Brittish Soldier killed 7 hours after he gets back from Afghan

Fratton Fred · 18-05-2010 10:07pm

digme wrote: »

You don't understand how the un works do you?

And of course, you do I suppose.

I'm still trying to work out if you are a troll, or if you actually believe the crap you are posting.

Manic Moran · 18-05-2010 10:11pm

You join the military to defend your country,that's the whole point of having one.If your 22 and you joined the army in this day and age your a complete twat and more than likely a BIT slow in the head,,as you know what they are doing is wrong and your not going to be doing anything for your country in terms of defending it.

Actually, you join the military to carry out national policy. Exactly when that is is left up to the elected representatives. It can be the Russians paratrooping in the skies over Denver, or Serbs trying to do some ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, or conducting rescue ops in Haiti, or even invading Afghanistan.

Your conclusion that one should 'know' what one is doing is wrong is, I would say, questionable. I've been doing this for almost ten years now, and have no regrets.

NTM

Winty · 18-05-2010 10:14pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

It's somewhat amusing being a fly on the wall on these threads. I'm always curious to know if some of the things posted here would be said to my face at a Boards Beers.

Thanks Manic Moran

I am sorry that some people forget that a Man died today and his friends and family are hurting. Boards is good fun but people should be careful what they put into the public domain.

ejmaztec · 18-05-2010 10:18pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

And of course, you do I suppose.

I'm still trying to work out if you are a troll, or if you actually believe the crap you are posting.

We've finally discovered the identity of that mysterious guy down the pub, the fount of human knowledge.:eek:

Fighting Irish · 18-05-2010 10:23pm

padi89 wrote: »

It doesn't have to be a powerful punch to knock someone down. In fact it doesn't have to be powerful to knock someone out, Most likely it was a cheap shot from one of the attackers.
Anyhoo, it says he received the serious injuries when he hit the ground, just unlucky in a bad way.

The soldier could have called the "attacker" a prick and it might not have been a cheap shot at all. We'll all assume

Manic Moran · 18-05-2010 10:23pm

Pyr0 wrote: »

Is it an actual fighting force or just advisors ?

Neither, really. They're working as desk jockeys. Being productive and contributing, but more there for the dual purposes of showing the flag and learning the realities of modern conflict operations. The Irish military doesn't get many opportunities to learn in such areas.

Winty wrote: »

Thanks Manic Moran

I am sorry that some people forget that a Man died today and his friends and family are hurting. Boards is good fun but people should be careful what they put into the public domain.

Actually, I meant more because I'm apparently one of the dumb evil oppressors, or whatever ISAF soldiers are being categorised as.

NTM

Liam Byrne · 18-05-2010 10:33pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

Actually, I meant more because I'm apparently one of the dumb evil oppressors, or whatever ISAF soldiers are being categorised as.

What is "ISAF" ?

Local-womanizer · 18-05-2010 10:34pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What is "ISAF" ?

International Security Assistance Force.

Biggins · 18-05-2010 10:37pm

Fighting Irish wrote: »

The soldier could have called the "attacker" a prick and it might not have been a cheap shot at all. We'll all assume

The attacker could also have been acting like a normal drunk lout and calling out the soldier "come on... come on... soldier boy..." (wouldn't be first time) - we just don't know either - what we do know is the soldier didn't lay a finger on the attacker and the attacker struck him, bringing about his death.

Hopefully there was a witness or two and all will emerge at the attackers trial.

Liam Byrne · 18-05-2010 10:38pm

Local-womanizer wrote: »

International Security Assistance Force.

Thanks for that. Never heard of it.

partyatmygaff · 18-05-2010 10:39pm

digme wrote: »

THEY SHOULDN'T BE OVER THERE.Or do you believe they are there to capture the nooooklar bombs that osama has in his cave hideout....

You don't even understand why Afghanistan was invaded do you?

You've a lot of nerve, acting like the moral authority when you don't have a clue about what you're moralising.

