Punching a woman - Justified or not? - MOD WARNING FIRST POST

Amirani · 23-04-2014 2:34pm

It's hard to know without seeing the situation.

She punched your mate, fair enough. However, just because someone assaults you, doesn't necessarily give you the right to assault them back, unless they're a continuing threat. If she tried to hit you afterwards or your mate again, it's perfectly justified in my eyes.

I don't understand why people see a difference between hitting a man and hitting a woman. Neither is a good thing to do, but if you're defending yourself or someone else, both are acceptable.

bumper234 · 23-04-2014 2:35pm

Diego Simeone wrote: »

It's hard to know without seeing the situation.

She punched your mate, fair enough. However, just because someone assaults you, doesn't necessarily give you the right to assault them back, unless they're a continuing threat. If she tried to hit you afterwards or your mate again, it's perfectly justified in my eyes.

I don't understand why people see a difference between hitting a man and hitting a woman. Neither is a good thing to do, but if you're defending yourself or someone else, both are acceptable.

:eek:

MagicIRL · 23-04-2014 2:37pm

Diego Simeone wrote: »

However, just because someone assaults you, doesn't necessarily give you the right to assault them back, unless they're a continuing threat. If she tried to hit you afterwards or your mate again, it's perfectly justified in my eyes.

I disagree. If someone swings at you, you don't need to wait for the second punch. Knock the ****er out. The second punch could be one that does the damage to your good self.

As with any fight, be it in aggression or self defence, be prepared for the consequences of your actions. These things are rarely black and white.

Legs.Eleven · 23-04-2014 2:38pm

MagicIRL wrote: »

I disagree. If someone swings at you, you don't need to wait for the second punch. Knock the ****er out. The second punch could be one that does the damage to your good self.

As with any fight, be it in aggression or self defence, be prepared for the consequences of your actions. These things are rarely black and white.

I like your signature. That was my all time favourite post on Boards.

Amirani · 23-04-2014 2:40pm

MagicIRL wrote: »

I disagree. If someone swings at you, you don't need to wait for the second punch. Knock the ****er out. The second punch could be one that does the damage to your good self.

As with any fight, be it in aggression or self defence, be prepared for the consequences of your actions. These things are rarely black and white.

Lets say somebody hits you and runs away. Is it okay to spend 5 minutes chasing them and then punch them? How about if you wait until the next day and then punch them?

Assault is only really justified as self defence, not as revenge. From the situation the OP described, it probably was self defence, and thus probably justified.

Amirani · 23-04-2014 2:42pm

bumper234 wrote: »

:eek:

You forgot to highlight the rest of my sentence?

:P

bumper234 · 23-04-2014 2:43pm

Diego Simeone wrote: »

You forgot to highlight the rest of my sentence?

:P

No because the bolded was the relevant part imo. If someone punches me and then steps back does that mean they are no longer a "threat" and therefore not deserving of a punch back?

jamo2oo9 · 23-04-2014 2:45pm

Just to clear up any queries posters have posted,

-The girl I punched was roughly taller than me, not much and my friend is only 5ft2". I'm 5ft9".

-There was only one punch thrown by me and the tall girl.

-I didn't punch her and hit her again after I chinned her (replacing the "decking" word as suggested by a poster...). I simply picked my friend off the floor and left for the bathrooms where she fixed herself up and then we left soon afterwards.

MagicIRL · 23-04-2014 2:48pm

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Lets say somebody hits you and runs away. Is it okay to spend 5 minutes chasing them and then punch them? How about if you wait until the next day and then punch them?

Assault is only really justified as self defence, not as revenge. From the situation the OP described, it probably was self defence, and thus probably justified.

If you chase the attacker down, you're getting in to all sorts of trouble. If you react to a situation to protect yourself, you're doing just that. I'm not saying you'll get away with it, but a jury should see the difference.

Anyone who throws a punch at anyone else should expect the exact same in response. Violence only ever begets more violence. I like to think, if I was in that situation, that I would be able to deal with it without violence but I reckon I would've just flattened the bitch, too.

Amirani · 23-04-2014 2:49pm

bumper234 wrote: »

No because the bolded was the relevant part imo. If someone punches me and then steps back does that mean they are no longer a "threat" and therefore not deserving of a punch back?

It all depends on whether you still perceive them as a threat, which was the rest of my sentence. If they step back and you still think they're a threat, it's justified. If you go after them and try punch them out of revenge or for bravado reasons, it's not justified.

