Aer Lingus is worst airline

Yamanoto · 01-01-2014 3:19pm

robertxxx wrote: »

Aer lingus are good it the dreadfully designed €800million T2 they fly from that's the problem.

What issues do you have with it?

Have to say, I find it a pleasure to transit in comparison with many other airports.

gumbo1 · 01-01-2014 3:22pm

uli84 wrote: »

I hate that going from one level to another in some illogical order in T2

So you think it's illogical to go up up and away in an airport??
T2 has the quickest processing rates for pax through security, more room to manoeuvre and better facilities, ie the multi faith room the dog rest room and shops!

gozunda · 01-01-2014 3:29pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Gozunda you do know that London Gatwick is the same airport for Ryanair as well as the other airlines?
You do know that Ryanair fly to a closer airport to the centre of Rome than Aer Lingus do.
You do know that Barcelona El Prat is used by both Ryanair and Aer Lingus?
You do know that on the majority of times and dates you will find that Ryanair will be cheaper than Aer Lingus? You do know that Ryanair have an exemplary safety record? You do know that Ryanair have the youngest aircraft fleet in Europe?
They're not that bad you know;)

Of course there are other destinations but that's not the issue

Just when you do land in a place nowhere near where you want to go (that does not have public transport links) it does fairly rack up the price of "low fares" in my experience...

Cienciano · 01-01-2014 3:33pm

gumbo1 wrote: »

So you think it's illogical to go up up and away in an airport??
T2 has the quickest processing rates for pax through security, more room to manoeuvre and better facilities, ie the multi faith room the dog rest room and shops!

The quickest because it's bloody well empty.

billie1b · 01-01-2014 3:36pm

Cienciano wrote: »

The quickest because it's bloody well empty.

Was over there a couple of weeks ago having a coffee with two guys from work, went to a coffee shop at the gate area, friend of ours from T1 works there, went to say hello, she said from 07:30 that morning until 10am when we arrived she had served 12 people, 10 of them were staff

Cienciano · 01-01-2014 4:00pm

billie1b wrote: »

Was over there a couple of weeks ago having a coffee with two guys from work, went to a coffee shop at the gate area, friend of ours from T1 works there, went to say hello, she said from 07:30 that morning until 10am when we arrived she had served 12 people, 10 of them were staff

I was in there twice. First time I was about 2 hours early and it was the only flight in the terminal.
Second time, boarding card said T2, went through security there only to find the flight was actually T1. I'm guessing they're sending people through to somehow justify having them there.

solerina · 01-01-2014 4:32pm

Patrick Helpless Ambassador wrote: »

You got a gift of a flight up to 500 euro and you can't figure how to spend it? And you're calling your friends stupid for getting it for you?

Life really isn't fair.

Well in this situation it isn't..it was a wedding present from a large group of friends....we have been on honeymoon and my OH wont have anymore days off to be able to go again so its 500 euro that is very likely to remain unspent....I cant even get flights for my parents on it (I tried and no joy). I could figure out how to spend it...I just can't actually spend it so it remains to me 'a stupid present'.

LOSTfan57 · 01-01-2014 4:37pm

solerina wrote: »

Well in this situation it isn't..it was a wedding present from a large group of friends....we have been on honeymoon and my OH wont have anymore days off to be able to go again so its 500 euro that is very likely to remain unspent....I cant even get flights for my parents on it (I tried and no joy). I could figure out how to spend it...I just can't actually spend it so it remains to me 'a stupid present'.

Stupid present????? Well youre a lovely thankful grateful person....

Cienciano · 01-01-2014 4:41pm

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

Stupid present????? Well youre a lovely thankful grateful person....

Vouchers are a stupid present. There's an amazing voucher that can be spent in any shop, never goes out of date, and if you don't spend it all in the one go.
They're called All for One vouchers *

*(no, it's called money in case you thought I was serious)

LOSTfan57 · 01-01-2014 4:45pm

Cienciano wrote: »

Vouchers are a stupid present. There's an amazing voucher that can be spent in any shop, never goes out of date, and if you don't spend it all in the one go.
They're called All for One vouchers *

*(no, it's called money in case you thought I was serious)

......youre the type to complain if you got a white iPhone instead of a black one? Jesus.

gozunda · 01-01-2014 4:49pm

billie1b wrote: »

I didnt give any conflicting 'statements', you said on you get on the plane and arrive near the city, country or area blah blah blah closo to where you want to go and then have to pay for the follow on journey to the city, its true but its only true for a number of destinations that are actually further away. Saying it happens on all flights is a myth, name one Airport that you dont have to pay for travel into the city after arrival with any airline?

