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Have you ever been to a Michelin star restaurant?

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    #92
    STEINBERG
    Registered Users Posts: 248 ✭✭STEINBERG


    After recently watching the Irish master chef where they had to cook in the Hotel in Waterford, forgot the name! but it holds 1 star.

    After the amatures sent out there dishes the customers were interviewed. One guy said, "i have eaten here before, and i know the food well. They cooked it well and it tasted great, but the one thing that let the dish down for me was the plating."

    So in basically he is willing to pay all that money but is worried about how it looks on the plate,, the same fella had the camera pan across to him while he was eating and you swear to god he was afraid to taste the food with the pitiful scraps he was trying to fit on the fork. Like he was tasting baby food or something.

    For me i enjoy good food and there are plenty of good restraunts around the country that do it at half the price of these places, with the same level of service. I don't care for foams, jelly squares of some blended veg, all those stupid little things that for me is not cooking.


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    #93
    GenieOz
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    Legs.Eleven wrote: »
    YOU FILTHY PIG!! :mad: TO HELL OR TO SUPERMACS WITH YOUUUU!

    Clearly I don't know good food and want food piling on the plate :(


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    #94
    The Backwards Man
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    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Some people consider it good value to spend €16 visiting an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet like Jimmy Chungs, and stuffing their face with disgustingly cheap meat and pre-prepared vegetables floating in a sugar-laden semi-luminous sauce. Others consider it far better value to visit Chapter One and spend less than €40 on an early bird menu that is sensational in the quality of the ingredients and the technical competency of the cooking. Or €27 for 3 courses in The Pig's Ear, a place with a Michelin Bib Gourmand. You'll be filled in both, if that is your main objective. I don't think you can realistically argue that the latter option might cost a bit more, but represents far better value.

    There seems to be this peculiar development on boards whereby professing a like for good food, craft beer or decent wine marks you out as a snob. Well if that is the case, then you can mark my card as a snob.
    When you use words and phrases such as 'disgusting', 'cheap' and 'stuffing their face' you do come across as a snob. No offence.:)


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    #95
    yellow hen
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    STEINBERG wrote: »
    After recently watching the Irish master chef where they had to cook in the Hotel in Waterford, forgot the name! but it holds 1 star.

    After the amatures sent out there dishes the customers were interviewed. One guy said, "i have eaten here before, and i know the food well. They cooked it well and it tasted great, but the one thing that let the dish down for me was the plating."

    So in basically he is willing to pay all that money but is worried about how it looks on the plate,, the same fella had the camera pan across to him while he was eating and you swear to god he was afraid to taste the food with the pitiful scraps he was trying to fit on the fork. Like he was tasting baby food or something.

    For me i enjoy good food and there are plenty of good restraunts around the country that do it at half the price of these places, with the same level of service. I don't care for foams, jelly squares of some blended veg, all those stupid little things that for me is not cooking.

    It was the cliff house. I kind of get where he was coming from in that the food just looks so beautiful when it's sent out. It also tastes spectacular but I guess the Michelin star experience is the whole package.


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    #96
    The Backwards Man
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    Sir Arthur Daley wrote: »
    I find lately any kind of sauce ruins a good steak, a decent steak done rare will have succilent juices to please the pallet. Sauces can overpower the meat.
    Didn't ruin my steak, it ruined my trousers.:mad:


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    #97
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    STEINBERG wrote: »
    After recently watching the Irish master chef where they had to cook in the Hotel in Waterford, forgot the name! but it holds 1 star.

    After the amatures sent out there dishes the customers were interviewed. One guy said, "i have eaten here before, and i know the food well. They cooked it well and it tasted great, but the one thing that let the dish down for me was the plating."

    So in basically he is willing to pay all that money but is worried about how it looks on the plate,, the same fella had the camera pan across to him while he was eating and you swear to god he was afraid to taste the food with the pitiful scraps he was trying to fit on the fork. Like he was tasting baby food or something.

    For me i enjoy good food and there are plenty of good restraunts around the country that do it at half the price of these places, with the same level of service. I don't care for foams, jelly squares of some blended veg, all those stupid little things that for me is not cooking.

    The visual aesthetic of the food is important. From a pre-packaged sandwich in your local Esso to the placing of a sauce on a meal in a Michelin starred restaurant - it's visual appearance is important. Talented chef want to showcase their technical mastery and inventiveness with food.


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    #98
    The One Doctor
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    Yes, I have, but Le Bon Crubeen is far better.


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    #99
    Linka
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    GenieOz wrote: »
    Not in all of them you don't.
    It appears to be considered uncouth to serve so much food it fills you, you should be left wanting more.

