Ulster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

errlloyd · 09-04-2014 2:13pm

Sounds a lot like the commissioner wanted to throw it out but also had to stand by the ref.

Brewster · 09-04-2014 2:53pm

errlloyd wrote: »

Sounds a lot like the commissioner wanted to throw it out but also had to stand by the ref.

Of course, if there was no ban, effectively it would be an admission that referee made the wrong call. This was never going to be the case because of the sheer impact decision had on Ulster's season.

sweetthing · 09-04-2014 3:31pm

Brewster wrote: »

Of course, if there was no ban, effectively it would be an admission that referee made the wrong call. This was never going to be the case because of the sheer impact decision had on Ulster's season.

talk about ****ting on ulster though...as if the red card wasnt bad enough...

.ak · 09-04-2014 3:55pm

Brewster wrote: »

Of course, if there was no ban, effectively it would be an admission that referee made the wrong call. This was never going to be the case because of the sheer impact decision had on Ulster's season.

He could easily not ban him and state that the red card was punishment enough, that would back up the ref and yet probably err on the side of fairness.

When all is said and done however the ref and judiciary process is correct within the letter of the law, but I don't agree with it. I think in some situations being 'reckless' is unavoidable and the duty of care of players cannot be upheld in certain situations at nobodies particular fault.

Buer · 09-04-2014 4:43pm

Buer wrote: »

I'd say, at most, 2 weeks and that would only be if they're looking to make an example of it. He has received one yellow card in his entire career.

One day you'll listen to me.

One day.

jacothelad · 09-04-2014 4:57pm

Buer wrote: »

One day you'll listen to me.

One day.

Soon.....

bilston · 09-04-2014 5:36pm

Probably always the most likely outcome. I just think banning him serves no purpose at all. He didn't do anything intentionally so what do they think he will learn from the ban? I suppose they have a framework they have to work within though.

Heard something else annoying today from someone who was at the game. Apparently Ashton was definitely offside for the cross field kick try. I was told 5 metres, although I assume that was slightly embellished, but still if true it rubs salt into the wounds...I must admit while the replays didn't show anything my gut feeling was that he was onside but anyway thought I'd pass on what I was told...

First Up · 09-04-2014 5:39pm

All things considered it is probably a fair outcome. He was never going to get off entirely - the commissions first ruling was that the Red card was justified and it is inconceivable they would have found otherwise. This isn't just backing up Garces; its about showing that they are serious about dangerous play and by any interpretation of the laws, this qualified as dangerous play.

After that comes consideration of the punishment and any mitigating circumstances. That might include the "punishment enough" angle but I reckon it was more about the obvious lack of intent and his good record. When that was balanced against the offence, the three weeks reduced to two decision emerged.

I would not have been surprised if it had fallen into the mid-range (6 weeks) category but I'm happy for Payne and Ulster that it didn't.

awec · 09-04-2014 5:39pm

TBH they checked the offside. There was no angle that had both Farrell and Ashton in shot at the same time but he looked onside.

bilston · 09-04-2014 5:44pm

awec wrote: »

TBH they checked the offside. There was no angle that had both Farrell and Ashton in shot at the same time but he looked onside.

Oh I totally agree, the camera angle didn't tell us one way or the other, but his was the second time I'd heard from someone at the game that Ashton was offside. But as I say my gut said he was probably on.

Podge_irl · 09-04-2014 5:45pm

If he actually was offside then it would be incredibly stupid cause he had no need to be.

awec · 09-04-2014 5:46pm

bilston wrote: »

Oh I totally agree, the camera angle didn't tell us one way or the other, but his was the second time I'd heard from someone at the game that Ashton was offside. But as I say my gut said he was probably on.

No point worrying any more bilster - console yourself with the thought of what Clermont will hopefully do to them in the semi final. :P

bilston · 09-04-2014 5:48pm

awec wrote: »

No point worrying any more bilster - console yourself with the thought of what Clermont will hopefully do to them in the semi final. :P

It's not like we'd have beaten Clermont minus Best, Tuohy, Wilson, possibly Afoa and Pienaar anyway.

bilston · 09-04-2014 5:48pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

If he actually was offside then it would be incredibly stupid cause he had no need to be.

Aye, true

.ak · 09-04-2014 10:29pm

awec wrote: »

TBH they checked the offside. There was no angle that had both Farrell and Ashton in shot at the same time but he looked onside.

I think he looked miles offside considering how far he'd have to cover if he was on, but there was no wide angle so they couldn't do anything about it. Again, poor form on the touch judges part

matthew8 · 09-04-2014 10:34pm

.ak wrote: »

I think he looked miles offside considering how far he'd have to cover if he was on, but there was no wide angle so they couldn't do anything about it. Again, poor form on the touch judges part

Watch it again. He had barely any ground to cover.

jacothelad · 09-04-2014 10:57pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

If he actually was offside then it would be incredibly stupid cause he had no need to be.