These conflicting statements:

billie1b wrote: »

.... the whole arriving in the middle of nowhere is a myth

billie1b wrote: »

....its only a handful of destinations that are out of the way but some people prefer this as it can suit them better, just personal preference, ....

Back to the original question - which is it? a myth or fact? cant have both you know. Neither fudging your statement or RA using remote airports with city names helps your argument by the way.

To be honest cannot understand why any real customer would think this acceptable

So yes an answer and not 'blah blah" as you politely put it would be nice ...

mfceiling · 01-01-2014 5:19pm

gozunda wrote: »

Of course there are other destinations but that's not the issue
Just when you do land in a place nowhere near where you want to go (that does not have public transport links) it does fairly rack up the price of "low fares" in my experience...

But Ryanair will always have a bus service available at a very cheap cost. Flew to milan bergamo with them a few years ago. They were €850 cheaper than Aer Lingus for my whole family. The bus from bergamo to milan took about 40 mins and was €5.50.

A lot of times it's better to fly to the smaller airports. Hop off plane, no time going through customs and your bags are waiting, then it's straight on to a bus/train/taxi. A bonus for me is hiring a car....no queues at the car rental desk and it's easier to navigate to your destination than trying to come from one of the bigger airports - especially when you are trying to get used to driving on the "wrong" side of the road.

Cienciano · 01-01-2014 5:34pm

LOSTfan57 wrote: »

......youre the type to complain if you got a white iPhone instead of a black one? Jesus.

No. I'm the type of person who thinks vouchers are stupid.

solerina · 01-01-2014 5:55pm

Cienciano wrote: »

No. I'm the type of person who thinks vouchers are stupid.

I totally agree...I love getting presents, or even cards but not vouchers...they actually grate on me as I know I have wasted so many over the years (and I hate waste).

billie1b · 01-01-2014 6:07pm

gozunda wrote: »

These conflicting statements:

Back to the original question - which is it? a myth or fact? cant have both you know. Neither fudging your statement or RA using remote airports with city names helps your argument by the way.

To be honest cannot understand why any real customer with the exception of RA would think this acceptable

So yes an answer and not 'blah blah" as you politely put it would be nice ...

No im not saying blah blah, thats what I read when reading your post, its a usual blah blah copy of everything your hear comment you made. If you read my reply to you properly you will see I answered your question, I will answer it again and dumb it down for you, you said when you arrive at a destination on a Ryanair flight that its in the middle of nowhere, I said its a myth, out of 150 odd destinations or so you arrive where it states, only an odd few would be different, this makes it a myth because its not all destinations, its a minority. So to answer your question, yes, they arrive in the middle of nowhere for about 5% of their destinations, its a myth that they arrive in the middle of nowhere on all their flights.
Now kindly answer all the questions you were asked after your post by numerous of people

jjbrien · 01-01-2014 6:09pm

robertxxx wrote: »

Aer lingus are good it the dreadfully designed €800million T2 they fly from that's the problem.

Our flight from Chicago pulled into the old T1 area B gates and we had to walk all the way from T1 to T2 after a very long flight from Chicago we were not impressed. I actually preferred T1's area B as you could be off your flight and in the baggage area in 5 mins.

branie · 01-01-2014 6:09pm

I like getting vouchers as presents

gozunda · 01-01-2014 6:24pm

billie1b wrote: »

No im not saying blah blah, thats what I read when reading your post, its ausual blah blah copy of everything your hear comment you made. If you read my reply to you properly you will see I answered your question, I will answer it again and dumb it down for you, you said when you arrive at a destination on a Ryanair flight that its in the middle of nowhere, I said its a myth, out of 150 odd destinations or so you arrive where it states, only an odd few would be different, this makes it a myth because its not all destinations, its a minority. So to answer your question, yes, they arrive in the middle of nowhere for about 5% of their destinations, its a myth that they arrive in the middle of nowhere on all their flights.
Now kindly answer all the questions you were asked after your post by numerous of people

I was quoting your rude reply btw "blah blah" and I noticed the tone of post hasn't changed no matter. If you wish to be insulting that is a sure fire way of not getting any point across. I note that rather than again answering the question you attempt to fudge the issue or introduce insult. I also note that you also vainly trying to bring in other issues - try and stick with was asked just once. By the way I have to ask since when are you represent of "numerous" unless of course its MOL himself :rolleyes:

RA wouldn't have so much bad PR if they didn't try this and similar. OK they get publicity but they also got a reputation that is in tatters. I have flown with them and a wide range of other airlines. RA are the worst I have experienced.

