MOTO GP 2012

B bopp · 27-02-2012 10:05pm #1

Whats anyones thoughts for the new season.... Are the Honda sgoing to be all dominating????. what will Rossi be up to???.... will spies and lorenzo bring enough to develop the yamaha?? What about the CRT bikes

ZX7R · 27-02-2012 10:20pm

I think it will be stoner again this year,also i think rossi might be more hungary than ever this year hope he gets the duke working.randy de punae might surprise us a cople of times on his CRT aprila.looking forward to this years season, it be like when i started to watch it first hopefully there will be plenty of battles right trough the grid:D

Grim. · 27-02-2012 10:24pm

It'll be between Stoner and Lorenzo again imo.

We should have a clearer idea of where the Ducati is after this weeks test but I'm not expecting much maybe some podiums this year but that will be it, hope I'm wrong though.

The Aprilia CRT is looking promising and could be nipping at the heels of the satellite bikes after a couple of races the rest of them have a long way to go though.

B bopp · 27-02-2012 10:29pm

not sure if the yamaha will be there... Rossi will definitely be hungry. as much as it annoys me to say it i think this is his last chance..... Randy is the worlds greatest pilot who never finished a race... age might have tamed him a bit and the cost of fixing the bikes apparently

Grim. · 27-02-2012 10:37pm

I think the Yamaha will be a bit like last year with not quite the ultimate pace of the Honda but over race distance they should be close enough.

ZX7R · 27-02-2012 10:44pm

some of the italian gossip/sport magzines reckon MR HONDA will have a bike for rossi if he wants to walk away from ducati,cant see it happening myslef,also heard paul birds CRT kawasaki kept blowing there engines when they fitted seramic disks ,seems the engine oil rushed to the head and notting in the sump when they excelerated out of the coners....BOOM:eek:

Grim. · 27-02-2012 10:49pm

ZX7R wrote: »

some of the italian gossip/sport magzines reckon MR HONDA will have a bike for rossi if he wants to walk away from ducati,cant see it happening myslef,

not a hope i would say Honda are loving Rossi's situation atm

also heard paul birds CRT kawasaki kept blowing there engines when they fitted seramic disks ,seems the engine oil rushed to the head and notting in the sump when they excelerated out of the coners....BOOM:eek:

Hadn't heard that pretty crazy how powerful carbon ceramic brakes are, would of thought something like baffles would have sorted a problem like that

B bopp · 27-02-2012 10:52pm

not a chance that rossi would go back to honda after how they treated him in the end......theres a chance he would get on a yamaha, but again i doubt it... Ceramic brakes are savage its like throwing out an anchor literally...

ZX7R · 27-02-2012 11:13pm

How do you think Bradle will do this year on the honda could he be a dark horse for a top 3 finish???
will abraham be on a works ducati next year if nicky doesent have a good seasion...
hope dovi realy sticks it to repsol and rides the wheels off the tech 3

B bopp · 27-02-2012 11:22pm

Bradl is a cracking pilot.. he should do ok... i dont think the jump from moto 2 to moto gp is as big as the jump was before from 250's so he shouldn't go through the crash bandicoot stage of coming to motogp. Dont think abraham is worth a full factory ride.. i'm not in the camp of " only for his daddy" stuff but i don't think he would get a factory ride on his own merits..if ducati are smart they will be looking hard at moto 2 this year and try and poach marquez away from honda and have the repsol sponsorship to boot.

Please Kill Me · 27-02-2012 11:23pm

My thoughts (based on what I've read/heard)....

Rossi has a bike he can ride. It might not be a threat to the Honda's, but he reckons he can push a lot harder than he did last year.

Spies could/should be able to give Lorenzo a run for his money. The 1000cc's suits him better. He's been flying in the practice sessions.

Lorenzo has a team mate that could threaten him and so has a lot to prove.

Stoner will more than likely dominate the season.

The CRT teams may end up being mobile chicanes which could make the racing interesting when the front runner catch up to the back-markers.

