interesting stories to tell. I hate when people bring morality into the drugs debate. If I want to do a line of coke I will.

Boombastic · 16-08-2013 1:19pm

Seaneh wrote: »

Their brother was in my year in school, I'd know them to chat to from school and having family near their home house. Haven't heard from anyone about it though, I'd say they are just keeping the head down to be honest.

Can you give your family a bell on the phone there and see what the story is for us?

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 16-08-2013 1:21pm

Boombastic wrote: »

Gardai won't quiz brothers who fled Venezuela jail

I would have thought if the Gardai were serious on the 'War on Drugs', they would at least interview them to see who they intended passing it on to in Ireland and what other links they had here.

I hold the Gardai to too high a standard and expect too much from them

The Gardai would have no legal grounds to arrest them, the little skangers would sue for compensation.:mad:

Boombastic · 16-08-2013 1:23pm

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

The Gardai would have no legal grounds to arrest them, the little skangers would sue for compensation.:mad:

No need to arrest them, but surely question and gather intelligence? :pac:

camphor · 16-08-2013 1:26pm

Boombastic wrote: »

No need to arrest them, but surely question and gather intelligence? :pac:

There is no obligation on anyone to answer questions from the garda. They would not say anything.

Billy86 · 16-08-2013 1:28pm

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

The Gardai would have no legal grounds to arrest them, the little skangers would sue for compensation.:mad:

I honestly don't have a breeze on this from a legal POV, but surely as they were in jail for smuggling on a flight bound for Ireland, and didn't get out through legal means, the Gards would have some jurisdiction to do something, right?

A shame if not, because I reckon "we'll send you back there!" would be enough to get them spilling the beans on it's own (then again, there likely would not be legal grounds to do so... but again, not a breeze on my end!).

Seaneh · 16-08-2013 1:31pm

Billy86 wrote: »

I honestly don't have a breeze on this from a legal POV, but surely as they were in jail for smuggling on a flight bound for Ireland, and didn't get out through legal means, the Gards would have some jurisdiction to do something, right?

A shame if not, because I reckon "we'll send you back there!" would be enough to get them spilling the beans on it's own (then again, there likely would not be legal grounds to do so... but again, not a breeze on my end!).

They weren't on s flight to anywhere, they were arrested in the city, and they would have been flying to Spain. There are no direct flights from Ireland to Venezuela.

Carlos Orange · 16-08-2013 1:32pm

fibonaccii wrote: »

Drugs and child porn? that a fairly ridicules comparison. They only people drug user hurt is themselves, Yes it does bring hurt to their family's as in money etc but this is because the market is run by scumbags. If the market was run by the government and drug user where treated as patients, there wouldn't be the same problems as there is today. People like you are just brainwashed by what you read and see in the media, with 0 first hand experience.

In this fictitious government run market where drug users are treated as patients who is paying for everything? I suspect it might not be the drug users.

Egan2012 · 16-08-2013 1:32pm

I just don't think they should be hailed as heroes for escaping. At the end of the day they are drug mules, the same as the 2 women in Peru.
I was on Facebook yesterday and came across a page setup to support the 2 women in Peru. Does this put across that people are supporting drug mules.
In my opinion they saw easy money and went for it. Who's to say they didn't do it before and didn't get caught? They are looking at a long prison stay in a ****hole.
Even if they are innocent they were still caught with 1.7 million euro worth of coke on them.

cletus van damme · 16-08-2013 1:34pm

Genesis Yummy Riffraff wrote: »

Not sure where anybody said "all druggies should be killed", it's probably because it wasn't.

The above in itself is fairly ignorant. Kettle, pot?

You believe that the user is the only victim? Oh, the family only suffer financially. You don't believe anybody else suffers? Are you having a laugh?

Treat all drug users as patients? Explain this a little more to me. Should we have hospitals, or treat them as outpatients. Should this be paid by taxes? What kind of drug users should avail of this?

Zero experience you say. I may have more experience in this than you know. Last year a mate of mine died from taking drugs. Some jumped up junky broke into my house and robbed us with a fcuking meat cleaver. They wrote off my housemates car, pity the little príck didn't kill himself in the process. 2 mates were mugged by these little scumbags too.

So yea, hard drug use hurts more than just the user ffs. Open your eyes and try think outside the box.

you are silly if you think users are victims or problematic.
Your post reads like you believe all drug users are violent robbers. the vast majority are not.

drusg abusers now are a different story but that is no different to somebody who abuses alcohol , food or other stuff.

Billy86 · 16-08-2013 1:34pm

Seaneh wrote: »

They weren't on s flight to anywhere, they were arrested in the city, and they would have been flying to Spain. There are no direct flights from Ireland to Venezuela.

Aaahhh bugger. Forgot that; didn't know the plane was set for Spain either. At that rate to have a hope in hell I guess they would have to raise it to a higher body, and yeah I suppose that body would likely have little interest given that there would be ways for them to weasel out of it. Though in truth if they were going to Spain, my guess whoever they were giving it to was due to be some nondescript person that they might struggle to identify if they even genuinely wanted to.

Irish drug traffickers escape LatinAmerican jail

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