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channelsurfer2 · 17-03-2014 11:13am

a poster on digitalspy mentions that BT are trialing a price of £9 pm for champions league plus(if they get it and its no means certain as sky will fight hard to keep them) la liga rights. Thats on top of getting BT sport free if you are a BT broadband subscriber. Not good for Irish subscribers if this is the case as it would mean at hefty increase to Setanta's pack price or even BT going alone in Ireland in 2015 when the rights kick in.

icdg · 17-03-2014 1:30pm

All depends whether BT get the Irish rights to the Champions League when they come up, I suspect they will bid for them in any case. A Champions League extra service might not be of such great value in the Irish market if games are still on RTÉ, TV3, and Setanta. Every game from the Round of 16 onwards is currently live on Irish TV and available to basic cable customers. For BT (or Setanta) to make a premium service work that will need to change, they're not going to survive on lower value games from the group stages alone.

The Setanta deal has been extraordinarily beneficial for Setanta and (unless Setanta were making serious margins on their previous subscription price) been of little benefit to BT. The "they have no interest in Ireland because they don't sell broadband here anymore" argument doesn't stack up - BT have now bought up the Irish rights to a significant amount of sports and I'd imagine that somewhere down the road the bosses there will question whether their deal with Setanta is the best way of making money from those rights.

lertsnim · 17-03-2014 11:21pm

Will this Champions League Plus actually be on tv or will it be an online only thing? BT already show some events exclusively on their online service meaning that subscribers in Ireland are goosed

channelsurfer2 · 17-03-2014 11:59pm

lertsnim wrote: »

Will this Champions League Plus actually be on tv or will it be an online only thing? BT already show some events exclusively on their online service meaning that subscribers in Ireland are goosed

it will be in addition to what you pay now in the uk. in ireland it will all depend on a number of things including (a) whethter BT get Irish rights, which I highly expect them to after paying 897million pounds there is now way they have not done a deal to allow these rights be shown in Ireland (b) whether they stay with Setanta. Either way it will be a lot more expensive and probably around 30euro a month instead of the 19.99 now with Setanta.

radiowaves · 18-03-2014 10:48am

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

a poster on digitalspy mentions that BT are trialing a price of £9 pm for champions league plus(if they get it and its no means certain as sky will fight hard to keep them) la liga rights. Thats on top of getting BT sport free if you are a BT broadband subscriber. Not good for Irish subscribers if this is the case as it would mean at hefty increase to Setanta's pack price or even BT going alone in Ireland in 2015 when the rights kick in.

It is worth noting that BT have indicated from the time they secured CL rights that they intended a separate / extra charge.

It is also worth noting that the quoted price of £9pm has been pulled from a questionnaire and is little indication of any price that might eventually be charged.

They have also indicated that they hope to use CL rights to drive subscribers to their own platforms (none of which utilise satellite) so it really is a case of wait and see, especially in Ireland.

icdg · 18-03-2014 11:43am

lertsnim wrote: »

Will this Champions League Plus actually be on tv or will it be an online only thing? BT already show some events exclusively on their online service meaning that subscribers in Ireland are goosed

I would eat my hat if there is not at least one, if not two games each night during the group stages (and all games from the Round of 16 onwards) on a conventional broadcast service. Streaming is all well and good for the domestic customer, but the commercial customers hate it, most pubs and venues aren't set up to do it.

The structure of the Champions League season also makes it very difficult to keep viewers for twelve months, particularly when there's a nearly two month midseason break.

lertsnim · 18-03-2014 2:42pm

I've no doubt that they will show a game across BT Sport 1, 2 and ESPN but Sky have had all games available on tv (Sky only, not on UPC I know) and if these were to be made online only then that is a backwards step. What we need here is a sports network like what BeIn Sports offers in the middle east. As many HD television channels that's needed and none of this red button nonsense.

