Cork GAA Discussion Thread

http://dontfoul.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/cork-v-sligo-2014-championship/
If,you had,a,correct 15  picked,with a right system and the players,bought in to it i would give,Cork a huge chance of being competive.The,system should be correct but who knows what team is going to be picked.The midfield or Andrew,Sullivan scenario shouldnt be suprise,as in every game,from day one i could see we had huge midfield issues.I feel for Andrew.
A situation that could have been avoided totally.

A good and intersting read in those,stats  particulary we lost 12/20 of their kockouts when they went over the 45.we are fine when we can control out short kickouts but when Mayo push up and force us to go long or when they do we have problems.And,Sligo are,hardly a fortress in ball winning.

Cuthbhert,said it was Andrew sullivans call to walk away from the panel.Its far from a happy camp imo if a player he was,so loyal to game after game after game yet is now gone.Its not that Andrew is gone it is the timing and why thats the Concern.

Mark collins,had,a,supetb game and simply must start v mayo with kelly everything you want in a player he has it.A tough playet,great,engine.

A huge,game for the Minors v dublin Monday.If cork pick there best 15 they could win it.However will the best team be picked its a,concern when the best half forward in Cork minor and imo in the top 5 in the County at u21 chizende obegene is just on the extended,panel and the,Brillant Micheal Desmond apparently superb for,Kil martya in the,Intermdiate the weekend Again he  can't get a game til kerry then he,gets,taken off then Mike Lordan cant get a game despite holding an intercounty player in kavanagh very well in Croke park i would wonder will we pick our best 15.

The outstanding kevin flahive who played,senior for douglas,and captain and held Spillane well couldnt handle obegene at times in douglas v nemo at u21 earlier this year.Obegene just won a county u 21.

Cian kiely should be half forward and not half back.A terrific player.Daniel meaney is a,wonderful hurler but i said he wasnt the best centre back in cork football.
Due to injury o donovan started,there and was,superb v kerry.
I said,after waterford cork had to start,certain players or,we,could loose,and,we,did not.

Kerry i felt the,score board did not show there true,dominance.We must start certain lads,to beat Dublin or be,competitve as they got nine goals in their last two games.

Padraig Gould was,excellent for Na pirasaigh again the weekend.Only for injury would have pushed hard on the Cork panel.
I would like to see him get leage games next year to strengthen our panel.A tough hard player with pace and lovely wrists,a wristy type of hurler.
I cant understand why joyce again is played at midfield,for Club.
He is half back is hes best position.

Animal Id go with that team bar,Clancy over cahalane but that just is my choice id,take that team though but i wouldnt have Gould id have. dinneen but as,dinneen got no games he has to go with gould now.

As for Cadogan yes he is a,superb player a certain all star and likely young player of the year but Pa callaghan.is just as good and has been on beaten cork teams in.the past.
To say he lacks something and its a sign of more him lacking than put the focus on management i suggest with respect you find out why he wont play.He declined the senior set up as he had a back injury ,nothing remotely to do with drive or ambition.


He could play u21 even if he wanted a break and i would think imo if another manager was in charge he would likely play.
I dont blame Pa at all.

As for Kevin O Keoffe im almost certain he played in the forwards for blackrock just weeks ago at in a game niall cashman i believe played also.

No excuse why he is not on the panel.
I suppose the reason i go on about Pa is simply were playing the best team in ireland and i would like to see the best 15 play for Cork.The guy has always performed in cork teams.Jbm rated him as much as cadogan as he called him up to senior but he,declined as with an injury senior is much more commitment than u21.
Pa drive and commitment on poor managed minor teams was alway a hundred and ten per cent



If Cork are blown away by clare it wont be for a lack of talent.The minors were competive against the best or second best team in ireland in limerick without two men and had no real game as kerry wasnt a test.
We had a competent manager.
There is simply no exuse if cork as tipp were not competive wednesday.

Clare blew limerick away and i said that would happen in the limerick thread in january as any team with Tom Ryan involved are hardly great.That game and tipp showed if you have poor management you could be beaten heavily but you have like tipp a good set up you can be competive.

Amprodude wrote: »

If Kerrys subs bench lined out against the Cork team in Croke Park. They would still beat us there. What summed it up for me was 2009. We had the best team playing the best football until the final. We got a great lead and couldnt kick on. I said to myself after that game that we are never destined to beat Kerry in Croke Park. I don't think we will get past Mayo anyway so we are safe enough.

Yeah, I agree. 2009 was a real kick in the teeth, especailly after beating Tyrone with 14 men for most of that game by 6 points. Colm O'Neill scored a brilliant goal, and Cork led that game by 1-3 to 0-1 point and still couldn't beat Kerry. Shocking!