I'd be amazed to see how Afghanistan would be today if the Taliban were allowed their way.

Liam Byrne · 18-05-2010 10:42pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

There are 42 nations involved with the operations, including Ireland.

Hold on a second! I thought we were supposed to be neutral ?

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If you have a problem with the war, lobby your TD, or better still, do us all a favour and join the Taliban, if you have the balls (which I somehow seriously doubt).

That's a disgusting and pretty pathetic comment, tbh. Being anti-war does not mean that you support the opposing "side" (assuming, that is, that the default assumption is that the entire western society should back any side at all).

Biggins · 18-05-2010 10:42pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

...I'd be amazed to see how Afghanistan would be today if the Taliban were allowed their way.

The worse of the dark ages comes to mind...

Local-womanizer · 18-05-2010 10:47pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Hold on a second! I thought we were supposed to be neutral ?

We are non-aligned,not neutral.

MrsToad · 18-05-2010 10:47pm

digme wrote: »

He could of been the soundest fella around,IRregardless of nationality,If your stupid enough to go there and work for a corporation, then your an idiot plain and simple

You're an idiot plain and simple.

Is what I think you mean.

And don't get me started on "IRregardless".

Liam Byrne · 18-05-2010 10:53pm

Local-womanizer wrote: »

We are non-aligned,not neutral.

I have never, ever heard the phrase "non-aligned" used.

I have, however, heard the phrase "neutrality" used a lot.

Mind you, our "neutrality" was sold down the swannee as soon as FF allowed the Americans to (ab)use Shannon Airport in their manufactured war.

RMD · 18-05-2010 10:54pm

digme wrote: »

You join the military to defend your country,that's the whole point of having one.If your 22 and you joined the army in this day and age your a complete twat and more than likely a BIT slow in the head,,as you know what they are doing is wrong and your not going to be doing anything for your country in terms of defending it.

Liberating is not what they are there for.They are building a huge trans asian pipeline,and they are looting the country of many of their natural resources,they also have 100's of bases to keep china in checlk alogn with russia.Don't be so dam naive.

After reading the last paragraph there, I've decided there's no point in arguing with you, you're so far away in the clouds with your conspiracy theory buddies I doubt you'll be seeing much sense.

Latchy · 18-05-2010 10:54pm

The idea that a young soldier comes back from a war zone only to be brutally killed a few hrs later by some scumbag in his own neck of the woods beggers belief .

davrho · 18-05-2010 10:56pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I'd be amazed to see how Afghanistan would be today if the Taliban were allowed their way.

Does anyone on the board have experience of living there as a citizen now? I can't imagine it's a great quality of life. Don't think any of us are qualified to say.

Do I feel sorry that a family has lost their father/son/brother? Yes.

Do i like the way in the last few years that soldiers have been elevated to hero status by the media? No. There has to be more to this?

Only started reading the after hours section on boards.ie but there are some twists in most the debates. Good stuff all the same

pablomakaveli · 18-05-2010 10:57pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Hold on a second! I thought we were supposed to be neutral ?

AFAIK Irish troops are allowed take part in operations with a UN mandate.

Anyway i think its shameful to see people on here gloating over the tragic death of a young man purely based on his career. Typical keyboard warriors.

Liam Byrne · 18-05-2010 11:02pm

Local-womanizer wrote: »

We are non-aligned,not neutral.

Just to follow up on this

Bertie Ahern's government has repeatedly denied that the Americans' increased use of the airport has put security or neutrality at risk.

Source : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2689859.stm

RMD · 18-05-2010 11:04pm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

AFAIK Irish troops are allowed take part in operations with a UN mandate.

Anyway i think its shameful to see people on here gloating over the tragic death of a young man purely based on his career. Typical keyboard warriors.

AFAIK were not actively taking part in combat. We've 7 soldiers there training Afghani forces. I could be completely wrong on that though. UN missions don't affect our neutrality either I think as it's not Ireland invading, it's a UN force formed from a combination of different countries.

