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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Notice on the CAI trade site, lack of detailed technical information causing some confusion for installers of shared dish installations.
    Sky Q – some confusion
    17 December 2015

    Not wishing to give up its place as the UK’s premiere pay-tv supplier Sky has driven some companies involved in shared antenna systems into a frenzy over its new Sky Q product. A number of system installing members are calling the CAI office for advice on what they should be planning for following enquiries by some housing agents wanting to prepare for the future. The CAI has written to Sky but have yet to receive any formal statement about the new box and the necessary technical specification to make it work in an IRS situation. The CAI has been passed some mischievous letters being circulated to the housing industry containing some very random type statements plumping out their content. With no concrete technical information they are merely aimed to try and make housing decision-makers and landlords consider putting potential business elsewhere. What we do know is that the product is merely at trial and pilot stages as system upgrading will be required and those requirements are being evaluated. For now the CAI member can only install systems to current requirements until such times as marketeers make way for a formal technical statement. The Sky statement will be published as soon as it is available.

    http://www.cai.org.uk/information/cai-news/889-sky-q-some-confusion


  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭thatsmyboy


    Hi folks a quick question.i have a sky + hd box that's about 3 or 4 yrs old. I stopped sky about that long ago and I'm using a free to air box off the sat dish. Any ways I plugged in the box last night and took out the old card and it's only giving me the BBC channels as free view and when I go to the channel 4 channels it's asking for me to insert my card but no point in doing that as service in stopped .. Any ideas. Would it be worth my while getting the free uk sat cardi saw a guy selling them on adverts for 4 yo yos....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭winston_1


    thatsmyboy wrote: »
    Hi folks a quick question.i have a sky + hd box that's about 3 or 4 yrs old. I stopped sky about that long ago and I'm using a free to air box off the sat dish. Any ways I plugged in the box last night and took out the old card and it's only giving me the BBC channels as free view and when I go to the channel 4 channels it's asking for me to insert my card but no point in doing that as service in stopped .. Any ideas. Would it be worth my while getting the free uk sat cardi saw a guy selling them on adverts for 4 yo yos....

    Channel 4 is free to air. Something else is wrong. A card won't help. Try adding it in other channels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,805 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    thatsmyboy wrote: »
    Hi folks a quick question.i have a sky + hd box that's about 3 or 4 yrs old. I stopped sky about that long ago and I'm using a free to air box off the sat dish. Any ways I plugged in the box last night and took out the old card and it's only giving me the BBC channels as free view and when I go to the channel 4 channels it's asking for me to insert my card but no point in doing that as service in stopped .. Any ideas. Would it be worth my while getting the free uk sat cardi saw a guy selling them on adverts for 4 yo yos....

    Do you have RTE 1 at number 101? The C4 channels on the Irish EPG are encrypted so that would explain why you are asked for a card.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    thatsmyboy wrote: »
    Hi folks a quick question.i have a sky + hd box that's about 3 or 4 yrs old. I stopped sky about that long ago and I'm using a free to air box off the sat dish. Any ways I plugged in the box last night and took out the old card and it's only giving me the BBC channels as free view and when I go to the channel 4 channels it's asking for me to insert my card but no point in doing that as service in stopped .. Any ideas. Would it be worth my while getting the free uk sat cardi saw a guy selling them on adverts for 4 yo yos....

    the days of getting a UK sky Card are over

    As a Humax Freesat Freetime gives all you need


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    ftakeith wrote: »
    the days of getting a UK sky Card are over

    As a Humax Freesat Freetime gives all you need

    Yea if you're willing to lash out 300 odd yoyo's for the privilege. My magic card for a tenner does me fine.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    jca wrote: »
    Yea if you're willing to lash out 300 odd yoyo's for the privilege. My magic card for a tenner does me fine.

    yes I can record with no hassle legally


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    ftakeith wrote: »
    yes I can record with no hassle legally

    So can I. Sorry, I paid 50 for the card not a tenner. I'll take my chances. P. S. Is using a Humax outside the UK legal? What post code did you put in, eircode?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    jca wrote: »
    So can I. Sorry, I paid 50 for the card not a tenner. I'll take my chances. P. S. Is using a Humax outside the UK legal? What post code did you put in, eircode?

