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Double standards for groping

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    #92
    Rabies
    Registered Users Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    Girls do it just as much as men.
    Men rarely complain unless its an ugly girl.

    Women hardly every complain to bar/security staff until they leave or days after to their mates.

    Any complaints about groping need to be done on the spot so the person can be thrown out


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    #93
    howsyourtusk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭howsyourtusk


    Anyone who says, "I don't mind a bit of groping". What if it was a gay lad groping you?


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    #94
    Rabies
    Registered Users Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    howsyourtusk wrote: »
    Anyone who says, "I don't mind a bit of groping". What if it was a gay lad groping you?

    Class it as the same.
    Unwanted attention is still unwanted.


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    #95
    guitarzero
    Registered Users Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭guitarzero


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    Actually, the connection between groping and sexual repression is normally that the one who does the groping, or the "tapping on the ass" is the one who is sexually repressed. Your desire for interaction exceeds your ability to function socially...basically these people are social retards.

    No. That makes no sense. Because you tap someone on the ass = sexually repressed? Again, nope. It may mean they are not adhering to social norms but sexually repressed, I dont see the connection.


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    #96
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    guitarzero wrote: »
    No. That makes no sense. Because you tap someone on the ass = sexually repressed? Again, nope. It may mean they are not adhering to social norms but sexually repressed, I dont see the connection.

    Think of a child who has yet to develop a decent understanding of the sharing concept. They see another child playing with something, they want it. They don't stop to think about "sharing" or "permission", they just go up and take the toy off them.

    Similar with a sexually repressed person, they don't know how to adequately express their desire in a reasonable manner because for whatever reason at some point in their live that desire was a taboo, so they never properly figured out how to deal with it normally, so rather than walk up to a girl and instigate a conversation they grab her ass. Like a monkey in a lab who hasn't been shocked enough when he pulls the wrong lever.


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    #97
    guitarzero
    Registered Users Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭guitarzero


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    Think of a child who has yet to develop a decent understanding of the sharing concept. They see another child playing with something, they want it. They don't stop to think about "sharing" or "permission", they just go up and take the toy off them.

    Similar with a sexually repressed person, they don't know how to adequately express their desire in a reasonable manner because for whatever reason at some point in their live that desire was a taboo, so they never properly figured out how to deal with it normally, so rather than walk up to a girl and instigate a conversation they grab her ass. Like a monkey in a lab who hasn't been shocked enough when he pulls the wrong lever.

    Again, its not repression, its lack of social/cultural understanding. Repression would probably be not doing anything, maybe feeling guilty at having looked at her ass, praying to god for forgiveness but its not repression. Its a misguided sexual advance but the fact that he actually groped the ass shows he gave himself an outlet. So theres no repression.

    Thats not to say he isnt sexually repressed to some degree but the math you make doesnt add up.


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    #98
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    guitarzero wrote: »
    Again, its not repression, its lack of social/cultural understanding. Repression would probably be not doing anything, maybe feeling guilty at having looked at her ass, praying to god for forgiveness but its not repression. Its a misguided sexual advance but the fact that he actually groped the ass shows he gave himself an outlet. So theres no repression.

    Thats not to say he isnt sexually repressed to some degree but the math you make doesnt add up.

    Of course the math doesn't add up, it's a complex issue. It's a misguided thing to think that sexual repression only manifests as an inability to carry out some function of a desire. Hell, one of the biggest offshoots of early age sexual repression (either societal or religious or parental) is going into sexual overdrive at the first hint of freedom.

    Have a read of some Bill Paris, he manages to make it interesting and highlight the complex nature of sexual repression without being preachy about it or coming down too hard on either side of the line.


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    #99
    impr0v
    Registered Users Posts: 2,647 ✭✭✭impr0v


    Sindri wrote: »
    The legal definition of what your espousing is called rape. ;)

    The verb is "to grope" when it's consensual, "to grape" when it's not. Dermot O'Leary got graped.


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    #100
    PrincessLola
    Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    Men groping women is pretty much acceptable, you get called a bitch or a tease if you tell him to stop.

    It also happens much more to women. There. I said it (*gasp* men and women don't have equal experiences!?)


    Also, both sexes are equally as shallow when it comes to groping, a man would never complain about getting groped by a hot girl, neither would a woman complain about getting groped by a sexy man.


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    #101
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    PrincessLola wrote: »
    Also, both sexes are equally as shallow when it comes to groping, a man would never complain about getting groped by a hot girl, neither would a woman complain about getting groped by a sexy man.

    And somehow the thread just got a whole lot more stupid.


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    #102
    Johro
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    cloptrop wrote: »
    The daily mail never had a problem with the groping , I did , then someone made a joke , I made a few jokes , dont let your view of the story be thwarted by my attention deficit disorder.
    :D Fair enough. I guess it didn't really look like you genuinely had a problem with the groping thing, you had more of a 'why don't I get groped' kinda complaint as far as I could see. That's what you get when you're serious and joking in the same thread I suppose.
    Anyways, yup, should be treated the same for both genders.


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    #103
    LH Pathe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    let's stir up some sexual anarchy I declare tomorrow grope a dope day.


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    #104
    SheFiend
    Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭SheFiend


    PrincessLola wrote: »
    Men groping women is pretty much acceptable, you get called a bitch or a tease if you tell him to stop.

    but you're a slut if you don't.

    i strongly disagree with groping being socially acceptable. The one place it may be is in nightclubs but that's only a small fraction of society. Can't see it going down well in a queue in the supermarket.


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    #105
    cloptrop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    A couple of days later , but oh wait a drunk man did the groping .
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4214299/Danny-Care-arrested-over-sexual-assault-claims.html


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    #106
    DonkyPlonk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭DonkyPlonk


    what about a National Grope Day so that everyone can get those stunted grope feelings out of the way.

    It would increase productivity in the workplace for the rest of the year.


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