Local-womanizer · 18-05-2010 11:05pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I have never, ever heard the phrase "non-aligned" used.

I have, however, heard the phrase "neutrality" used a lot.

Mind you, our "neutrality" was sold down the swannee as soon as FF allowed the Americans to (ab)use Shannon Airport in their manufactured war.

But Ireland isent neutral. Non-aligned is is saying,in theory we could side with the Chinese tomorrow if we wanted. Or we could side with the US.

Ireland's Involvement with ISAF is a UN mandated mission,it just so happens that Nato is involved too.

http://www.military.ie/overseas/ops/asia/isaf/index.htm

partyatmygaff · 18-05-2010 11:06pm

davrho wrote: »

Does anyone on the board have experience of living there as a citizen now? I can't imagine it's a great quality of life. Don't think any of us are qualified to say.

Do I feel sorry that a family has lost their father/son/brother? Yes.

Do i like the way in the last few years that soldiers have been elevated to hero status by the media? No. There has to be more to this?

Only started reading the after hours section on boards.ie but there are some twists in most the debates. Good stuff all the same

We only have what we here from others. That and photos as proof of what went on under the Taliban regime.

Take a look at "Photos that shook the world" in the Cool Vids and Pics forum and in there you'll find a few photos of what the Taliban did at the height of their power in Afghanistan. Anything would be better than that.

Magill · 18-05-2010 11:06pm

I wouldn't comment on something like this unless i knew all the facts, something similar happened with some1 i know. He and his mates were jumped by a bunch of Polish thugs outside a nightclub and he hit one of them, guy fell and hit his head and was in a coma for 2 days, thankfully the guy is alrite. He had to go through a year of constant court hearings etc Being called a thug in the paper, only for him to be let go without charge.. self defense, multiple witnesses and video evidence etc.

Anyway, the papers love to paint the "Thug/hero" picture too much for my liking.

Btw, not saying that the guy that did it is not a thug, but you cant tell from whats been reported.

Manic Moran · 18-05-2010 11:12pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I have never, ever heard the phrase "non-aligned" used.

I have, however, heard the phrase "neutrality" used a lot.

Doesn't mean it's accurate.

http://www.cer.org.uk/articles/keohane_ind_feb03.html

Non-alignment means the Irish government can support the use of force if necessary; but it also means that Ireland maintains its independence to make such a decision and is not bound to act due to a mutual defence agreement, such as in Nato

Mind you, our "neutrality" was sold down the swannee as soon as FF allowed the Americans to (ab)use Shannon Airport in their manufactured war.

The rules never changed. Shannon has been open to all comers subject to certain rules for decades. It still is.

I can't imagine it's a great quality of life. Don't think any of us are qualified to say.

I wouldn't say it is either, but from seeing the developments that are less than ten years old there, it's a heck of an improvement over what it was. Which is saying something. The place is a 16th century society, with mobile 'phones.

NTM

Liam Byrne · 18-05-2010 11:15pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

The rules never changed. Shannon has been open to all comers subject to certain rules for decades. It still is.

So Iraq or Afghanistan could ask to use it in order to retaliate against the invasion, and get the same response ?

Something tells me that isn't true. It should be, but I have my doubts.

Local-womanizer · 18-05-2010 11:19pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

So Iraq or Afghanistan could ask to use it in order to retaliate against the invasion, and get the same response ?

Something tells me that isn't true. It should be, but I have my doubts.

Well yes,if the Goverment wanted it that way then so be it. It never would though.

davrho · 18-05-2010 11:19pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

We only have what we here from others. That and photos as proof of what went on under the Taliban regime.

Take a look at "Photos that shook the world" in the Cool Vids and Pics forum and in there you'll find a few photos of what the Taliban did at the height of their power in Afghanistan. Anything would be better than that.