ftakeith · 18-03-2014 3:46pm

setanta ireland told me last year that bt sport will have a red button service as uefa owns the feed

channelsurfer2 · 18-03-2014 3:56pm

ftakeith wrote: »

setanta ireland told me last year that bt sport will have a red button service as uefa owns the feed

setanta cant even manage hd on sky never mind the extra feeds they will need to pay Sky for the use of the red button?

lertsnim · 18-03-2014 5:09pm

If the red button story from Setanta is correct then I imagine it will be red button via BT Sport channels. Setanta themselves might not even have Champions League rights themselves.

icdg · 10-04-2014 7:14pm

BT and Sky confirm that they've finally agreed a deal to share European rugby coverage from next season:

http://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-breaking-news/15724/european-rugby-broadcast-statement/

kooga · 11-04-2014 9:52am

i noticed last night that one of the europa games on bt sport 1 ran over the allotted time and geo blocking stopped, it lasted for about 15mins, great to see a europa league match in HD. Anyway they twigged it and it went geo blocked !

I wonder what the implications will be for the BT rights on the champions league, are their rights for UK only?

channelsurfer2 · 11-04-2014 10:22am

the irish rights have still to be decided but some sources suggest that the BT rights include ireland so wont be geoblocked.

icdg · 18-04-2014 8:57am

BT/Setanta lose the rights to French rugby to Sky:

http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/9270596/sky-sports-have-signed-the-rights-to-the-top-14-frances-premier-rugby-competition

kooga · 18-04-2014 9:38am

its just one big merry go round between the broadcasters.........you gain with one hand European rugby champions cup on bt you lose top 14! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

ftakeith · 18-04-2014 11:08am

icdg wrote: »

BT/Setanta lose the rights to French rugby to Sky:

http://www1.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12321/9270596/sky-sports-have-signed-the-rights-to-the-top-14-frances-premier-rugby-competition

good move by sky sports

pro 12 and top 14 every weekend on sky would appeal to irish rugby fans than eng premier rugby

icdg · 26-04-2014 12:34pm

Worth flagging that today's Premier League 3pm is on Setanta Ireland rather than Setanta Sports 1 due to Premier Sports showing live ice hockey.

Cantona's Collars · 27-04-2014 12:47am

Sky losing market share as BT grows: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/apr/27/bskyb-chosen-one-bt-sport

icdg · 01-05-2014 9:11am

A bit of exposure for the League of Ireland on BT Sport with Shamrock Rovers friendly v Liverpool at the Aviva being shown live 14th May at 5:30pm.

channelsurfer2 · 01-05-2014 9:13am

zerks wrote: »

Sky losing market share as BT grows: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/apr/27/bskyb-chosen-one-bt-sport

seems the analysts were wrong... Sky gain market share etc being reported this morning but I would say most of that is not actually full subscriptions but the NowTV box which they dont break down seperately. BT to give BT sport free to Broadband subscribers for another year also in the UK.

icdg · 01-05-2014 10:35am

The implication there though is that the offer won't last forever and I'd expect the pricing structure to change once the European football deal kicks in next year, whether it be by charging for a seperate "Champions League Extra" service or charging for the main channels.

channelsurfer2 · 01-05-2014 10:43am

icdg wrote: »

The implication there though is that the offer won't last forever and I'd expect the pricing structure to change once the European football deal kicks in next year, whether it be by charging for a seperate "Champions League Extra" service or charging for the main channels.

Yes we should know by December/January whether BT have got any extra premier league packs for 2016 onwards and this will have a major implication for them if they have to pay significantly more.

lertsnim · 01-05-2014 11:50am

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

Yes we should know by December/January whether BT have got any extra premier league packs for 2016 onwards and this will have a major implication for them if they have to pay significantly more.

Let's hope they do. It is a much better deal considering no other Sky package is needed for it. Sky Sports however needs the entertainment package. Rip off

kooga · 01-05-2014 12:28pm

as above even if next year they hold the line at 19.99 a month still good value v the sky sports packages.

Delta2113 · 01-05-2014 4:19pm

icdg wrote: »

Worth flagging that today's Premier League 3pm is on Setanta Ireland rather than Setanta Sports 1 due to Premier Sports showing live ice hockey.