    M60 ORA , manchester postcode on 2 freesat freetime boxes

    I can use the ITV player, youtube players fine but not the 'all4', bbc I-player and demand5


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Nothing wrong with using a Freesat box outside the UK as long as you can pick up a signal.

    However it is illegal to buy or sell a Sky digital viewing card, so lets have no more discussion of that

    Also I count 8 posts since anything to do with SkyQ was mentioned, so back on topic please.
    .


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    icdg wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with using a Freesat box outside the UK as long as you can pick up a signal.

    However it is illegal to buy or sell a Sky digital viewing card, so lets have no more discussion of that

    Also I count 8 posts since anything to do with SkyQ was mentioned, so back on topic please.
    .

    I might just Sky Q so I can neatly put it underneath my humax freesat freetime


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    ftakeith wrote: »
    I might just Sky Q so I can neatly put it underneath my humax freesat freetime

    Will it fit with the NowTV box, Sky hub and all the other kit you have from them?

    You must be on JD Buckley's speed dial by now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    icdg wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with using a Freesat box outside the UK as long as you can pick up a signal.

    However it is illegal to buy or sell a Sky digital viewing card, so lets have no more discussion of that

    Also I count 8 posts since anything to do with SkyQ was mentioned, so back on topic please.
    .

    Circumventing geoblocking not get a mention or does freetime work here now?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    He hasn't mentioned any methods of circumventing geoblocking. Take a warning for ignoring moderator instructions and on thread questioning of moderation.

    If this thread doesn't return to the topic of SkyQ in a meanful way then I will close it until the launch


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    icdg wrote: »
    He hasn't mentioned any methods of circumventing geoblocking. Take a warning for ignoring moderator instructions and on thread questioning of moderation.

    If this thread doesn't return to the topic of SkyQ in a meanful way then I will close it until the launch

    Back on the Sky Q topic

    Sky Q will make my TV devices more neatly in my main TV room

    I have 300 films legally purchased from 'Sky Store buy and keep', Sky send me the film dvd after I purchase from my Sky TV box.

    I don't even keep the DVD as I give it away to family/friends/work colleagues

    With Sky Q, I could bring the Sky Q box anywhere and connect it to any TV and watch content

    Outside of the UK/Ireland, if I download the films to my sky box, I can watch the films
    I downloaded some films to the sky store app on my laptop so I watched the films on a german trip
    It should work the same on a sky Q box


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    ftakeith wrote: »
    Back on the Sky Q topic

    Sky Q will make my TV devices more neatly in my main TV room

    I have 300 films legally purchased from 'Sky Store buy and keep', Sky send me the film dvd after I purchase from my Sky TV box.

    I don't even keep the DVD as I give it away to family/friends/work colleagues

    With Sky Q, I could bring the Sky Q box anywhere and connect it to any TV and watch content

    Outside of the UK/Ireland, if I download the films to my sky box, I can watch the films
    I downloaded some films to the sky store app on my laptop so I watched the films on a german trip
    It should work the same on a sky Q box

    Will it not check it has a sat feed to somehow authorise the content?

    (Genuine question - I know I've given you a bit of a ribbing lately.)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,544 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    ftakeith wrote: »
    I have 300 films legally purchased from 'Sky Store buy and keep', Sky send me the film dvd after I purchase from my Sky TV box.

    I don't even keep the DVD as I give it away to family/friends/work colleagues

    I'm pretty certain that giving away the DVD invalidates the "legally" bit of the download version in this scenario.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    L1011 wrote: »
    I'm pretty certain that giving away the DVD invalidates the "legally" bit of the download version in this scenario.

    Nothing illegal

    I can give away the DVD of any film I purchased from sky store buy/keep

    I have digital versions through my sky box in HD

    I also have digital versions online through the sky store app in SD and in HD

    Sky Q will make the viewing of my purchased films much better.

    I can bring my Sky Q box from my main tv room to another room at home or beyond while others could watch freesat/saorview


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,539 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    ftakeith wrote: »
    Back on the Sky Q topic

    Sky Q will make my TV devices more neatly in my main TV room

    I have 300 films legally purchased from 'Sky Store buy and keep', Sky send me the film dvd after I purchase from my Sky TV box.

