January Transfer Thread - I want! I want! I want!

Leiva · 04-01-2013 9:28pm

Eli Manning wrote: »

Ferguson calls for investigation in to the Zeki transfer. Can you imagine if that happened to Levy or a Simon Jordan? World War 3. If it happened to a Peterborough or a Colchester there would be people up in arms.

What was the rumoured fee when UTd and Spurs tried to do deal?

Was it in the same region as the rumoured £4mil that took him to Spurs this week?

gnfnrhead · 04-01-2013 9:31pm

Eli Manning wrote: »

Ferguson calls for investigation in to the Zeki transfer. Can you imagine if that happened to Levy or a Simon Jordan? World War 3. If it happened to a Peterborough or a Colchester there would be people up in arms.

On what possible grounds? United sold him, thats the end of it in regards to them.

Francie Barrett · 04-01-2013 9:36pm

Blatter wrote: »

Fiorantina have signed Giuseppe Rossi. Hope it works out for him after those two bad injuries.

I bet they got him for a song. :mad::mad:

val_jester · 04-01-2013 9:41pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

On what possible grounds? United sold him, thats the end of it in regards to them.

I presume Fergie is annoyed that Spurs quite clearly didn't want to meet the fee United wanted so they went to Liege and asked them to buy him on the cheap, and that they would then purchase him off Liege in Jan, with Liege making a profit, Spurs not having to pay Utd want they wanted and the added bonus of screwing Utd over.

In terms of transfers, I'm surprised that there hasn't been any clubs from the Premier League trying to buy Omar Gonzalez from LA Galaxy, he is a beast of a defender, only 24, scores goals, a good leader and likely to improve if he went to the right club.

gnfnrhead · 04-01-2013 9:45pm

val_jester wrote: »

I presume Fergie is annoyed that Spurs quite clearly didn't want to meet the fee United wanted so they went to Liege and asked them to buy him on the cheap, and that they would then purchase him off Liege in Jan, with Liege making a profit, Spurs not having to pay Utd want they wanted and the added bonus of screwing Utd over.

Or Liege wanted him themselves at the time?

Blatter · 04-01-2013 9:45pm

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I bet they got him for a song. :mad::mad:

£7m I think.

val_jester · 04-01-2013 9:49pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Or Liege wanted him themselves at the time?

Then, I think it is unlikely that they would have sold him at the very next window to a club who had taken him on trial and only refused to sign him due to the size of the fee they were asked to pay.

He only played 7 games for Liege, and by all accounts wasn't overly impressive.

gnfnrhead · 04-01-2013 10:09pm

val_jester wrote: »

Then, I think it is unlikely that they would have sold him at the very next window to a club who had taken him on trial and only refused to sign him due to the size of the fee they were asked to pay.

He only played 7 games for Liege, and by all accounts wasn't overly impressive.

It happens. Look at Robbie Keane, went to Liverpool then back to Spurs first chance he got. Moves dont always work out.

Look at it from Liege's point of view too. Sign a player who looks to have potential. He doesnt do the job and is home sick. Get an offer of more than what you paid for him. Unless you expected him to turn into a world beater, who the hell wouldnt take it?

val_jester · 04-01-2013 10:15pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

It happens. Look at Robbie Keane, went to Liverpool then back to Spurs first chance he got. Moves dont always work out.

Look at it from Liege's point of view too. Sign a player who looks to have potential. He doesnt do the job and is home sick. Get an offer of more than what you paid for him. Unless you expected him to turn into a world beater, who the hell wouldnt take it?

It would be extremely naive to think that's what happened, I don't really have a problem with what Spurs did, but I still maintain that it is an awful lot of effort for an, average at best, youngster. The fee United were asking for Fryers was ridiculous, and he would probably have been loaned out anyway, so this was a way for Spurs to get him on the cheap.

To compare it to Keane's move isn't a good comparison, its a totally different situation.

Blatter · 04-01-2013 10:18pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

It happens. Look at Robbie Keane, went to Liverpool then back to Spurs first chance he got. Moves dont always work out.

Look at it from Liege's point of view too. Sign a player who looks to have potential. He doesnt do the job and is home sick. Get an offer of more than what you paid for him. Unless you expected him to turn into a world beater, who the hell wouldnt take it?

Nah, when you look at everything that happened in the Summer (and leading up to it) it's very clear what went on here.

Fryers was out of contract with United last Summer. It was clear Spurs wanted to sign him, but they had to agree a compensation package with United (or let a tribunal decide) because of his age.

Instead, they struck up a deal with Liege. They sign him on the cheap (as compensation rules aren't the same when foreign clubs are involved) and then sell him to Spurs at the very next chance they get. That way, Liege get a bit of money from Spurs (and get a player for a few months), Spurs end up getting the player for cheaper than if they had gotten him directly from United, and United get shafted.