- Setanta had previously stated specifically that NO Premier League games would be shown on Setanta Ireland.

I was thinking of getting the Setanta Package because of this guarantee - glad now that I just stuck with Sky Sports. Don't make promises you wont keep Setanta.

radiowaves · 01-05-2014 4:36pm

lertsnim wrote: »

Let's hope they do. It is a much better deal considering no other Sky package is needed for it. Sky Sports however needs the entertainment package. Rip off

This confuses me.

If I ring Sky looking for Sky Sports are you suggesting they won't take my custom because I have no other packages?

kooga · 01-05-2014 4:48pm

radiowaves wrote: »

This confuses me.

If I ring Sky looking for Sky Sports are you suggesting they won't take my custom because I have no other packages?

yep

icdg · 01-05-2014 5:03pm

Delta2113 wrote: »

- Setanta had previously stated specifically that NO Premier League games would be shown on Setanta Ireland

During the Rugby League World Cup they went to very long lengths to stop cable viewers being able to see Premier League games - they ran one set of schedules on satellite (football on Setanta Ireland and rugby league on Premier Sports) and another on cable (rugby league on Setanta Ireland and football on Setanta Sports 1). They probably figured it wasn't worth the effort at this stage of the season.

lertsnim · 01-05-2014 5:37pm

Delta2113 wrote: »

- Setanta had previously stated specifically that NO Premier League games would be shown on Setanta Ireland.

I was thinking of getting the Setanta Package because of this guarantee - glad now that I just stuck with Sky Sports. Don't make promises you wont keep Setanta.

But if you get Setanta Sports 1 you get Setanta Ireland too

radiowaves · 01-05-2014 5:46pm

lertsnim wrote: »

But if you get Setanta Sports 1 you get Setanta Ireland too

On cable you get Setanta Ireland at no extra cost - this is not the case for Sports 1.

So when Setanta said no PL coverage on Ireland it was designed to drive subs.

icdg · 01-05-2014 6:57pm

Its not something they're majority worried about at this time of year. Formula One, golf, and rugby league are Setanta's only major live rights over the summer while BT have only really MotoGP, baseball, and football friendlies to keep them going. It was more trouble than it was worth to do another schedule swap on cable (makes also very hard to promote in advance as you can't mention the channel name on-air - during the RLWC they had to advertise Premier League games as being on "Setanta Sports" and let satellite viewers figure out for themselves that the games were actually on Setanta Ireland for the duration.

radiowaves · 01-05-2014 7:01pm

icdg wrote: »

Its not something they're majority worried about at this time of year. Formula One, golf, and rugby league are Setanta's only major live rights over the summer while BT have only really MotoGP, baseball, and football friendlies to keep them going. It was more trouble than it was worth to do another schedule swap on cable (makes also very hard to promote in advance as you can't mention the channel name on-air - during the RLWC they had to advertise Premier League games as being on "Setanta Sports" and let satellite viewers figure out for themselves that the games were actually on Setanta Ireland for the duration.

And it was hardly a high-profile fixture anyway

Delta2113 · 01-05-2014 8:35pm

radiowaves wrote: »

On cable you get Setanta Ireland at no extra cost - this is not the case for Sports 1.

So when Setanta said no PL coverage on Ireland it was designed to drive subs.

Setanta should be reported but of course this is Ireland so you would be wasting your time.

Make false promises and sell,sell,sell.

icdg · 01-05-2014 9:26pm

I can't believe people are getting worked up about deciding to make one match (and one that affected one teams chance of a Europa League place and was a dead rubber to the other) available to non-premium subscribers on one platform, on a one off basis, because they were contractually obliged to cover ice hockey on Setanta 1.

Do the same people complain when Sky give one of their very very rare free-to-view weekends?

lertsnim · 02-05-2014 12:26am

radiowaves wrote: »

On cable you get Setanta Ireland at no extra cost - this is not the case for Sports 1.