    I don't even keep the DVD as I give it away to family/friends/work colleagues

    With Sky Q, I could bring the Sky Q box anywhere and connect it to any TV and watch content

    Outside of the UK/Ireland, if I download the films to my sky box, I can watch the films
    I downloaded some films to the sky store app on my laptop so I watched the films on a german trip
    It should work the same on a sky Q box

    I'm just amazed that people pay Sky's exorbitant Sky Store prices in this day and age.
    You have over 300, they must love you in Sky.:D
    Also, don't see the point of having a digital version and then sending you a DVD. Defeats the purpose in my opinion.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    murpho999 wrote: »
    I'm just amazed that people pay Sky's exorbitant Sky Store prices in this day and age.
    You have over 300, they must love you in Sky.:D
    Also, don't see the point of having a digital version and then sending you a DVD. Defeats the purpose in my opinion.

    for about 250 of the films I got them between 7.99euros to 9.99euros

    At least my home does not have dusty DVDs around my home and I am not a storage hoarder of DVDs


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,544 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    ftakeith wrote: »
    Nothing illegal

    I can give away the DVD of any film I purchased from sky store buy/keep

    Where in the T&Cs does it say this?

    My understanding is that the Sky box version is effectively the same as the Ultraviolet 'copy' with a Bluray - you lose all rights to it if you sell or give away the DVD.

    If you haven't read the T&Cs and are just assuming this I suggest you do read them - urgently.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    ftakeith wrote: »
    for about 250 of the films I got them between 7.99euros to 9.99euros

    At least my home does not have dusty DVDs around my home and I am not a storage hoarder of DVDs

    assuming you arent storing all of these on the sky box? or are you deleting them once watched?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    L1011 wrote: »
    Where in the T&Cs does it say this?

    My understanding is that the Sky box version is effectively the same as the Ultraviolet 'copy' with a Bluray - you lose all rights to it if you sell or give away the DVD.

    If you haven't read the T&Cs and are just assuming this I suggest you do read them - urgently.

    I don't lose any legal rights

    After I watch the films on my sky box, I archive the films


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭The Ayatolla


    Who's gonna come after him for giving away the DVD? The boogie man?

    For christ sake get a grip.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    Who's gonna come after him for giving away the DVD? The boogie man?

    For christ sake get a grip.

    Its more likely the Gardai will arrest thousands of people here for downloading illegally US TV shows and the latest films online


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    ftakeith wrote: »
    for about 250 of the films I got them between 7.99euros to 9.99euros

    At least my home does not have dusty DVDs around my home and I am not a storage hoarder of DVDs

    I thought you were a Free to air maniac, one minute complaining about skys high prices and how good all your freesat stuff is.
    Now suddenly you want all the new sky products that they offer, spending thousands of euro on DVDs from them that you'll only watch once!
    Sky must love you.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    snaps wrote: »
    I thought you were a Free to air maniac, one minute complaining about skys high prices and how good all your freesat stuff is.
    Now suddenly you want all the new sky products that they offer, spending thousands of euro on DVDs from them that you'll only watch once!
    Sky must love you.

    I actually watch the films many times


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    OK, can we leave this line of discussion now please.

    That's twice this thread has been derailed now.

    Next time it happens, the thread will be closed until the launch date of SkyQ and the person responsible will be banned.

    Ftakeith you are being specifically warned, another off topic, tenuously connected or trolling post and you will be banned and it will be for longer than 48 hours this time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    https://corporate.sky.com/media-centre/news-page/2016/sky-q-to-bring-even-more-entertainment-to-the-big-screen

    more Sky Q content added

    Sky Q maybe a combined Sky Fibre Broadband/Sky TV price


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    http://advanced-television.com/2016/01/25/skyq-to-be-priced-this-week/
    Sky will unveil its pricing structure for its new SkyQ Ultra-HD set-top box during its latest quarter’s results announcements on January 29th.

    Analyst reports suggest the new ‘all in’ pricing model will start above the current £90 per month for Sky’s all-embracing top-level sports & movies bundles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    CAI summary of Sky Q
    Sky Q – what we know so far

    Written on 19 January 2016.