But the "others" we hear from are normally from propaganda outlets and it's hard to get any info called down the middle. We hear and see horror stories of troop actions but these come the opposition propaganda machines. Plenty of pics of bombed up civilians and the like which you won't see on sky news etc. Who is to believe? As I said i don't think most of us are qualified to say. Anyhow i think it's a bit off topic.

Again I will say i feel sorrow for the family involved.

southsiderosie · 18-05-2010 11:20pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

We would occasionally crack jokes about how Afghanistan is statistically safer for Americans than the US is. (It is, believe it or not.). All 750 of us in our unit came back alive last month (though a couple of feet were missing, and a few other breaks and perforations). On his second day back on his civilian job (Sheriff's Deputy) one of our troopers was shot and killed by some guy who was just generally pissed off with the world. If he were killed by insurgents, so be it, but the irony is not lost on us.

http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=12385835

My buddy in Afghanistan was feeling down after treating several people wounded from an IED attack. That same weekend, 32 people were shot, 2 people were stabbed and 6 people were killed in Chicago. The sad truth is, he's probably safer over there than in his own neighborhood...

Manic Moran · 18-05-2010 11:21pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

So Iraq or Afghanistan could ask to use it in order to retaliate against the invasion, and get the same response ?

Something tells me that isn't true. It should be, but I have my doubts.

If memory serves, military aircraft of some 30 nations went through Ireland in 2008. I believe the offical rules are in one of the Air Transport (Navigation) acts, around 1955 or so. The rules are followed, or they're not.

NTM

Liam Byrne · 18-05-2010 11:23pm

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Well yes,if the Goverment wanted it that way then so be it. It never would though.

What this Government wants has no influence on me; they don't represent me, and have made numerous choices which are against Ireland's best interests.

Anyway, we're drifting off-topic.

I just wanted to clarify what was said earlier in the context of the discussion; we can discuss it elsewhere if needs be.

Bottom line is that someone is dead; and - much as it pains me to say it - that would also apply if it happened on the battlefield as someone sent to their deaths in the greedy war for oil, while those responsible for the lies and the war sat on their padded leather chairs in their air-conditioned offices.

Local-womanizer · 18-05-2010 11:36pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

What this Government wants has no influence on me; they don't represent me, and have made numerous choices which are against Ireland's best interests.

That doesent matter though,they still do it........

Fratton Fred · 18-05-2010 11:38pm

Liam Byrne wrote: »

That's a disgusting and pretty pathetic comment, tbh. Being anti-war does not mean that you support the opposing "side" (assuming, that is, that the default assumption is that the entire western society should back any side at all).

What, you honestly think the poster is anti war? Personally i find someone revelling in someone else's death pretty disgusting, if he joins the Taliban then we can see if Karma really works can't we.

Wagon · 18-05-2010 11:48pm

So let me get this straight.

Soldier was serving his country in Afganastan, helping in a fight against a large group of well armed backwards thinking lunatics who make it their business to wreak terror everywhere, even their own soil killing women and children, suidice bombing, kidnapping, mudering etc... He was sent to work in one of the most dangerous places in the world which many of us wouldn't even consider thinking about going. He returns home to his wife and young child only to be killed by some little bastard up for a fight outside a club.

and now 9 pages in, people are discussing the fact that he was a soldier and if he actually deserved to die. Some even called it Karma.

Is this for fúcking real? This is a piss take isn't it? I mean I've read some stupid retarded ****e on boards before but this is a new low. This bloke probably wasn't a scumbag because that's what they do their best to NOT make you in the army! How the hell can some people have their heads stuck so far up their arses to think that all the army do is roam around sticking guns in the faces of civilians in whatever country they are in? They are trying to protect the people that live there because they have as much chance as anyone to be killed by these headcases! Suicide bombers in middle east kill their own countrymen! The British army is working with the Afghan army to try and stop all this!