I'd be happy with Cork putting up a decent performance against Mayo the next day. It's been a very bad year for Cork senior inter county football. Alot of things have gone wrong and are still wrong. I can't see Cork getting their act together and springing a surprise on everyone similar to what Kerry did in 2009 but it's not impossible. A decent performance against Mayo would at least end the year on a positive note. Even if the management doesn't deserve a break, the players badly deserve a positive end to the year!

Amprodude wrote: »

If Kerrys subs bench lined out against the Cork team in Croke Park. They would still beat us there. What summed it up for me was 2009. We had the best team playing the best football until the final. We got a great lead and couldnt kick on. I said to myself after that game that we are never destined to beat Kerry in Croke Park. I don't think we will get past Mayo anyway so we are safe enough.

We wont get past mayo so this point is moot. However the Kerry team of 2009 was a different beast to the current set up which looked like a dream team after corks 'performance' over them in the munster final. Donegal or Dublin will beat them or mayo in the semi final.
Cork to be beaten by between 6-8 points sunday unfortunately.

Thats a superb read and a lot of valid points but again they fail to question managers.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/07/31/hurling-committee-needed-revive-underage-hurling-cork/

And i think they got carried away with the waterford win.great read though credit due.

There is likely if true what i heard a few may not commit next year.
This panel you would wonder is moral good.and a real belief in the management exists at all

To be fair to Cuthbert I can understand why he has gone with Colm O'Driscoll and Mark Collins instead of Goulding and Paddy Kelly. I don't think that either Goulding or Kelly can play a defensive system effectively. They're excellent forward players but for one reason or another, they lack that defensive streak, maybe it's ego, maybe it's laziness, maybe they're just too forward thinking, but the last day you could see O'Driscoll and Collins were absoutely selfless against Sligo. They both sacrificed their own games/performances for the sake of the team and did the job asked of them. On balance, I think Cuthbert is right to go with the team that played against Sligo because I think if Cork set up like they did against Mayo in the league or against Kerry in the Munster final, then they would be ripped to shreds. Mayo ran straight through that Cork defense in the league, at least on Sunday, you will have plenty of bodies back, and at least with players like O'Driscoll and Collins, players won't simply be back in their own half just to make up the numbers, they know how to defend, and they'll frustrate Mayo's forward play.

It will be interesting to see what happens when Donal Vaughan and Lee Keegan attack. Will they be frustrated by Cork's blanket defense. If Keegan and Vaughan cough up possession can Cork transition from defense to attack quickly enough to expose the space left by Keegan and Vaughan. That could be the winning and the losing of the game. Collins is certainly intelligent enough to carry the ball forwards by hand or with a foot pass and pick out our forward line, and Colm O'Neill, Hodnett and Hurley need very little space or time to convert chances. Kerrigan will have lots of space to run into the next day, and this should aid the transition from defense to attack. It should create overlaps and maybe goal scoring chances!

Cuthbherts team is a contradiction of thought in he sets up defensively yet he has just two defenders as subs.

Id agree goulding isnt defensive but kelly always has been a superb tackler and a man to turnover possesion like tyrone 09 showed.

He has not any real idea gaa wise what he is doing with the panel in terms of getting the balance in the team or panel right.Sorry if this sounds harsh but Cork football at least deserves Honesty and truth lets call a spade a spade.He has no direction with hes selections.
Play kelly one game then drop him,same with collins.
Kiely a terrific prospect gets a panel place ahead of dinnen.Pure panic.

If cork get blown away serious questions must be asked by the cork media in Cuthbherts future and why did the Board appoint him
.The ex great friend of cuthbhert Mick slocum was fast enough to have a go at fans,in fairness fans had valid concerns as said by many gaa pundits.Mick choose to ignore the trouble with ANDREW sul,and the ommison of other players now though.

We need the media to simply do their job and not pick and choose also what they say.
In the paul kimmage interview the other night he was complimented for being the ist to go against popularity and ask the hard questions with Armstrong.He replied I was doing my job that others simply wouldnt.


There has been a trail of consistent mess ups with this management and poor treatment of players,surely its feasible to say it.All you want is people to call it as is.Nothing more nothing less.All it simply is is soley and purely critising him as Cork senior football manager.If he doesnt want to criticised dont take the job.
There has been far more proven managers in Cork that got critised.and just got on what it.its not that.mistakes were made that the SAME.MISTAKES ARE REPEATED AGAIN.AND AGAIN.

This nononese that cuthbhert has no choice but to play the same team as that played v sligo is just not true.He is simply taking a chance by starting that team.Christ above we have an unsettled half back line,midfield and half forward line.

This teams destiny should be decided by making logical choices not taking chance after chance which is what he is doing.I had serious concerns from day one but he suprised me in its actually worse than I thought.

Like the u21 hurling being a joke there wont be any review by the board in a week And Kettle said all dublin.hurling to be reviewed as they lost three final so far.
It happens year on year in Cork but sure look leave it as it is.