It was legal, but clearly a very blatant underhanded way to go about things and I can guarantee you that there'd be uproar on this forum if the roles were reversed.

Red Crow · 04-01-2013 10:30pm

gnfnrhead wrote: »

On what possible grounds? United sold him, thats the end of it in regards to them.

We didn't sell him. He left on a free, had he went to Spurs we would of received compensation. Instead he spent a few weeks with the Spurs squad and even lined out for the Development squad in July and then signed for Liege.

If you can't see how dodgy that is then I give up.

Winston Payne · 04-01-2013 10:48pm

Blatter wrote: »

It was legal.

Yeah, that'll do for me. I just can't get outraged about this. Seems that relations between ourselves and Spurs are pretty dreadful at the minute.

kryogen · 04-01-2013 10:50pm

Eli Manning wrote: »

We didn't sell him. He left on a free, had he went to Spurs we would of received compensation. Instead he spent a few weeks with the Spurs squad and even lined out for the Development squad in July and then signed for Liege.

If you can't see how dodgy that is then I give up.

People can see how dodgy it is, they just dont give a **** cause its United, if it were the other way around there would be uproar over this.

Says more about them really.

I am more bothered by Spuds getting one up on the club then anything, and flaunting it in this fashion.

Blatter · 04-01-2013 10:51pm

Winston Payne wrote: »

Yeah, that'll do for me. I just can't get outraged about this. Seems that relations between ourselves and Spurs are pretty dreadful at the minute.

I'm not outraged over it, I just agree with Fergie that it's a clear manipulation of the rules, rules that were put in place for a very good reason and something should be done to avoid it happening in the future.

Winston Payne · 04-01-2013 10:57pm

Blatter wrote: »

I'm not outraged over it, I just agree with Fergie that it's a clear manipulation of the rules, rules that were put in place for a very good reason and something should be done to avoid it happening in the future.

It's legal yet it's a manipulation of the rules? Ethically there's an issue here, maybe. That's being generous. He was out of contract so he moved to Liege. Now Spurs have signed him. This is within the limitations on player movements within a season.

Bobeagleburger · 04-01-2013 11:00pm

Fantastic opportunism by Levy in fairness.

The man is some mover.

Leiva · 04-01-2013 11:02pm

Blatter wrote: »

I'm not outraged over it, I just agree with Fergie that it's a clear manipulation of the rules, rules that were put in place for a very good reason and something should be done to avoid it happening in the future.

Was he any good?

Did the club (utd)want him to stay/offer improved terms and contract?

How much did Leige get him for in the end?

Bobeagleburger · 04-01-2013 11:03pm

Bebe says hello.

That was perfectly "legal" too.

I'd say most clubs would chance their arm like Spurs did tbf.

kryogen · 04-01-2013 11:04pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Fantastic opportunism by Levy in fairness.

The man is some mover.

He has already been shown up as not the transfer market guru already

Will I Amnt · 04-01-2013 11:05pm

kryogen wrote: »

He has already been shown up as not the transfer market guru already

Yea but compared to what they are used to, the man is a f**king mastermind :pac:

gnfnrhead · 04-01-2013 11:08pm

I hate to defend Spurs but I really dont see what they did wrong. To me it just seems like Fergie is pissed that Spurs got the player they wanted and United didnt benefit. United let him go, what happens to him after that is none of their business.

Winston Payne · 04-01-2013 11:13pm

Leiva wrote: »

Was he any good?

He was ok. Did fine in the Carling Cup.

Leiva wrote: »

Did the club (utd)want him to stay/offer improved terms and contract?

We didn't exactly kill ourselves.

Leiva wrote: »

How much did Leige get him for in the end?

It might even have been as low as a quarter of a million. Certainly it was a nominal fee. Compensation between clubs is lower if the player's new club isn't in England.

I'm going to need the supposed link between Fryers and Bebe explained to me.

Blatter · 04-01-2013 11:13pm

Winston Payne wrote: »

It's legal yet it's a manipulation of the rules? Ethically there's an issue here, maybe. That's being generous. He was out of contract so he moved to Liege. Now Spurs have signed him. This is within the limitations on player movements within a season.

You make it sound like he moved to Liege without Spurs knowing or having anything got to do with it

For me, it's clearly against the spirit of the rules that were put in place. Ask yourself, what's the point in the compo rules in the first place if this can easily be done?

Leiva wrote: »

Was he any good?

Did the club (utd)want him to stay/offer improved terms and contract?

How much did Leige get him for in the end?

He won't go on to be anything special imo, average enough tbh. I think he was offered a new contract of about something like 2k/week with no guarantee of first team involvement, which he turned down. I don't think it's been revealed how much Liege got out of the deal.