The only man who could have potentially f**ked it up for any and all of these was Simoncelli, and unfortunately his career was cut short.

Bautista has his ride now, and if it's the same machinery (as in factory bike in satellite colours) he could be a dark horse.

All I can say is ROLL ON THE 8TH OF APRIL!!!!!!!!! :cool:

B bopp · 27-02-2012 11:28pm

really don't rate bautista.... a hangeron at best....spies could be the man this year alright...

Please Kill Me · 27-02-2012 11:30pm

B bopp wrote: »

really don't rate bautista.... a hangeron at best....spies could be the man this year alright...

I didn't either TBH, but I thought he was pretty impressive for the best part, especially toward the end of the season. It's a case of waiting to see what he does. I doubt he'll be a danger to anyone, but I reckon he'll be up there.

As for Spies - God I hope so. I love the guy's riding style and he was robbed that win by Stoner!! He should have had two wins under his belt now.

ZX7R · 27-02-2012 11:42pm

B bopp wrote: »

Bradl is a cracking pilot.. he should do ok... i dont think the jump from moto 2 to moto gp is as big as the jump was before from 250's so he shouldn't go through the crash bandicoot stage of coming to motogp. Dont think abraham is worth a full factory ride.. i'm not in the camp of " only for his daddy" stuff but i don't think he would get a factory ride on his own merits..if ducati are smart they will be looking hard at moto 2 this year and try and poach marquez away from honda and have the repsol sponsorship to boot.

As far as i know marquez is a contracted honda rider and that is why they kept him in moto 2, dani pedrosa contract is finished this year leaving the door open for marquez he would have to ride a costomer honda but it would still be in repsol colours, honda dont want to rush marquez as they did with pedrosa,i dont think ducati have the cash to poach him from honda.

ZX7R · 27-02-2012 11:48pm

spies has to win 3 or more races this year to keep his factory ride part of his contract with yamaha

B bopp · 27-02-2012 11:48pm

actually sorry lads have to retract a previous statement about bautista... it was barbera i was thinking of.... bautista was unlucky last year with injuries and that bleedin suzuki

frostie500 · 27-02-2012 11:49pm

ZX7R wrote: »

As far as i know marquez is a contracted honda rider and that is why they kept him in moto 2, dani pedrosa contract is finished this year leaving the door open for marquez he would have to ride a costomer honda but it would still be in repsol colours, honda dont want to rush marquez as they did with pedrosa,i dont think ducati have the cash to poach him from honda.

Marquez isnt a contracted Honda rider he's a Repsol sponsored rider. He was free to move to any team in the paddock this year and even though there were MotoGP contracts on offer he decided to stay in Moto2, it wasnt Honda making the decision. Of course it does seem that Honda have made a promise to hire him next year.

As far as Dani is concerned how did Honda rush him into the premier class? He spent three years in 125s and two in 250s and won three titles. There was no reason to keep him in 250s for another year

B bopp · 27-02-2012 11:56pm

marquez will have to bulk up a bit to ride the 1000's i always get that feeling that pedrosa wouldn't have suffered the same level of injuries if he was a little more substantial

ZX7R · 28-02-2012 12:00am

frostie500 wrote: »

Marquez isnt a contracted Honda rider he's a Repsol sponsored rider. He was free to move to any team in the paddock this year and even though there were MotoGP contracts on offer he decided to stay in Moto2, it wasnt Honda making the decision. Of course it does seem that Honda have made a promise to hire him next year.

As far as Dani is concerned how did Honda rush him into the premier class? He spent three years in 125s and two in 250s and won three titles. There was no reason to keep him in 250s for another year

As i said i tought he was a contracted honda rider i stand corected.
I think honda rushed dani in to the premier class because repsol wanted a spanish rider in the team i dont think he was ready

Please Kill Me · 28-02-2012 12:08am

B bopp wrote: »

actually sorry lads have to retract a previous statement about bautista... it was barbera i was thinking of.... bautista was unlucky last year with injuries and that bleedin suzuki

Yes, that makes more sense alright. Don't like Barbera at all!