Amirani · 23-04-2014 2:51pm

MagicIRL wrote: »

If you chase the attacker down, you're getting in to all sorts of trouble. If you react to a situation to protect yourself, you're doing just that. I'm not saying you'll get away with it, but a jury should see the difference.

That's what I said in my initial post? Assaulting someone in order to protect yourself is understandable. Assaulting someone to get revenge isn't.

anncoates · 23-04-2014 2:51pm

Just a standard night out in Louth, I would have thought.

bumper234 · 23-04-2014 2:52pm

Diego Simeone wrote: »

It all depends on whether you still perceive them as a threat, which was the rest of my sentence. If they step back and you still think they're a threat, it's justified. If you go after them and try punch them out of revenge or for bravado reasons, it's not justified.

So someone assaults you, turns and walks away, you shrug your shoulders because that person is no longer a threat?

kona · 23-04-2014 2:54pm

HugsiePie wrote: »

I just think the main issue here is a girl punched his friend and the op punched back

In fairness the op may have been heavier than the girl in question, and hes not mentioned if his friend is heavy or petite.

I just dont see what weight has to do with the moral of the issue at hand

The op has asked if his actions were justified, just because the girl was 7ft or 3ft changes his dilemma. Lets say his actions were justified....would they still be justified if the girl was a "healthy" weight or small...weight doesnt automatically equal strength. Im also sorry but I dont understand what you mean by the first half of your post.

Just because the girl may have been strong or weak does not change the question...was he right to hit a girl, is it more justifiable that he did because shes heavy?

So because you have a vagina you can expect to hit people without fear of counter attack?

GenieOz · 23-04-2014 2:54pm

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Just to clear up any queries posters have posted,

-The girl I punched was roughly taller than me, not much and my friend is only 5ft2". I'm 5ft9".

-There was only one punch thrown by me and the tall girl.

-I didn't punch her and hit her again after I chinned her (replacing the "decking" word as suggested by a poster...). I simply picked my friend off the floor and left for the bathrooms where she fixed herself up and then we left soon afterwards.

You did the right thing.

Temptamperu · 23-04-2014 2:55pm

bumper234 wrote: »

So someone assaults you, turns and walks away, you shrug your shoulders because that person is no longer a threat?

Yes.

bumper234 · 23-04-2014 2:56pm

Temptamperu wrote: »

Yes.

Lol and then people wonder why they are victims.

Warper · 23-04-2014 2:56pm

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

So I was out last night with the lads, few pints and shots were had and then I went straight for the dancefloor looking to settle for my score for the night. As I was going through different women on the floor, I danced with them for a bit to see if they were interested. If not, I'd move on to the next one. At one stage, there was a "fat bitch" (should say well-built tall girl..) and I didn't want to look like an arsehole, ignoring her so I danced with her for a bit but moved on as I wasn't interested.

Next I met my friend so I started chatting up with her until suddenly, I was pushed aside by this fat bitch I danced before and she floored my friend. Gave my friend a bloody nose so I reacted instantly and decked her in the face. When she fell, she looked like the twin towers falling. I never met this cúnt before and I was lost at why did she punch my friend for no reason. Jealousy?

Was that punch I threw justified or did I step over the line?

Ah Louth people

alleystar · 23-04-2014 2:56pm

Would you have punched her if you were attracted to her?

Doubt it.

If it's true, she seems like a nutter but you seem just as bad IMO.

BraziliaNZ · 23-04-2014 2:58pm

Wrong. You weren't in any danger, you could have restrained tubby and asked the bouncers to throw her out. Punching her is assault imo.

myshirt · 23-04-2014 2:58pm

I once seen a girl give a fella a good slap now, a nice peach. He paused for a bit, turned his head back to looking at her straight, kind of growled, and then hit her an unmerciful headbutt. Bust her nose, eyesocket and knocked out some of her teeth. She bounced off the ground.

Compare this to a lady waiting for a taxi once, who was beating her husband. She had an impressive left hook, and good balance. Quick hands. But he didn't touch her or lash out. He couldn't really restrain her or bear hug her as she was too quick on her feet, but should he have?

I think if someone is going to come at you aggressively like that, they are fair game, but broadly, no, please do not hit anyone. It is not good. A lot of the skill of getting out of a confrontational situation is in managing it, not breaking someone up.

kona · 23-04-2014 2:58pm

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Lets say somebody hits you and runs away. Is it okay to spend 5 minutes chasing them and then punch them? How about if you wait until the next day and then punch them?

Assault is only really justified as self defence, not as revenge. From the situation the OP described, it probably was self defence, and thus probably justified.