Who deserves to die:
1. A terrorist with a gun who will kill anyone for the so called "just cause" that they believe in including their own people like innocent civilians and children.

or

2. A signalman who is assisting the fight on these terrorists.

If you think that both have just as much right to life and that Karma got this poor bloke back, you're a ****ing moron. Simple as that.

Didn't anyone even notice that the chap who killed him is already out on bloody bail?!

Liam Byrne · 18-05-2010 11:56pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What, you honestly think the poster is anti war? Personally i find someone revelling in someone else's death pretty disgusting, if he joins the Taliban then we can see if Karma really works can't we.

I don't know if the poster is anti-war, but the post that you replied to was basically objected to the lies and reasons behind the war.

partyatmygaff · 18-05-2010 11:58pm

Wagon wrote: »

and now 9 pages in, people are discussing the fact that he was a soldier and if he actually deserved to die. Some even called it Karma.

Is this for fúcking real? This is a piss take isn't it? I mean I've read some stupid retarded ****e on boards before but this is a new low. This bloke probably wasn't a scumbag because that's what they do their best to NOT make you in the army! How the hell can some people have their heads stuck so far up their arses to think that all the army do is roam around sticking guns in the faces of civilians in whatever country they are in? They are trying to protect the people that live there because they have as much chance as anyone to be killed by these headcases! Suicide bombers in middle east kill their own countrymen! The British army is working with the Afghan army to try and stop all this!

Some people just don't understand. That guy with the conspiracy theories digme for example hardly understands why the war in Afghanistan is still going on. In fact i'm fairly sure he's confusing Iraq for Afghanistan in some of his posts. They think that being anti war is always a good thing, the fact is that most of the time pacifism is wonderful but somehow I don't think the Taliban were going to be brought out of power by peaceful protests.

recylingbin · 18-05-2010 11:59pm

Deleted User wrote: »

rubbish the Taliban are certainly not unarmed farmers
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6768801.stm

They ambush schoolgirls because they dont think women should get an education jeez Irish soldiers are in Afghanistan too and it has a UN mandate
http://unama.unmissions.org/default.aspx?/

I never mentioned the Taliban.

19-05-2010 10:55am

recylingbin wrote: »

I never mentioned the Taliban.

Thats right your clearly mixing up unarmed farmers and the Taliban

Darksaga87 · 19-05-2010 11:14am

Some pretty retarded comments on this thread.

RIP Soldier.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 19-05-2010 11:23am

Wagon wrote: »

So let me get this straight.

Soldier was serving his country in Afganastan, helping in a fight against a large group of well armed backwards thinking lunatics who make it their business to wreak terror everywhere, even their own soil killing women and children, suidice bombing, kidnapping, mudering etc... He was sent to work in one of the most dangerous places in the world which many of us wouldn't even consider thinking about going. He returns home to his wife and young child only to be killed by some little bastard up for a fight outside a club.

and now 9 pages in, people are discussing the fact that he was a soldier and if he actually deserved to die. Some even called it Karma.

Is this for fúcking real? This is a piss take isn't it? I mean I've read some stupid retarded ****e on boards before but this is a new low. This bloke probably wasn't a scumbag because that's what they do their best to NOT make you in the army! How the hell can some people have their heads stuck so far up their arses to think that all the army do is roam around sticking guns in the faces of civilians in whatever country they are in? They are trying to protect the people that live there because they have as much chance as anyone to be killed by these headcases! Suicide bombers in middle east kill their own countrymen! The British army is working with the Afghan army to try and stop all this!

Who deserves to die:
1. A terrorist with a gun who will kill anyone for the so called "just cause" that they believe in including their own people like innocent civilians and children.

or

2. A signalman who is assisting the fight on these terrorists.

If you think that both have just as much right to life and that Karma got this poor bloke back, you're a ****ing moron. Simple as that.

Didn't anyone even notice that the chap who killed him is already out on bloody bail?!

Wow... you have been seriously brainwashed... lol.