Please Kill Me · 28-02-2012 12:09am

B bopp wrote: »

marquez will have to bulk up a bit to ride the 1000's i always get that feeling that pedrosa wouldn't have suffered the same level of injuries if he was a little more substantial

It would help immensely if Pedrosa wasn't made of feckin' porcelain!!! :pac:

ZX7R · 28-02-2012 12:16am

Wonder if this is pedrosa last year at a shot of winning the champonship

B bopp · 28-02-2012 12:18am

yup... and i don't think he has a snowballs chance...too many other realistic candidates

Please Kill Me · 28-02-2012 12:24am

ZX7R wrote: »

Wonder if this is pedrosa last year at a shot of winning the champonship

B bopp wrote: »

yup... and i don't think he has a snowballs chance...too many other realistic candidates

As much as I like the guy (although my estimation of the guy went down after the Simoncelli incident after Le Mans last year when he wouldn't shake Simo's hand) and he IS quick, but he's too inconsistent. He will be runner up this year again, and that's about it.

B bopp · 28-02-2012 12:30am

wonder does he regret not shaking his hand... i would think normally lorenzo would feel bad about the stuff he caused with simo last year but he's too much of a ****...

ZX7R · 28-02-2012 12:37am

I think alberto puig had a lot to do with dani not shaking simo's hand :mad:

Please Kill Me · 28-02-2012 12:48am

B bopp wrote: »

wonder does he regret not shaking his hand... i would think normally lorenzo would feel bad about the stuff he caused with simo last year but he's too much of a ****...

Well I know in the book of condolences at Simo's funeral, Lorenzo signed it saying (among other things) "I'm sorry we had words". As much as I hate the f**king weasel, at least he had the decency to do that. As for Dani, I reckon he regrets it alright. He was just pissed off, but he's not a b0llix by nature.

B bopp · 28-02-2012 12:51am

Who do you think might be the surprise of 2012

Please Kill Me · 28-02-2012 12:59am

B bopp wrote: »

Who do you think might be the surprise of 2012

God, that's a tough one!! Stoner not crying or whinging would be a HUGE surprise! :pac: As for riders - I reckon Rossi fighting back, Spies doing REALLY well or Bautista mixing it up with the front runners.

What do you reckon yourself?

B bopp · 28-02-2012 1:05am

Please Kill Me wrote: »

B bopp wrote: »

Who do you think might be the surprise of 2012

God, that's a tough one!! Stoner not crying or whinging would be a HUGE surprise! :pac: As for riders - I reckon Rossi fighting back, Spies doing REALLY well or Bautista mixing it up with the front runners.

What do you reckon yourself?

Definitely agree with you about the whinging aussie. ha ha ha. dovi on the tech 3. Spies will be interesting. Can't wait to see the difference between the prototypes and the CRT. bikes. will it really be 2-3 seconds a lap.

Please Kill Me · 28-02-2012 1:12am

B bopp wrote: »

Definitely agree with you about the whinging aussie. ha ha ha. dovi on the tech 3. Spies will be interesting. Can't wait to see the difference between the prototypes and the CRT. bikes. will it really be 2-3 seconds a lap.

I believe (unless things have changed) that it could be as much as 4 seconds per lap difference!!

Yeah, Dovi on the Tech 3 will be interesting. Crutchlow better pull something out of his arse or Dovi WILL show him up!!!! Pity they had to lose Edwards though. He didn't really do much, but what a bloke!!!!!!!!!!

ZX7R · 28-02-2012 10:09am

Edwards may not have wone anything but you have to give him most of the credit for devloping the 800 era yamaha .Funny one about stoner whinging, PLEASE KILL ME you had me laughing as i read it:D but he is dam good on a bike.
The surprise for me might be dovi on the teck 3,he will have a chip on his shoulder with honda for the way they treated him.
A big suprise might be a wet race you might get a CRT bike in the top three or even win,what would your toughts be on that...