Or just fall to the ground and roll around after getting a flick in the leg, then jump up when David gets thrown out... Eh Diego?

Yellowblackbird · 23-04-2014 2:59pm

"Shome times a dame needs a good shmack"
Humphrey Bogart 1938

Artful_Badger · 23-04-2014 3:00pm

Has to be a troll but seeing as there's 12 pages. You should be arrested for assault OP.

GenieOz · 23-04-2014 3:01pm

Artful_Badger wrote: »

Has to be a troll but seeing as there's 12 pages. You should be arrested for assault OP.

Shouldn't she be arrested aswell?

Amirani · 23-04-2014 3:01pm

kona wrote: »

Or just fall to the ground and roll around after getting a flick in the leg, then jump up when David gets thrown out... Eh Diego?

Touché.

Temptamperu · 23-04-2014 3:03pm

bumper234 wrote: »

Lol and then people wonder why they are victims.

It is foolish to chase after revenge and that doesn't make you a victim.

pundy · 23-04-2014 3:04pm

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I started my post as a bit of a boast/the craic. You're implying he started this thread for similar reasons? Boasting about violence. Nice one. *Raises eyes in the air condescendingly*

Edit: People seemed to like what I did btw. The OP? Meh! Not so much!

ah thats a sh!te comeback

B.A._Baracus · 23-04-2014 3:07pm

Diego Simeone wrote: »

It all depends on whether you still perceive them as a threat, which was the rest of my sentence. If they step back and you still think they're a threat, it's justified. If you go after them and try punch them out of revenge or for bravado reasons, it's not justified.

You do realise when we apply this to the real world its all bollocks :pac:

If someone hits you and you dont hit them back. Not even making a gesture of standing your ground... doesnt matter if they've stepped back... all too often you'll be seen as a soft touch and you'll get more punches.

HugsiePie · 23-04-2014 3:07pm

2 wrongs dont make a right

bumper234 · 23-04-2014 3:08pm

Temptamperu wrote: »

It is foolish to chase after revenge and that doesn't make you a victim.

chasing after revenge does not

Standing there and taking it does.

pundy · 23-04-2014 3:10pm

cant wait to go out on saturday and start fights with some fat b!tches

Ray Palmer · 23-04-2014 3:23pm

gumbo1 wrote: »

You absolute scumbag! "Flooring a fat bitch" forany reason is never justified. I ccertainly hope that you got floored shortly afterwards!

When I was 12 there was this really irritating girl. She apparently "liked" me so was always trying to get my attention. Eventually I told her I really disliked her and not to bother me.

Her 14 year old sister arrived the next day and threw rocks at me and when she knocked me off my bike she came over and kicked me on the ground. I got up and punched her smack in the face.

A day later my mother calls me in and no happy as she had been told I attacked a girl. I told her what happened and she said I still had to apologise. She told me any girl at that age could be pregnant. Which is something I took to heart.

I then explained that this girl was a good foot taller than me and out weighed me by a few stone and was not like other girls. I said I would never apologise as she attacked me and I defended myself. My mother accepted that but did try to get me to say I was sorry.

Anyway time moved on and one of the brothers attacked me as revenge some 5 years later which I assure you he regrets to this day.

Anyway this woman is now still about 5 stone heavier than me and at least half a foot taller than me. She is also a very butch lesbian with a lot of tattoos and a motorbike. I always said she wasn't like other girls and if she attacked me now I still think she would have an unfair weight and height advantage.

What is funny is I shagged the sister who was the cause of all the problem as she grew up to be quite pretty.

I would resist hitting a woman but I would do it if they were a similar or larger size or build. The same with anybody but I don't really get into physical altercations.

MRnotlob606 · 23-04-2014 3:25pm

kneemos wrote: »

Sound like you hate women.Are you gay?

A gay man has much more respect for a woman then that...

GenieOz · 23-04-2014 3:26pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

A gay man has much more respect for a woman then that...

Really, all of them?

MRnotlob606 · 23-04-2014 3:27pm

Ray Palmer wrote: »

When I was 12 there was this really irritating girl. She apparently "liked" me so was always trying to get my attention. Eventually I told her I really disliked her and not to bother me.

Her 14 year old sister arrived the next day and threw rocks at me and when she knocked me off my bike she came over and kicked me on the ground. I got up and punched her smack in the face.

A day later my mother calls me in and no happy as she had been told I attacked a girl. I told her what happened and she said I still had to apologise. She told me any girl at that age could be pregnant. Which is something I took to heart.