billie1b · 01-01-2014 7:13pm

gozunda wrote: »

I was quoting your rude reply btw "blah blah" and I noticed the tone of post hasn't changed no matter. If you wish to be insulting that is a sure fire way of not getting any point across. I note that rather than again answering the question you attempt to fudge the issue or introduce insult. I also note that you also vainly trying to bring in other issues - try and stick with was asked just once. By the way I have to ask since when are you represent of "numerous" unless of course its the great MOL himself :rolleyes:

RA wouldn't have so much bad PR if they didn't try stunts like this and similar. OK they get publicity but they also got a reputation that is in tatters. I have flown with them and a wide range of other airlines. RA stunts are the worst I have experienced. I pity those who have to work for them for a living.

I have no tone and apologise if you feel im insulting you but I haven't, we are going around in circles here and your obviously not understanding, I give up trying to explain it to you

Daveysil15 · 01-01-2014 7:25pm

I've travelled with Aer Lingus plenty of times and can't say I've had any problems with them. They're better than Delta anyway. I like T2 as well. Although its been so long since I've been in T1 I've forgotten what its like. Is it only certain airlines or flights to certain destinations that depart from T1? All the European destinations I've been to, the flights always depart from T2.

gumbo1 · 01-01-2014 8:19pm

Cienciano wrote: »

I'm guessing they're sending people through to somehow justify having them there.

Small regional flights are too small to put an airbridge upto them so have no choice but to go from pier B! There's enough "justification" in the staff being there for the other 17000 passengers that go through every day!!

Carpet diem · 01-01-2014 8:22pm

Auldloon wrote: »

I use them to fly back to Ireland 3 times a year and I find them ok but their website........grrrrr. I've got no choice but to use it otherwise I would never have gone back a second time.

Agree website is terrible.

gumbo1 · 01-01-2014 8:28pm

Cienciano wrote: »

I'm guessing they're sending people through to somehow justify having them there.

Small regional flights are too small to put an airbridge upto them so have no choice but to go from pier B! There's enough "justification" in the staff being there for the other 17000 passengers that go through every day!!

Cienciano · 01-01-2014 8:55pm

gumbo1 wrote: »

Small regional flights are too small to put an airbridge upto them so have no choice but to go from pier B! There's enough "justification" in the staff being there for the other 17000 passengers that go through every day!!

I was flying to Venice. The terminal was almost empty. Closer to 17 people in there instead of 17k

gumbo1 · 01-01-2014 11:28pm

Cienciano wrote: »

I was flying to Venice. The terminal was almost empty. Closer to 17 people in there instead of 17k

17000 per day, 4am-9pm, there are quiet periods during the day!

CelticRambler · 02-01-2014 12:11am

gozunda wrote: »

they also got a reputation that is in tatters ...

Tatters? Across the internet, the most vocal critics of RA seem to be those who have never flown with them, usually because of "additional charges" and them flying to "the middle of nowhere". Anyone who books with them knows that it's perfectly easy to get the headline fee by saying "no" to all the suggested optional extras.

As for the "middle of nowhere" airports ... well, I've got four "Ryanair" airports within 200km and share that catchment area with about three million people. The last time I got an Aer Lingus flight, I had to drive 150km to the station to get a train at 6am to take me another 250km to some godforsaken place in the north of France ... what was it called? Oh, yeah Charles de Gaulle. The whole trip (including getting to the airport) cost seven times the RA fare ... and the flight was late. The only reason I flew with EI on that occasion was because someone else paid for the flight.

But for 500€ in vouchers, I'd change my name by deed poll and have at least a couple of overnight trips. Use a bit of imagination, OP.

gumbo1 · 02-01-2014 12:18am

cruais · 02-01-2014 2:48am

People are moaning about walking from t2 to t1 and visa versa.

The fact is, aerlingus check in is based in terminal 2. Aerlingus do not control where they park their planes, this is completely down to the DAA and ATC.

Its not like a multi story car park where if you see a free space, you just pull in and park.

gozunda · 02-01-2014 3:32am

billie1b wrote: »

I have no tone and apologise if you feel im insulting you but I haven't, we are going around in circles here and your obviously not understanding, I give up trying to explain it to you

Yes of course you do ... Please try and understand what the post actually asked . A clear, concise answer, rather than the fudged reply above would suffice.

Nonoperational · 02-01-2014 12:09pm

gozunda wrote: »

Re Ryan air

You pay money Then add any number of ' additional charges'
You get on the plane to sit on some of the most shocking worn seats I have ever experienced on any airline
You arrive at your destination that ' may be' somewhere near a country/place/city where you wish to go to but then have to fork out more money to get to using another form of transport ...