Please Kill Me · 28-02-2012 2:04pm

ZX7R wrote: »

Edwards may not have wone anything but you have to give him most of the credit for devloping the 800 era yamaha .Funny one about stoner whinging, PLEASE KILL ME you had me laughing as i read it:D but he is dam good on a bike.
The surprise for me might be dovi on the teck 3,he will have a chip on his shoulder with honda for the way they treated him.
A big suprise might be a wet race you might get a CRT bike in the top three or even win,what would your toughts be on that...

Ah I love Edwards, he's the funniest f**ker out there, and lots of character and a down-to-earth nice bloke. The others could take a leaf out of his book!

Re: Stoner. Look, we'll call a spade an earth digging implement!! He's a savage on the bike, no doubt about it. He just grabs it by the scruff and goes for it. He makes it look so easy. But he undoes how popular he COULD be by being a little bitch. I feel sorry for his missus, now with TWO crying babies in the house!! :pac:

I never really rated Dovi, he was always another "also ran", but he did pretty good last season. I'd like to see him do well on the Tech 3. Even to finish in front of Pedrosa would be enough for him!

CRT's in a wet race. Hmmmm, I don't know. It could certainly make it interesting alright. Even with the more experienced lads like DePuniet and Edwards. I believe the issue with them is not necessarily power, but the chassis. Not as well balanced as the MotoGP bikes, so it MAY be an issue. Remains to be seen I suppose.

B bopp · 28-02-2012 9:44pm

Yeah the CRT bikes could be in the running in damp or wet conditions. but if you think about it how will they handle any better than a prototype. i know the rain is a leveller but still the full bikes should be much quicker

ZX7R · 28-02-2012 10:52pm

Most CRT riders will probaly see a wet race as there best chance to shine they would proably take more chances,where as most or the top riders wont take chances if they are fighting for the title,it will be intresting to see.
Stoner was fastest in testing today .I was surprised at dovi been so slow he seem's to be finding it hard to adapt to the yamaha ,haydan was fastest ducati,i wounder if rossi is sand bagging and playing mind games with the others???

B bopp · 28-02-2012 10:55pm

Rossi ..... mind games.....surely not....

Monkeybonkers · 28-02-2012 11:05pm

My prediction for this year:

1. Stoner

2. Spies

3. Lorenzo

Tough for the 2nd and 3rd but this is the way I'd prefer it so I'll go with that. Couple of podiums for Rossi and De Puniet the dark horse for maybe a race win. I just hope it's a good season with some exciting races. Can't see past my man Stoner though to take the title.

B bopp · 28-02-2012 11:09pm

Monkeybonkers wrote: »

My prediction for this year:

1. Stoner

2. Spies

3. Lorenzo

Tough for the 2nd and 3rd but this is the way I'd prefer it so I'll go with that. Couple of podiums for Rossi and De Puniet the dark horse for maybe a race win. I just hope it's a good season with some exciting races. Can't see past my man Stoner though to take the title.

I hear ya. it's hard to not see stoner. wringing the hondas neck and winning alot . but really don't want the cry baby to win the title again. i even accept Lorenzo before that.

ZX7R · 28-02-2012 11:16pm

Wonder what odds stoner is in the buckies:pac:

who thinks stoner will beat doohan's number of world titles?

B bopp · 28-02-2012 11:19pm

ZX7R wrote: »

Wonder what odds stoner is in the buckies:pac:

who thinks stoner will beat doohan's number of world titles?

I wouldn't say the odds would be great. doubt if he will get much more title possibly 2012 but there is too much young blood coming up.

Infoanon · 28-02-2012 11:40pm

Dark horse for the season - Alvaro Bautista - he did wonders on the Suzuki and although he has not get a works bike he will be one to watch.