    The perpetuating euphoria surrounding Sky’s marketing of ‘Sky Q’ continues to cause reams and reams of media speculation. Here’s what the CAI has found published when it comes to the ‘unofficial biography’ of Sky Q. As yet the CAI has not received any official statement from the Sky Chief Executive or anyone assigned to the marketing of Sky TV regarding how Sky Q is to be sold or installed - or more importantly how anyone on a shared dish system would be able to raise their level of subscription to take Sky Q. All we know is that one day it will launch in the UK as a Sky TV extra option. This month’s ‘Home Cinema’ featured 3 pages of ‘what you need to know’ about Sky Q. A summary of what was in that article.

    First of all – you will have a choice from a new product line of 3 boxes. Sky Q Silver will have a dozen tuners and 2TB of hard drive. The standard Sky Q has 8 tuners and 1TB of hard drive. The Sky Mini is simply a multi-room device without tuners or hard drive but works in tandem with the other two boxes via an Ethernet link.

    Next – Sky Q is 4K ready – but details are not forthcoming. Sky Q Silver will have a 4K capable HDMI output. One problem here that could hold up uptake will be 4K content – but think in terms of Premier League Football, Hollywood movies and big budget dramas. Sky needs to give BT Sport a fight over Ultra HD.

    Thirdly – A product with all those tuners solves recording clashes. You will have to beware of filling up the hard-drive – but it does start to rival Virgin’s 3 tuners, Freeview Play and EE TV.

    Fourthly – All these tuners have spawned the phrase ‘Fluid Viewing’. Current multi-room using Sky+HD requires multi-LNB feeds. The Sky Q arrangements using Q Silver or Standard Q allows the additional tuners to feed a Sky Q Mini – or even team up with another Mini. Using WiFi or powerline networking multi-room gets a bit simpler than traditional wiring up of TVs around the home. The other aspect is that Fluid Viewing allows streaming to other devices like tablets.

    Finally – You can download recordings onto devices for viewing elsewhere – supposedly the number one request from viewers polled on the subject. Rights issues will hamper this one – but it’s a cool bragging point.

    For the technical amongst us all – this product sees a lot of installations starting from ground zero. The old Sky+ has to go. In a DTH system a new LNB is needed to feed the multi-tuner kit. No big deal for a single room viewer but in multi-room homes all the boxes need swapping. Sky Q does not mix with secondary Sky+ boxes.

    The new hardware does support Dolby Digital 5.1 via HDMI but any Dolby Atmos for future 4K movies and the next generation audio appears to be on shelf somewhere. Also a new remote control emerges that marks the end of updates to old Sky+ user interfaces. New ways to access all this content had to be considered so updating the old EPG and controllers has not been the chosen path. The old zapper is to be gone. Some will bemoan the day the old remote has to be ditched. It became somewhat of industry standard leader.

    What all this means for those in blocks of flats is going to be a longer story than you’ve already read about. As stated at the beginning – we await a Sky statement on how owners of tenanted blocks are going to deal with any demand for Sky Q. This brings us to the final part of the story.

    Sky Q is not replacing Sky+HD as we know it. (Just yet…) There will be a subscription premium price tag. As yet no-one knows what that is. But it won’t be simple (we already know the way pay TV operators bundle programming is inherently complex) so expect a considerable increase in your direct debit if you’re desperate for it. Doubtless the home cinemas owners will go for this where money is not a problem.

    http://cai.org.uk/information/cai-news/892-sky-q-what-we-know-so-far


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    The CAI now have a copy of Sky’s New Build MDU IRS specification but is only downloadable for members - http://tinyurl.com/h2pf4ou.

    The specification isn't available for download yet from https://communaltv.sky.com/property-managers/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    All very interesting.

    2 big points for me would be:
    1) Having to start from scratch as the new system is not compatible with the old (current) system.

    2) Obviously the price!

    Also if recorded programmes can be downloaded onto devices, what format will they be in? A 2hr HD programme in Ts format or whatever sky use to record in would be a lot of data (many gbs)?

    Or would the recordings be compressed into a more familiar codec, like an mpeg4, which would take up far less data/space?