Yes, Ashton would never do anything stupid now, would he.:D

CatFromHue · 10-04-2014 1:34am

Just listening to Off the Ball on Newstalk and Gerry Thornley was very against the Payne Red card whereas Keith Wood was for it.

ssaye2 · 10-04-2014 11:02am

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/ulster-to-decide-today-whether-to-appeal-payne-s-two-week-ban-1.1756403

ssaye2 · 10-04-2014 11:54am

http://uafc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=17115&sid=aeda1239722f8d383d88cbb5d29906b4&start=75

silly names aside

They were wrong

Ulster XV and replacements to face Connacht, RaboDirect PRO12 Ravenhill, Friday 11th April (kick off 19:05) (15-9): R Andrew, A Trimble, T Bowe, L Marshall, C Gilroy, P Jackson, P Marshall; (1-8): A Warwick, R Herring, R Lutton, J Muller (Captain), I Henderson, R Diack, C Henry, N Williams; Replacements (16-23): N Annett, T Court, A Macklin, L Stevenson, S Doyle, M Heaney, J McKinney, S McCloskey.

awec · 10-04-2014 11:55am

Do alright.

.ak · 10-04-2014 11:56am

Looking forward to seeing McCloskey again.

ssaye2 · 10-04-2014 12:02pm

Ulster XV and replacements to face Connacht, RaboDirect PRO12 Ravenhill, Friday 11th April (kick off 19:05) (15-9): R Andrew, A Trimble, T Bowe, L Marshall, C Gilroy, P Jackson, P Marshall; (1-8): A Warwick, R Herring, R Lutton, J Muller (Captain), I Henderson, R Diack, C Henry, N Williams; Replacements (16-23): N Annett, T Court, A Macklin, L Stevenson, S Doyle, M Heaney, J McKinney, S McCloskey.

Bowe 13

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience · 10-04-2014 12:03pm

ssaye2 wrote: »

Ulster XV and replacements to face Connacht, RaboDirect PRO12 Ravenhill, Friday 11th April (kick off 19:05) (15-9): R Andrew, A Trimble, T Bowe, L Marshall, C Gilroy, P Jackson, P Marshall; (1-8): A Warwick, R Herring, R Lutton, J Muller (Captain), I Henderson, R Diack, C Henry, N Williams; Replacements (16-23): N Annett, T Court, A Macklin, L Stevenson, S Doyle, M Heaney, J McKinney, S McCloskey.

Bowe 13

Very, very interesting

awec · 10-04-2014 12:05pm

Hopefully that team can do the job. Need Paul Marshall to have a decent game.

bilston · 10-04-2014 12:10pm

Would have preferred Gilroy at 15 and Scholes on the wing, other than that a decent selection. Will be interesting to see how the front row goes.

.ak · 10-04-2014 12:15pm

Great to see Trimble is fit. I think he's crucial to your chances in the play offs.

justsomebloke · 10-04-2014 12:16pm

Did Ferris pick up a knock last week?

awec · 10-04-2014 12:21pm

Don't think so. I reckon we don't need to push him so hard now we're out of Europe.

its_phil · 10-04-2014 12:29pm

ssaye2 wrote: »

Ulster XV and replacements to face Connacht, RaboDirect PRO12 Ravenhill, Friday 11th April (kick off 19:05) (15-9): R Andrew, A Trimble, T Bowe, L Marshall, C Gilroy, P Jackson, P Marshall; (1-8): A Warwick, R Herring, R Lutton, J Muller (Captain), I Henderson, R Diack, C Henry, N Williams; Replacements (16-23): N Annett, T Court, A Macklin, L Stevenson, S Doyle, M Heaney, J McKinney, S McCloskey.

Bowe 13

Exciting backline. Bowe will be interesting. I'd imagine Connacht will be targeting the scrum, especially Warwick.

awec · 10-04-2014 12:33pm

Henshaw is playing 13 for Connacht, interesting battle alright.

its_phil · 10-04-2014 12:43pm

awec wrote: »

Henshaw is playing 13 for Connacht, interesting battle alright.

Griffin is playing 13 and Henshaw is playing 15

bilston · 10-04-2014 1:25pm

its_phil wrote: »

Griffin is playing 13 and Henshaw is playing 15

That's a shame, it would have been great to see them in direct opposition.

its_phil · 10-04-2014 1:53pm

bilston wrote: »

That's a shame, it would have been great to see them in direct opposition.

Yeah would of been interesting. Very excited for this

Shelflife · 10-04-2014 1:55pm

.ak wrote: »

Great to see Trimble is fit. I think he's crucial to your chances in the play offs.

Is he though? looked concussed last week yet returns less than a week later.

Not setting a good example IMO.

.ak · 10-04-2014 2:02pm

Shelflife wrote: »

Is he though? looked concussed last week yet returns less than a week later.

Not setting a good example IMO.

Well you'd hope that he is, and that Ulster aren't breaking any rules concerning player safety, after all they should be able to take Connacht on without him.

awec · 10-04-2014 3:18pm

http://www.u.tv/sport/Rory-tries-to-sign-Carter-for-Ulster/F730F05C-CCDC-4F80-AD2D-D50C3E145955

Good man Rory!