I then explained that this girl was a good foot taller than me and out weighed me by a few stone and was not like other girls. I said I would never apologise as she attacked me and I defended myself. My mother accepted that but did try to get me to say I was sorry.

Anyway time moved on and one of the brothers attacked me as revenge some 5 years later which I assure you he regrets to this day.

Anyway this woman is now still about 5 stone heavier than me and at least half a foot taller than me. She is also a very butch lesbian with a lot of tattoos and a motorbike. I always said she wasn't like other girls and if she attacked me now I still think she would have an unfair weight and height advantage.

What is funny is I shagged the sister who was the cause of all the problem as she grew up to be quite pretty.

I would resist hitting a woman but I would do it if they were a similar or larger size or build. The same with anybody but I don't really get into physical altercations.

I think you might be a part of the problem

Amirani · 23-04-2014 3:27pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I think you might be a part of the problem

I think it would be fair to assume that the shagging was consensual. How does that make him part of the problem?

jimgoose · 23-04-2014 3:27pm

Regardless of gender, anyone who punches me is quite likely to get one in return fairly lively, possibly with more back-spin than they were expecting.

Artful_Badger · 23-04-2014 3:29pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

A gay man has much more respect for a woman then that...

I believe the appropriate response to that post would have been.

Sine when did gay men hate women ?

Madam · 23-04-2014 3:32pm

I'm just surprised there were no doormen about and that he wasn't ejected (along with the punchee), or at least the police should have been called for the 'assaults' that took place:( I bet your mammy loves you OP:rolleyes:

suicide_circus · 23-04-2014 3:34pm

I defended myself against a drunk ex girlfriend who attacked me. Didnt punch her but sent her flying with a very violent push. Drew my arms back and shot two open hands into her shoulders as hard as I could. I was very angry and she had slapped punched and kicked me at that stage. She then started crying and telling me she loved me. We then had a serious ride. Toxic as fook. True story.

jimgoose · 23-04-2014 3:35pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

I defended myself against a drunk ex girlfriend who attacked me. Didnt punch her but sent her flying with a very violent push. Drew my arms back and shot two open hands into her shoulders as hard as I could. I was very angry and she had slapped punched and kicked me at that stage. She then started crying and telling me she loved me. We then had a serious ride.

Fight Sex. Daycint. :cool:

Legs.Eleven · 23-04-2014 3:35pm

pundy wrote: »

ah thats a sh!te comeback

Why would I need a comeback?

Legs.Eleven · 23-04-2014 3:38pm

pundy wrote: »

cant wait to go out on saturday and start fights with some fat b!tches

That's hilarious. 10/10 for wit.

Ray Palmer · 23-04-2014 3:47pm

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I think you might be a part of the problem

Years after all events.

DeltaWhite · 23-04-2014 3:49pm

All I can say to the OP is - EW

I would honestly rather gauge out my own eyeballs rather than have you dance up to me in a nightclub.

Your attitude sucks bigtime, and I wouldnt even care if you looked like Tom Hardy - I'd rather DIE than have you within a mile radius of me..

You sound like a total dirtbag and honestly - would not be surprised if youre single and alone... deffo deserve it.

MRnotlob606 · 23-04-2014 3:50pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

I defended myself against a drunk ex girlfriend who attacked me. Didnt punch her but sent her flying with a very violent push. Drew my arms back and shot two open hands into her shoulders as hard as I could. I was very angry and she had slapped punched and kicked me at that stage. She then started crying and telling me she loved me. We then had a serious ride. Toxic as fook. True story.

Well Constructed, I like the Build-up and the plot twist towards the end 10/10, Would read again.

Gannicus · 23-04-2014 3:50pm

DeltaWhite wrote: »

All I can say to the OP is - EW

I would honestly rather gauge out my own eyeballs rather than have you dance up to me in a nightclub.

Your attitude sucks bigtime, and I wouldnt even care if you looked like Tom Hardy - I'd rather DIE than have you within a mile radius of me..

You sound like a total dirtbag and honestly - would not be surprised if youre single and alone... deffo deserve it.

Holy crap!!!

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Strongly worded would be an understatement.

DeltaWhite · 23-04-2014 3:51pm

Big Steve wrote: »

Holy crap!!!

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Strongly worded would be an understatement.

What can I say - his thread caught me on a bad day

pundy · 23-04-2014 3:53pm

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

Why would I need a comeback?

ah nevermind. you'll never understand

Punching a woman - Justified or not? - MOD WARNING FIRST POST

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