My big issue with RA is that they have caused a race to the bottom for standards in safety and comfort that unfortunately other airlines have had to copy to stay in the market

Note to Aer Lingus - stop copying RA cattle class model and trying to beat them at this - it's a wrong move ...

I've read your biased and clueless posts so far and to be frank they are embarrassing. I will pick up one point though, to say that Ryanair are in a race to the bottom for standards in safety is both ignorant and potentially libellous. I'd think about withdrawing it. All that has been shown about Ryanair is that they fly with a perfectly safe, legally required quantity of fuel. Nothing more.

As for worn tired planes, well Ryanair have a very young fleet of planes and I've never had a problem with worn seats. Keep making nonsense baseless comments anyway, I'm sure it's great fun for you.

I really don't see what so difficult to understand. Price your trip with each airline servicing the route you need. Factor in extra costs and convenience and go with the option that best suits. Sometimes it will be Ryanair, sometimes not. It really isn't hard, although it does required some limited brainpower...

cruais · 02-01-2014 12:09pm

gozunda wrote: »

yes - tatters. Hence recent PR shake up.How do you come to the conclusion that those who have criticisms have not flown with RA - do you have some sort of insider information? At least CDG is a proper airport with integrated transport . From your obvious love of AL it is Amazing you would fly anyone but RA ;-)

I think he works for swineair!

Billy86 · 02-01-2014 12:12pm

cruais wrote: »

I think he works for swineair!

You and gozunda must work for Aer Lingus, so.

cruais · 02-01-2014 12:18pm

Billy86 wrote: »

You and gozunda must work for Aer Lingus, so.

No im not a biased person, I just like aviation.

Billy86 · 02-01-2014 12:23pm

cruais wrote: »

No im not a biased person, I just like aviation.

Fair enough, just gozunda so!

Barna77 · 02-01-2014 12:26pm

Aer Lingus before Ryanair anytime.
My only issue with them is that, unlike Ryaniar, when doing the online check in on return flight you have to do them separately. Minor thing to be honest.

Deleted User wrote: »

I see Aer Lingus are cancelling flights to Dublin this morning because of the weather. Ryanair seem to think it's fine and are landing flights in Dub.

My flight was delayed four hours on Friday due to the weather. Got a text from AL warning that because of health and safety they couldn't get any food on the plane so there was no food at all, so they had some sandwiches for passengers in the airport. Doubt RA would do that...

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

To be honest, have always received very good service from the aer lingus staff, my only issues have been on return legs with non- air lingus staff manning their desks and doing a poor job of it, with massive queues and confusion aplenty.

Agreed.

billie1b · 02-01-2014 12:32pm

Barna77 wrote: »

Aer Lingus before Ryanair anytime.
My only issue with them is that, unlike Ryaniar, when doing the online check in on return flight you have to do them separately. Minor thing to be honest.

My flight was delayed four hours on Friday due to the weather. Got a text from AL warning that because of health and safety they couldn't get any food on the plane so there was no food at all, so they had some sandwiches for passengers in the airport. Doubt RA would do that...

Agreed.

Aer Lingus didnt do it out of the good of their hearts, they have to, if your flight is delayed more than 3 hours you have to be provided with snacks at the Airport, all airlines do it, rules and regulations

keithclancy · 02-01-2014 12:34pm

Depends on what part of Ireland i'm going to.

If i'm visiting Cork, I'll usually Fly from:
Eindhoven - Dublin with Ryanair
Rent a car with pickup in Dublin and Drop off in Cork
Then Fly Aer Lingus from Cork - Amsterdam
Take the train from Amsterdam to Eindhoven (around 1hr 40 every 30 minutes)

Eindhoven Airport is only 15 minutes from my front door ...

On such a short flight I don't care what Airline it is.

The Good thing about Aer Lingus and Ryanair is that they don't completely rape you on one way flights. Try booking a one way flight with KLM/Alitalia/Air France, crazy money.

Barna77 · 02-01-2014 12:50pm

billie1b wrote: »

Aer Lingus didnt do it out of the good of their hearts, they have to, if your flight is delayed more than 3 hours you have to be provided with snacks at the Airport, all airlines do it, rules and regulations

Didn't know. First time in that situation.