Expect Stoner to dominate though, Lorenzo is quicker than Spies while Dani will need to avoid crashes to havee any hope. Dovi - just missing that 'something' which separates the good from the great.

What about Moto 2 or Moto 3 ?! pick a winner from that bunch of nutters !
Would have gone for Marquez as a certainty for Moto 2 but he has not recovered yet from the double vision so it could be anyones to take.

Roll on Easter Sunday April 8th !

h3000 · 28-02-2012 11:40pm

ZX7R wrote: »

Wonder what odds stoner is in the buckies:pac:

who thinks stoner will beat doohan's number of world titles?

10/11

B bopp · 28-02-2012 11:43pm

Moto 2 is nearly like the grand national now. last man standing to cross the line wins. 40 bikes into the first corner is always entertaining.

h3000 · 28-02-2012 11:45pm

B bopp wrote: »

Moto 2 is nearly like the grand national now. last man standing to cross the line wins. 40 bikes into the first corner is always entertaining.

Moto2 has seen much better racing than MotoGP. I love the Moto2 races.

ZX7R · 29-02-2012 10:52am

I would also have to go with marquez for moto 2 title,it is a great class some great battles ,but i dont like the fact that they all run the same engine.
i think any of the aspar riders woud be a safe bet to win moto 3 title...

frostie500 · 29-02-2012 1:51pm

ZX7R wrote: »

i think any of the aspar riders woud be a safe bet to win moto 3 title...

Dont be jumping on that bandwagon, Aspar are still to prove that they can engineer a four stroke bike to same degree that they could with the two strokes. look at their struggles in Moto2 and its pretty clear that they didnt have the same understanding of the new engine as compared to 250s. They'll clearly get it at some point but until they do i wouldnt be putting money on them winning

Please Kill Me · 29-02-2012 3:32pm

Agreed with the comments on the Moto2. Some of them races were amazing last year and were even better than the MotoGP itself. It was a close race for the title. Very exciting and very entertaining.

ZX7R · 29-02-2012 11:22pm

frostie500 wrote: »

Dont be jumping on that bandwagon, Aspar are still to prove that they can engineer a four stroke bike to same degree that they could with the two strokes. look at their struggles in Moto2 and its pretty clear that they didnt have the same understanding of the new engine as compared to 250s. They'll clearly get it at some point but until they do i wouldnt be putting money on them winning

Aspar team riders were some of the quickest juring there last testing in moto 3.
As far as there team in moto 2 i would put it down to there riders not adepting to the 4 strokes,they have toral and elias on there bikes this year i think they be front runners and probale race winners with elias

frostie500 · 01-03-2012 12:37am

ZX7R wrote: »

Aspar team riders were some of the quickest juring there last testing in moto 3.
As far as there team in moto 2 i would put it down to there riders not adepting to the 4 strokes,they have toral and elias on there bikes this year i think they be front runners and probale race winners with elias

I wouldnt be at all surprised to see them turn it around this year, the team has shown they know how to win races and titles but until they get over the hump with a four-stroke bike doubts are going to remain. With Elias on the bike there's no excuse if they cant perform this year.

Please Kill Me · 01-03-2012 11:15am

frostie500 wrote: »

I wouldnt be at all surprised to see them turn it around this year, the team has shown they know how to win races and titles but until they get over the hump with a four-stroke bike doubts are going to remain. With Elias on the bike there's no excuse if they cant perform this year.

Elias was finr in WSBK but did f**k all in MotoGP last year. We know how he is riding, but how is he developing a bike?

ZX7R · 01-03-2012 11:35am

Please Kill Me wrote: »

Elias was finr in WSBK but did f**k all in MotoGP last year. We know how he is riding, but how is he developing a bike?

It should be easier for elias to develop a moto 2 bike he has only been away from them for one year and they dont run bridgestone tyres in moto2 also he is a world title holder in the class. he could not develop the moto gp bike because he could not use the bridgestones.How many world class riders have we seen in moto gp that could not get there bike to work due to the bridgestone tyres

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