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Killer Instinct Discussion Thread
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Despite my hatred of his actual visual design, I like the direction they went with Glacius' gameplay. I also like how he has massive amounts of ice sparks instead of energy sparks like Jago has. All his ice stuff in general actually looks great... his new character design really is terrible though
However, I'm curious to see how they balance full screen unblockables with full screen combos.0 -
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I'm looking forward to this announcement tonight. Placing bets with myself over who it will be. I still reckon it will be Orchid or one of the other humans though.
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http://ie.ign.com/articles/2013/07/14/killer-instinct-character-profiles
Character Profiles presented at 720p 60fps for those who are interested.MarkMan and Filthy Rich getting booed into silence at the start of the presentation says it all really, Id love to have the game but Im not paying €500 for it. If they release a graphically scaled down version on the 360 that plays the same (like the 3DS version of SSF4) ill buy it in a heart beat.
yea man, even though i would love to see this game do well i doubt it will happen due to all the XBox One f*** ups and people still believing that the game is Digital purchase only and ftp but all characters needed to be bought separately enforcing the anger of already upset gamers towards MS thinking its another one of their money grabbing scams.
ive already seen soooo many vids on Youtube by people who are saying KI will be **** cause people were booing it at Evo, thus spreading negativity. such a shame...
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After watching a lot of videos, here's my current view on the game right now, not that it matters :pac:
Combo Breakers, even though they are an integral part of KI, are ironically going to ruin/downgrade the metagame of the game, the same way they did in KI1/KI2. No one wants their combo broken, and the longer you go in a combo, the higher risk you run of it being broken. High level KI revolved around people being very turtley and using short, unbreakable combos. This took away from the game in so many ways. I have no idea how this will equate in this iteration of KI, but, it will have the same effect I think. People will find unbreakables. If not, they will keep combos short with manual doubles. But, this will result in very little damage. It's going to be interesting to see how it pans out. Going for longer combos in a set with an opponent is riskier especially because we haven't seen that high of a level of this game yet, I am going to go ahead and say high level is going to revolve around reacting to auto doubles/linkers for easy breakers, thus tieing in with my point that people are going to keep combos short/unbreakable in some way
I think Lockout is a fantastic mechanic, I can see people just doing heavies during lockouts and then ender, and not risking a chance for the opponent to break their combo. Like I said before, if the combos end up being short/unbreakable in some way, we wont see a lot of this mechanic at all
Shadow breakers right now are RIDICULOUS. You can break a shadow move with 0 effort and 0 cost. That is totally imbalanced as of right now. Your opponent spends a meter on a shadow move to punish/capitalise on a mistake your make, and you can break it for free. It costs nothing. You have to tap LP+LK three times I believe in rhythm of your opponents shadow hits, to break it. This is insanely imbalanced. My take on it is that, it should cost instinct meter to break a shadow move. It shouldn't cost super meter. This adds more depth and fairness to the metagame, should you save your instinct and try to break the followup combo after the shadow move? Should you use instinct for breaking shadow moves thus, saving yourself a lot of damage, at the cost of your instinct? It would be a great addition to the game (obviously split the instinct bar in two like the super meter, for this)
Counter breakers are well..pretty good as far as I can see. The mechanics seem a little odd right now, it's hard to call how the game will pan out. If like I said before, the game doesn't revolve around high combo numbers, this mechanic becomes invalid. But this actually looks to be a pretty good mechanic. The only thing is, you should be vulnerable for longer after a failed counter breaker, right now, it seems as though you aren't vulnerable for that long. Lockout should last much longer after a successful counter breaker too, risk reward needs looking at for this mechanic.
Other things IMO that need addressing, Jago's health recovers too fast in instinct, glacius' shatter is a bit ridiculous
, damage needs to be brought up, that's my two cents for now I guess 0 -
Shadow breakers right now are RIDICULOUS. You can break a shadow move with 0 effort and 0 cost. That is totally imbalanced as of right now. Your opponent spends a meter on a shadow move to punish/capitalise on a mistake your make, and you can break it for free. It costs nothing. You have to tap LP+LK three times I believe in rhythm of your opponents shadow hits, to break it. This is insanely imbalanced. My take on it is that, it should cost instinct meter to break a shadow move. It shouldn't cost super meter. This adds more depth and fairness to the metagame, should you save your instinct and try to break the followup combo after the shadow move? Should you use instinct for breaking shadow moves thus, saving yourself a lot of damage, at the cost of your instinct? It would be a great addition to the game (obviously split the instinct bar in two like the super meter, for this)
Other things IMO that need addressing, Jago's health recovers too fast in instinct, glacius' shatter is a bit ridiculous, damage needs to be brought up, that's my two cents for now I guess
i agree. they can easily tone down Jago's health regain so im not to worried about that.
i like how Ken and DH's goal for the game is to make it so that you're always playing and never "watching a movie" (like in marvel at times) but when i found out about the Shadow breakers i thought "WTF"!. i feel that if you spent shadow meter, you deserve to get the damage. according to one of Max's vids, its not that easy to pull off... but we all know what may seem tough at first, ppl will eventually be able to do it regularly later on in the games life span. hopefully it isnt too powerful. it does somewhat remind me of parries in Third Strike though.0 -
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Lol look how ridiculously broken he looks, does game balance ever enter their heads at all when designing this ****?