"Rory 'tries to sign Carter for Ulster'"

bilston · 10-04-2014 4:08pm

Shelflife wrote: »

Is he though? looked concussed last week yet returns less than a week later.

Not setting a good example IMO.

To be honest I think the Ulster medical team are in the best possible position to judge.

damianmcr · 10-04-2014 7:00pm

Shelflife wrote: »

Is he though? looked concussed last week yet returns less than a week later.

Not setting a good example IMO.

If he passes the return to play protocols then whats the problem?

Shelflife · 10-04-2014 10:05pm

damianmcr wrote: »

If he passes the return to play protocols then whats the problem?

I'm open to correction , but if he did suffer a concussion on sat, and to my eyes he looked out of it on the night, then to return within 6 days would breach the irb requirements which is 1 week.

If they are saying he wasn't concussed then that's a different story.

Just seems silly to rush him back.

damianmcr · 11-04-2014 12:08am

There is no time limit anymore. Once he passes the protocols he is free to play.

Thats my take on it. I dont mind being corrected though.

.ak · 11-04-2014 9:36am

Shelflife wrote: »

I'm open to correction , but if he did suffer a concussion on sat, and to my eyes he looked out of it on the night, then to return within 6 days would breach the irb requirements which is 1 week.

If they are saying he wasn't concussed then that's a different story.

Just seems silly to rush him back.

Well that's probably the most important thing bolded there. I would think the Ulster medical staff would know a bit more and the fact is we actually don't know if he was concussed or not. It's very easy to look legless coming off a pitch and have nothing wrong with your head.

If this isn't the case, then yes, it would be absolutely silly to rush him back, but you'd hope with all the issues concerning concussions lately that the medical staff wouldn't be that stupid or careless.

bilston · 12-04-2014 10:30am

Anyone know much about Louis Ludik?

jacothelad · 12-04-2014 1:23pm

bilston wrote: »

Anyone know much about Louis Ludik?

Louis Ludik

Intro

Louis is a quick attacking player with a good boot and sound tackling technique and a very valuable acquisition for the Sharks. He is known as the "last line of defense" as it is fairly impossible to get past him. This experienced fullback is plying his trade in France for the next 2 seasons at Agen.

Personal Details

Full Name: Louis Ludik
Date of birth: 8 October 1986
Weight: 92kg
Height: 1.83m
Position: Fullback
Team: Sharks & Agen

CAREER

Squads
Agen, France 2013 - 2015
Super 15 Sharks squad 2013
Super 15 Sharks squad 2012
Super 15 Sharks 2011
Sharks (ABSA Currie Cup Premier Division) - 2010
Sharks Invitational XV (Absa Currie Cup Compulsory Friendlies) - 2010
Sharks XV (Vodacom Cup) - 2010
Xerox Golden Lions (British & Irish Lions Tour) - 2009
Auto & General Lions (Vodacom Super 14) - 2009
Xerox Lions (ABSA Currie Cup Premier Div) - 2008
Xerox Lions (Absa Currie Cup Compulsory Friendlies) - 2008
Auto & General Lions (Vodacom Super 14) - 2008
Golden Lions (ABSA Currie Cup Premier Div) - 2007
SA Emerging (IRB Nations Cup) - 2007
Lions (Vodacom Super 14) - 2007
Lions (ABSA Currie Cup Premier Division) - 2006
Lions (Vodacom Cup) - 2006
Golden Lions (SA Under 19) - 2005
Golden Lions (ABSA Under 21 Competition) - 2005
Falcons (U18 Coca-Cola Craven Week) - 2004

CIARAN_BOYLE · 12-04-2014 1:27pm

bilston wrote: »

Anyone know much about Louis Ludik?

27 years old 80ish super caps, full back who can cover wing, moved to france for 13/14 on a biggish money deal, but agen went down before he signed and he has asked for a release because he doesn't like prod2

shuffol · 12-04-2014 2:12pm

I'd love to see McCloskey get a run of games, certainly an interesting prospect.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 12-04-2014 7:23pm

Does anyone know anything on Fitzpatrick's status, word on a couple of other forums that his reported injury is non existent and he has significantly fallen out with anscombe. Possibly moving on. However I don't know the reliability of posters on those forums so wondering if someone from here might have an idea.

Hagz · 12-04-2014 7:28pm

I suppose Ludik will fill the gap when Payne moves south.

jacothelad · 12-04-2014 10:03pm

Hagz wrote: »

I suppose Ludik will fill the gap when Payne moves south.

You're

.
Why would Payne move south to a team on the down slope when he can stay where he is and play in the Ireland backline alongside the likes of Jackson, Olding, Marshall, Bowe, Trimble, Gilroy, McCloskey and Scholes.....

thomond2006 · 12-04-2014 10:08pm

Hagz wrote: »

I suppose Ludik will fill the gap when Payne moves south to Munster.

Agreed

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