    The problem is, that some people wolf down food without giving it time to settle. Others eat slower and stop when they are full. Big difference, and gorging is uncouth.


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    #100
    Legs.Eleven
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    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Some people consider it good value to spend €16 visiting an all-you-can-eat Chinese buffet like Jimmy Chungs, and stuffing their face with disgustingly cheap meat and pre-prepared vegetables floating in a sugar-laden semi-luminous sauce. Others consider it far better value to visit Chapter One and spend less than €40 on an early bird menu that is sensational in the quality of the ingredients and the technical competency of the cooking. Or €27 for 3 courses in The Pig's Ear, a place with a Michelin Bib Gourmand. You'll be filled in both, if that is your main objective. I don't think you can realistically argue that the latter option might cost a bit more, but represents far better value.

    There seems to be this peculiar development on boards whereby professing a like for good food, craft beer or decent wine marks you out as a snob. Well if that is the case, then you can mark my card as a snob.




    People are simply stating that you don't need to eat in a Michelin Star restaurant to eat well but that doesn't mean they consider Supermacs quality food. There's a middle ground.


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    #101
    Aongus Von Bismarck
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    When you use words and phrases such as 'disgusting', 'cheap' and 'stuffing their face' you do come across as a snob. No offence.:)

    I've never eaten in Jimmy Chungs, but all-you-can eat buffets with big trays of food sitting in a bain marie under lights tend to look both disgusting and cheap. Nothing snobby about that.


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    #102
    kowloon
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    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    There seems to be this peculiar development on boards whereby professing a like for good food, craft beer or decent wine marks you out as a snob. Well if that is the case, then you can mark my card as a snob.

    There's saying you like something and then there's going out of your way to profess your disdain for what others might like.

    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    I've never eaten in Jimmy Chungs, but all-you-can eat buffets with big trays of food sitting in a bain marie under lights tend to look both disgusting and cheap. Nothing snobby about that.

    I'll give you that, trays of muck drying out over several hours doesn't do it for me.


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    #103
    Legs.Eleven
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    Linka wrote: »
    The problem is, that some people wolf down food without giving it time to settle. Others eat slower and stop when they are full. Big difference, and gorging is uncouth.

    He never mentioned the word "gorging" in his post, he merely stated (sarcastically) that he wants to leave a restaurant full.


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    #104
    STEINBERG
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    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    The visual aesthetic of the food is important. From a pre-packaged sandwich in your local Esso to the placing of a sauce on a meal in a Michelin starred restaurant - it's visual appearance is important. Talented chef want to showcase their technical mastery and inventiveness with food.

    I understand that and i also understand why people eat at these places, but i suppose its just not for me, but i certainly would not talk bad about anybody that wants to go there, each to there own i guess,, im just happy with the perfectly good steak i got, and the missus her hamburger in a pub here in cork.. Great tasting food well worth the price and the staff were super friendly.


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    #105
    Rothko
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    kowloon wrote: »
    A bit of snobbery seeping through the cracks in some of the posts here.

    More than just a bit


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    #106
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    Legs.Eleven wrote: »
    People are simply stating that you don't need to eat in a Michelin Star restaurant to eat well but that doesn't mean they consider Supermacs quality food. There's a middle ground.

    I'm not disagreeing with this. I tend to eat out a lot. I enjoy it and consider it an enjoyable way to spend some of my income. It's not always in a Michelin starred place. My local place here in Germany does a glass of Pinot Noir from a local winery, along with a platter of cheeses, cured meats and freshly baked bread for less than €20. Delicious and filling.


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    #107
    GenieOz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭GenieOz


    Linka wrote: »
    The problem is, that some people wolf down food without giving it time to settle. Others eat slower and stop when they are full. Big difference, and gorging is uncouth.

    Gorging is, expecting sufficient food to fill you isn't.


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    #108
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users Posts: 7,761 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Been to chapter one, l'ecrivain, cliff house and Bon appetit (one star) and Patrick guibaulds (2 star) back in the day. Out of all of them, perhaps the cliff house edges in terms of style, presentation, service and the whole science of the cooking. Guibaulds was a bit meh - amazing service but the food disappointed.


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    #109
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    kowloon wrote: »
    There's saying you like something and then there's going out of your way to profess your disdain for what others might like.




    I'll give you that, trays of muck drying out over several hours doesn't do it for me.

    I don't like drinking ice-cold lager that tastes of nothing, carvery food that is mainly potato, cheap meat and salty gravy, or bottles of wine that cost about 12 cent a bottle when bought from the vineyard. That really seems to offend people. Not sure why.