    Interesting times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    https://recombu.com/digital/article/sky-q-hands-on
    During our time with the Sky Q boxes we also quizzed Olsen about those 12 tuners present in the Sky Q Silver.

    We were told that the first tuner is dedicated to the live TV experience at all times while the second supplies feeds for picture-in-picture services.

    Two others are partitioned for streaming to tablets while another two are set aside for streaming to the Q Mini set-top boxes. A further four are used for recordings - meaning you can record up to four shows at once - and the eleventh tuner is used for receiving UI data. As for the twelfth?

    We received a cryptic response about ‘future services’ and immediately asked about 4K, only to be told nothing


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The price is the killer for me. Recording clashes are the number one annoyance for me with Sky (through not annoying enough for me to want to switch to Virgin) but this kit would want to be not significantly more expensive than Sky+HD for me to want to switch.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    icdg wrote: »
    The price is the killer for me. Recording clashes are the number one annoyance for me with Sky (through not annoying enough for me to want to switch to Virgin) but this kit would want to be not significantly more expensive than Sky+HD for me to want to switch.

    I agree about the price but maybe on friday all will be revealed

    I have no clashes for recordings as I only use sky HD+ to record Irish TV, use Sky catch up, and the odd film on other sky channels


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    Some of that CAI info is a tad inaccurate.

    The biggest sea change has nothing to do with hardware and I can't wait to see all your reactions :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    Some of that CAI info is a tad inaccurate.

    The biggest sea change has nothing to do with hardware and I can't wait to see all your reactions :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,109 ✭✭✭The Ayatolla


    The FTA/Freesat option in spare rooms is too valuable to lose unfortunately. That, along with Saorview and a Chromecast / Fire stick and you have an excellent source of free TV in the room.

    I see Sky have updated their Sky Go website too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    The FTA/Freesat option in spare rooms is to valuable to lose unfortunately.

    FTA sat TV abhors a vacuum so to speak so I've no doubt there'll be gadgets/gizmos/switches available to allow the new wideband LNBs to work with legacy receivers.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    The Cush wrote: »
    FTA sat TV abhors a vacuum so to speak so I've no doubt there'll be gadgets/gizmos/switches available to allow the new wideband LNBs to work with legacy receivers.

    Or Sky might have a solution in mind with the mini-boxes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Or Sky might have a solution in mind with the mini-boxes.

    The mini-boxes have no connection for an lnb, networked to the main box.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    The Cush wrote: »
    The mini-boxes have no connection for an lnb, networked to the main box.

    Correct. The solution and pricing structures might not be what one expects. There's been a distinct lack of thinking 'outside the box' (no pun intended) on this thread.

    Yes SkyQ is likely to be expensive but think about it for a minute - Sky have the single box market absolutely sewn up. The top end/technophile/simply must have TV in every room market have simply had the single solution with various bolt ons. Perhaps someone thought it might be time to address that and offer a completely fluid (pun intended) experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,539 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    I reckon this going to intially cost about €300 for a box and an extra €25 on top of the sub instead of the €15 they charge for HD currently.

    Then after time passes the box will get cheaper and the sub will remain.

    Hope I am wrong though.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 24,979 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Hope I am wrong though.

    So do I, but i think a €10 premium on top of the €15 HD subscription sounds right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭galtee boy


    The Cush wrote: »
    FTA sat TV abhors a vacuum so to speak so I've no doubt there'll be gadgets/gizmos/switches available to allow the new wideband LNBs to work with legacy receivers.

    Is there some kind of attachment that you can put onto the "arm" of the dish, allowing the new SkyQ lnb and the existing lnb to both work off the one dish ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,641 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    galtee boy wrote: »
    Is there some kind of attachment that you can put onto the "arm" of the dish, allowing the new SkyQ lnb and the existing lnb to both work off the one dish ?

    The LNB has to be placed at the focal point of the dish, easier to add a some sort of multiswitch to feed wideband and legacy tuners. I assume Sky will have a manufacturing agreement for dedicated Sky full band capture LNBs but can see other manufacturers coming out with combi LNBs for standard dishes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    peteeeed wrote: »

    rip off prices from sky


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