So when Setanta said no PL coverage on Ireland it was designed to drive subs.

How many games were made available on Setanta Ireland? One? Lots of excitement over nothing imo.

radiowaves · 02-05-2014 8:23am

lertsnim wrote: »

How many games were made available on Setanta Ireland? One? Lots of excitement over nothing imo.

It's not me that's getting "excited" so not sure why you quoted me

As it happens I was watching the other 3pms all in HD (and all with more riding on them) on 3 different screens.

radiowaves wrote: »

And it was hardly a high-profile fixture anyway

kooga · 02-05-2014 9:02am

radiowaves wrote: »

It's not me that's getting "excited" so not sure why you quoted me

As it happens I was watching the other 3pms all in HD (and all with more riding on them) on 3 different screens.

what were you watching.........? isn't 3pm a bit early for that to be on tv

radiowaves · 02-05-2014 9:13am

kooga wrote: »

what were you watching.........? isn't 3pm a bit early for that to be on tv

Took me a few seconds to get it and then ...

yknaa · 07-08-2014 4:00pm

Portuguese footie rights on BT:

http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/football/bt-sport-secures-portuguese-primeira-liga-rights-S11363923049383#.U-OMDBgCQb4.email

irishfeen · 07-08-2014 4:50pm

yknaa wrote: »

Portuguese footie rights on BT:

http://sport.bt.com/sportfootball/football/bt-sport-secures-portuguese-primeira-liga-rights-S11363923049383#.U-OMDBgCQb4.email

Ha they will hardly sell many more subscriptions adding Portuguese Football to their books

radiowaves · 07-08-2014 5:00pm

irishfeen wrote: »

Ha they will hardly sell many more subscriptions adding Portuguese Football to their books

That shows a basic misunderstanding of the way subscription TV works

They're selling an overall package and the addition of a European league for (probably) next to nothing can only enhance the attractiveness of that overall package.

It'll hardly harm it

Plus it will also counteract Sky's "Home of European Football" propaganda for Sky Sports 5.

irishfeen · 07-08-2014 5:13pm

radiowaves wrote: »

That shows a basic misunderstanding of the way subscription TV works

They're selling an overall package and the addition of a European league for (probably) next to nothing can only enhance the attractiveness of that overall package.

It'll hardly harm it

Plus it will also counteract Sky's "Home of European Football" propaganda for Sky Sports 5.

Ha granted it might help improve its overall package but the amount of people who would just sign up for/because of Portuguese football would be almost nil - you could probably count them on one hand.

radiowaves · 07-08-2014 5:18pm

irishfeen wrote: »

Ha granted it might help improve its overall package but the amount of people who would just sign up for/because of Portuguese football would be almost nil - you could probably count them on one hand.

As I said, that shows a very basic misunderstanding of the way subscription TV works

You got it in the first half of your sentence then then contradicted it with the second half

ftakeith · 07-08-2014 5:20pm

I will watch some of 'big 3 games' from portugal

I get setanta for european games than EPL

yknaa · 08-08-2014 1:46pm

ftakeith wrote: »

I will watch some of 'big 3 games' from portugal

I get setanta for european games than EPL

Me too - enjoy English football a lot but same can be said for German, LoI, Italian, French and now big ties from Portugal. Very happy to see it added.

Joo0 · 09-08-2014 3:17pm

Any updates out regarding BT holding the rights to champions league in Ireland from 2015/16?

energy1942 · 09-08-2014 3:19pm

Joo0 wrote: »

Any updates out regarding BT holding the rights to champions league in Ireland from 2015/16?

Same as in the UK.

Joo0 · 09-08-2014 3:21pm

energy1942 wrote: »

Same as in the UK.

So Champions league won't be on Rte after this season?

energy1942 · 09-08-2014 3:23pm

Joo0 wrote: »

So Champions league won't be on Rte after this season?

I do not why not.

energy1942 · 09-08-2014 3:24pm

Joo0 wrote: »

So Champions league won't be on Rte after this season?

I do not see why it would not be.

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