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    #110
    Legs.Eleven
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    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    I'm not disagreeing with this. I tend to eat out a lot. I enjoy it and consider it an enjoyable way to spend some of my income. It's not always in a Michelin starred place. My local place here in Germany does a glass of Pinot Noir from a local winery, along with a platter of cheeses, cured meats and freshly baked bread for less than €20. Delicious and filling.

    So you're aware there's a middle ground then and when people state they don't have any interest in eating in a MS restaurant it doesn't mean they automatically find Jimmy Chung-whatever-the-fooks top notch food?


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    #111
    Sir Arthur Daley
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Didn't ruin my steak, it ruined my trousers.:mad:

    Coupious volumes of Guinness before a meal can have that effect.


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    #112
    SEPT 23 1989
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    Pile it high beer soaker carverys anyday


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    #113
    Frank Lee Midere
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    Legs.Eleven wrote: »
    People are simply stating that you don't need to eat in a Michelin Star restaurant to eat well but that doesn't mean they consider Supermacs quality food. There's a middle ground.

    Actually the people who didn't like the Michelin starred restaurants tended to make the jibes about going out to get a burger.

    As it happens I've learned from this thread that you can have a lunch at PG for €40 so i'll do that. Ok it's lunch and i won't have any alcohol but that would be a cheap enough meal. I spent €40 per person on a crap Easter pub dinner on Sunday. Ok we had some beer but still.

    And people easily spend that kind of money all the time. Just not on the best food.

    I don't really get other snobberies. Coffee tastes the same to me. I divide wine into good and bad. Craft beer can be too hoppy. Good food at good restaurants (not always starred) is considerably better than mediocre restaurants.


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    #114
    Legs.Eleven
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    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    I don't like drinking ice-cold lager that tastes of nothing, carvery food that is mainly potato, cheap meat and salty gravy, or bottles of wine that cost about 12 cent a bottle when bought from the vineyard. That really seems to offend people. Not sure why.


    Many people do though. No one is offended that you don't.


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    #115
    The Backwards Man
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    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    I don't like drinking ice-cold lager that tastes of nothing, carvery food that is mainly potato, cheap meat and salty gravy, or bottles of wine that cost about 12 cent a bottle when bought from the vineyard. That really seems to offend people. Not sure why.
    Neither do I.

    So what makes you better than me?


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    #116
    Legs.Eleven
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    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Actually the people who didn't like the Michelin starred restaurants tended to make the jibes about going out to get a burger.

    Stating they'd prefer a burger is not a jibe, it's stating a preference.


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    #117
    kandr10
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    I've been to quite a few, in Dublin, London and Hong Kong. I'm not swimming in cash but nevertheless I think these experiences over the years were well worth it.

    As regards portion sizes, yeah they're small but usually really rich. I've never left a Michelin starred place hungry. I should add here that I'm vegetarian so if assume if you ate meat your experience might be different. I doubt it would leave you hungrier if you had meat on your plate though.

    I completely agree that a restaurant doesn't need a star to have good food, service etc. however i do believe that the starred places have a different level going on altogether and you simply don't get the same experience elsewhere. That's not to say elsewhere is sub standard it's just different.

    Also I don't think they're all stuffy and stuck up. Take lecrevain as an example. It all depends how into the experience you are. It's worth it to me. I wouldn't spend my money on some things other people do and I wouldn't expect that everyone would want to spend their money as I do. If you're interested give it a go though!


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    #118
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Neither do I.

    So what makes you better than me?

    Where did I say I was better than you?


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    #119
    Legs.Eleven
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    Cantremember wrote: »
    You don't go to these sort of restaurants for a feed. **** off to supermacs for that. You go to appreciate the craft of cooking and the symphony of service, quality ingredients, superb cooking skills married to the best wine with the meal. It's an experience like a West End musical, El Classico or great opera. If you don't understand any of this **** off to supermacs.

    THIS is where the jibes and the unnecessary and frankly bizarre aggression and snobbery kick in.


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    #120
    Frank Lee Midere
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    Legs.Eleven wrote: »
    Stating they'd prefer a burger is not a jibe, it's stating a preference.

    Ok then so what's wrong with calling them on that preference as Von whatisname did?

    And it's a false dilemma. You can like a good burger and an expensive meal.


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    #121
    Legs.Eleven
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    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Ok then so what's wrong with calling them on that preference as Von whatisname did?

    And it's a false dilemma. You can like a good burger and an expensive meal.

    See the post I quoted.


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