My faith in AL is all shattered now

humanji · 02-01-2014 1:02pm

Folks, it should go without saying that making allegations about the safety of an airline is not acceptable. That is, until Boards.ie Airlines starts up and you'll be obligated to badmouth every other airline. But until then, just don't do it.

gozunda · 02-01-2014 7:03pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

I've read your biased and clueless posts so far and to be frank they are embarrassing. As for worn tired planes, well Ryanair have a very young fleet of planes and I've never had a problem with worn seats. Keep making nonsense baseless comments anyway, I'm sure it's great fun for you. I really don't see what so difficult to understand. Price your trip with each airline servicing the route you need. Factor in extra costs and convenience and go with the option that best suits. Sometimes it will be Ryanair, sometimes not. It really isn't hard, although it does required some limited brainpower...

Who licked the cream off your bun then? How is it embarrassing or biased to you MOL or whoever to relate for example my personal experience of worn seats that were practically banjaxed? This is a direct personal observation. I reserve the right reject your view on reality and replace with my own direct experience. And why would it be "fun" to relate such details. Maybe you would elaborate on this point. The safety and comfort of my rear end is very important in my opinion - I don't like piles ;-(

I am aware of what has been said about RA. Thank you for your observations but I can only presume you have a direct interest. Regarding libel, ignorance etc - maybe you should wind back on the insults included in your post for starters.

I wonder will AL take offence as being listed the "worst airline" in the Title of this Thread in the same vein?

Billy86 · 02-01-2014 7:22pm

Call me crazy, but I think I see a bit of an agenda here... :pac:

Nonoperational · 02-01-2014 7:34pm

gozunda wrote: »

Who licked the cream off your bun then? How is it embarrassing or biased to you MOL or whoever to relate for example my personal experience of worn seats that were practically banjaxed? This is a direct personal observation. I reserve the right reject your view on reality and replace with my own direct experience. And why would it be "fun" to relate such details. Maybe you would elaborate on this point.

I am quite aware of what has been said about RA. Thank you for your observations but I can only presume you have a direct interest. Regarding libel, ignorance etc - maybe you should wind back on the insults included in your post for starters.

I wonder will AL take offence as being listed the "worst airline" in the Title of this Thread in the same vein?

Ah, the last refuge of the person that's talking rubbish, wrongly insinuating that I am in fact a company employee. I work in healthcare and I'm a student. Couldn't really be further from the aviation industry unfortunately.

As for my "insults", I will 100% stand over my assertion that your allegation that Ryanair are in a "race to the bottom" with respect to safety standards demonstrates a real misunderstanding of the situation, and I am certain you cannot back it up.

To be honest, I don't particularly like Ryanair at all. I'd fly EI or a full service airline before them every day if I could. They do however provide a service which I use if it suits me to do so. I find it extremely tiresome to read people posting posts online that are made up of a high percentage of nonsense.

Battleflag · 02-01-2014 7:48pm

I fly on the regional flights from Shannon to Edinburgh a few times a year and have found the staff to be extremely pleasant. The guy at the desk even put my bag through when they had closed for that flight (think it's down to Shannon being so quiet though).

Billy86 · 02-01-2014 7:49pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

Ah, the last refuge of the person that's talking rubbish, wrongly insinuating that I am in fact a company employee.

Don't worry, he's said that about several people in this thread who've questioned his rant.

...which sounds like EXACTLY what an Aer Lingus staff member would do!! :pac:

gozunda · 02-01-2014 7:50pm

Nonoperational wrote: »

Ah, the last refuge of the person that's talking rubbish, wrongly insinuating that I am in fact a company employee. I work in healthcare and I'm a student. Couldn't really be further from the aviation industry unfortunately.

As for my "insults", I will 100% stand over my assertion that your allegation that Ryanair are in a "race to the bottom" with respect to safety standards demonstrates a real misunderstanding of the situation, and I am certain you cannot back it up.

To be honest, I don't particularly like Ryanair at all. I'd fly EI or a full service airline before them every day if I could. They do however provide a service which I use if it suits me to do so. I find it extremely tiresome to read people posting posts online that are made up of a high percentage of nonsense.

Ok get your facts correct. I said 'interest' - I couldn't care where you work or what you do or who with - that interest may be because of bias or otherwise - I don't particularly care - but it is a tad obvious.
Also you misquote - I talked about safety and comfort - particularly of my rear end -that's important to me. ok? I have also read widely on other views including yours. I see the "rubbish" "nonsense" insults but thanks I will ignore that. And btw I do note that Ryanair have a 100% safety record.

gozunda · 02-01-2014 7:53pm

humanji · 02-01-2014 8:05pm

Jaysus lads, they're airlines you don't own, so cut out the petty swipes at each other.

Aer Lingus is worst airline

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