Ramza, if you don't have anything constructive to say.... best not to say anything at all. Not saying you have to like this game, but the constant bitching is getting annoying... no offence.0 -
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Ramza, if you don't have anything constructive to say.... best not to say anything at all. Not saying you have to like this game, but the constant bitching is getting annoying... no offence.
How is that a facepalm what I said
What I said was very constructive :pac:
I haven't bitched at this game at all, I've been critical and pointed out flaws, but I am not being facetious, I am being serious in what I say. IMO it's fate is pretty much already sealed in the fact that it's an xbox one exclusive. In fact I wrote a pretty long post giving my two cents on the game mechanics and overall it doesn't look too bad, it's just that KI's mechanics never allowed for high level gameplay. That's why high level KI revolved around working around the mechanics themselves. KI has never been a competitive game because of its nature. I dunno, I just don't want this game to follow suit I guess. But let's be serious, if I sat down one of these developers I would FLATOUT say what I just did, and I would very much mean it constructively. Like, I can't fathom how they think this character design along with Glacius is balanced.
Are you not one to agree with criticism? Isn't that what criticism is? Yknow..being critical? Obviously nothing critical is going on in these guys heads. That's how games get balanced. People play/see and then tell developers whats wrong. Me and countless other people are doing it right now, in fact I've talked to a few of the old KI vets I still talk to personally and a lot are just meh, a famous player called KIG I talked to recently said "this game looks like it could be played with two buttons, it's two japanese styled, that's not what KI is", and in a way, he has a point. But I suppose the developers wanted to developed it in this style, and that doesn't bother me. I just don't understand what's with the messed up character designs. Like, that was an integral reason why KI failed in the first place, the characters were so messed up
Glacius has an unblockable special that hits from underneath you, cost no meter, and is quick, can be done fullscreen....like, need I say any more? THIS kind of thing should not be in a fighting game. Like, we're only 4 characters deep, and madness is ensuing :pac: It's like to me they're saying "yeah, all the previous KIs were broken as ****, had stupid ****, and had no high level metagame outside of working around the mechanics themselves, let's make another ****ed up broken game that no one will play", that's what it looks like to me when I see this game. It's got stuff going for it, but this whack character design needs to stop, seems like an emerging trend with this game
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How is that a facepalm what I said
What I said was very constructive :pac:
I haven't bitched at this game at all, I've been critical and pointed out flaws, but I am not being facetious, I am being serious in what I say. IMO it's fate is pretty much already sealed in the fact that it's an xbox one exclusive. In fact I wrote a pretty long post giving my two cents on the game mechanics and overall it doesn't look too bad, it's just that KI's mechanics never allowed for high level gameplay. That's why high level KI revolved around working around the mechanics themselves. KI has never been a competitive game because of its nature. I dunno, I just don't want this game to follow suit I guess. But let's be serious, if I sat down one of these developers I would FLATOUT say what I just did, and I would very much mean it constructively. Like, I can't fathom how they think this character design along with Glacius is balanced.
Are you not one to agree with criticism? Isn't that what criticism is? Yknow..being critical? Obviously nothing critical is going on in these guys heads. That's how games get balanced. People play/see and then tell developers whats wrong. Me and countless other people are doing it right now, in fact I've talked to a few of the old KI vets I still talk to personally and a lot are just meh, a famous player called KIG I talked to recently said "this game looks like it could be played with two buttons, it's two japanese styled, that's not what KI is", and in a way, he has a point. But I suppose the developers wanted to developed it in this style, and that doesn't bother me. I just don't understand what's with the messed up character designs. Like, that was an integral reason why KI failed in the first place, the characters were so messed up
Glacius has an unblockable special that hits from underneath you, cost no meter, and is quick, can be done fullscreen....like, need I say any more? THIS kind of thing should not be in a fighting game. Like, we're only 4 characters deep, and madness is ensuing :pac: It's like to me they're saying "yeah, all the previous KIs were broken as ****, had stupid ****, and had no high level metagame outside of working around the mechanics themselves, let's make another ****ed up broken game that no one will play", that's what it looks like to me when I see this game. It's got stuff going for it, but this whack character design needs to stop, seems like an emerging trend with this game
There's no EASY way to say this
I agree
Some of the mechanics sound flat out retarded, full screen unblockable, seriously
We'll see how this 1v1 marvel pans out I guess, I hope it's merely exaggeration with the potential of charcters in this, given that theres less then 6, an unbalanced game lacking quantity of characters is forboding to say the least.
So long as it's fun what the big deal, right?.0 -
To be fair Ben, I think most people's eyebrows were raised with the fullscreen comboable unblockable low projectile from Glacius, but an invincible special cancellable dash does sound absolutely mental, even if it can only be used 10% of the time or whatever. It's like the stuff you see on saltybet
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