Is this your true understanding of "terrorism" and the likes? The USA and UK, laughably, fed you this propoganda shíte and you swallowed it...

Try educate yourself maybe? Stop listening to sky/fox news and the likes

Just a tip.

recylingbin · 19-05-2010 11:30am

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats right your clearly mixing up unarmed farmers and the Taliban

You're clearly confusing me with a British/US soldier.

padi89 · 19-05-2010 11:38am

Fighting Irish wrote: »

The soldier could have called the "attacker" a prick and it might not have been a cheap shot at all. We'll all assume

A cheap shot is catching someone off guard unaware, so you think if someone calls you a prick the response is to punch them ? There are no reports of a struggle
or punches exchanged between the parties all we know is that he was punched, hit the ground and is now dead. The is no excuses for lashing out physically at someone
no matter what verbals were or weren't exchanged.

Cookie_Monster · 19-05-2010 12:34pm

Wagon wrote: »

Who deserves to die:
1. A terrorist with a gun who will kill anyone for the so called "just cause" that they believe in including their own people like innocent civilians and children.

I'm sure a lot of Afgani's would see the Brits over there as the terrorists, or at the least as Invaders...

A lot of Brits also think that they are in Afghanistan for all the wrong reasons and are essentially operating as terrorists over there...

Fratton Fred · 19-05-2010 1:31pm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I'm sure a lot of Afgani's would see the Brits over there as the terrorists, or at the least as Invaders...

A lot of Brits also think that they are in Afghanistan for all the wrong reasons and are essentially operating as terrorists over there...

most Brits support the action in Afghan, the ones that don't (Apart from the tinfoil hat wearers) want the troops pulled out because they think the Afghans should sort out their own problems, or at least the rest of the world should step up to the mark and commit more troops.

i think there should be a rule that any UN country voting in favour of action like this should be obliged to send at least 1000 of their own troops to fight on the front line.

Zulu · 19-05-2010 1:54pm

Internet dickwad factor is extremely high on this thread; 'tard levels are bordering on dangerous.

Highly Salami · 19-05-2010 2:04pm

Sykk wrote: »

Imagine, his family delighted he's finally home, next minute some scumbag kills him after avoiding death in the war.. Makes me feel ill tbh..

Where in the article does it say that the soldier died?

Sykk · 19-05-2010 2:29pm

Some people are so out of touch with reality, it's actually scary. Not going to quote anything in particular. I think I'll just sit back and watch.

Sykk · 19-05-2010 2:31pm

Highly Salami wrote: »

Where in the article does it say that the soldier died?

A soldier attacked and knocked unconscious outside a club just hours after returning from Afghanistan has died in hospital.

Maybe the very first line of the story?

Glico Man · 19-05-2010 2:43pm

digme wrote: »

You join the military to defend your country,that's the whole point of having one.If your 22 and you joined the army in this day and age your a complete twat and more than likely a BIT slow in the head,,as you know what they are doing is wrong and your not going to be doing anything for your country in terms of defending it.

Liberating is not what they are there for.They are building a huge trans asian pipeline,and they are looting the country of many of their natural resources,they also have 100's of bases to keep china in checlk alogn with russia.Don't be so dam naive.

That is one of the most pig ignorant things I have ever read, not just on boards, but in life.

When you join the army, you can be sent anywhere to defend its interests, be that at home or abroad. The Uk has soldiers stationed globally, most non-operational in Cyprus, Ethiopia, Germany, Sierra Leone and Gibraltar to name a few. Those that are operational are stationed in the Balkans and Afghanistan.

There are several reasons why one joins the army. One major factor could be that he couldn't get a job so he needed to provide for his young family, so the army and its pension seems like a good idea. It could be family tradition to serve in the forces. You never know a persons reasons for joining unless they say so don't assume he's a bit slow or a twat...

And to be honest I'm not going to even bother wasting my time replying to that conspiracy theory tripe you spout

Brittish Soldier killed 7 hours after he gets back from Afghan

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