DM_7 · 04-01-2013 11:15pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Bebe says hello.

That was perfectly "legal" too.

I'd say most clubs would chance their arm like Spurs did tbf.

United paid 7 million for that lad, I think United did it wrong if your comparing the transfers/saying they are the same (they are not the same).

Also as most sensible posters have said on the actual Topic. It is dodgy even though its legal. The rules should be tightened up to protect all clubs and players. Spurs are not going to get in an trouble for this but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to do it again.

Winston Payne · 04-01-2013 11:16pm

Blatter wrote: »

You make it sound like he moved to Liege without Spurs knowing nothing or having anything got to do with it

We'd have some time trying to prove that.

Blatter wrote: »

For me, it's clearly against the spirit of the rules that were put in place. Ask yourself, what's the point in the compo rules in the first place if this can easily be done?

Well, quite.

Leiva · 04-01-2013 11:19pm

Blatter wrote: »

He won't go on to be anything special imo, average enough tbh. I think he was offered a new contract of about something like 2k/week with no guarantee of first team involvement, which he turned down. I don't think it's been revealed how much Liege got out of the deal.

No big deal then and if anything it's Spurs loss.

If he wasn't rated a few months ago then what's changed to justify the outrage?

I really can't see this as being a major contraversory if the rolls were reversed.
If anything I would see the majority of UTD fans asking why you were paying £4mil for a Spurs reject that wasn't rated a few weeks ago.

Blatter · 04-01-2013 11:19pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Bebe says hello.

That was perfectly "legal" too.

I'd say most clubs would chance their arm like Spurs did tbf.

Don't see how this can be compared to the Bebe transfer in any way, he wasn't out of contract, nor was the club he was bought from fooked over.

Most clubs would chance their arm like Spurs did? There have been numerous opportunities for clubs do have done just that over the last several years, but this is the only time I can remember it being done.

Blatter · 04-01-2013 11:26pm

Leiva wrote: »

No big deal then and if anything it's Spurs loss.

If he wasn't rated a few months ago then what's changed to justify the outrage?

I really can't see this as being a major contraversory if the rolls were reversed.
If anything I would see the majority of UTD fans asking why you were paying £4mil for a Spurs reject that wasn't rated a few weeks ago.

I don't think people care about losing Fryers, I certainly don't anyway. Regardless of how good or bad the lad is, rules are in place to compensate clubs that developed young players if they're to move to another English club when their contract expires.

Spurs bypassed this rule in an underhand manner, that's as clear as day. It's more got to do with the principal of the whole thing rather than losing Fryers. Rules should be put in place to prevent this type of thing happening in the future. Not because United got fooked over, but because it'd be unfair for it to happen to any other club. The rules are there in the first place primarily to protect the smaller clubs from losing their best young players for nothing, they won't be protected if other clubs follow Levy's way of doing things.

Red Crow · 04-01-2013 11:26pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Bebe says hello.

That was perfectly "legal" too.

I'd say most clubs would chance their arm like Spurs did tbf.

What a stupid comparison.

.jacksparrow. · 04-01-2013 11:38pm

Blatter wrote: »

I don't think people care about losing Fryers, I certainly don't anyway. Regardless of how good or bad the lad is, rules are in place to compensate clubs that developed young players if they're to move to another English club when their contract expires.

Spurs bypassed this rule in an underhand manner, that's as clear as day. It's more got to do with the principal of the whole thing rather than losing Fryers. Rules should be put in place to prevent this type of thing happening in the future. Not because United got fooked over, but because it'd be unfair for it to happen to any other club. The rules are there in the first place primarily to protect the smaller clubs from losing their best young players for nothing, they won't be protected if other clubs follow Levy's way of doing things.

Rules?

Something fergie has forgotten quite a lot lately..

Bobeagleburger · 04-01-2013 11:41pm

Ferguson looking for the FA to look into it and the "phone trail". Some neck tbh.

Didn't Jaap Stam admit he was tapped up by united?

Dempsey · 04-01-2013 11:45pm

Ferguson is making some accusation there, who does the burden of proof lie with?

Bobeagleburger · 04-01-2013 11:47pm

#yougotlevyed trending on Twitter

Blatter · 04-01-2013 11:47pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

Ferguson looking for the FA to look into it and the "phone trail". Some neck tbh.

Didn't Jaap Stam admit he was tapped up by united?

Most players are tapped up in the modern game, I thought everybody knew this? It's not right but it's a done thing.

Striking up deals with foreign clubs in an effort to avoid paying training compensation isn't a done thing. I don't know why you, or others, are comparing the two. They are two different situations.

Blatter · 04-01-2013 11:49pm

Dempsey wrote: »

Ferguson is making some accusation there, who does the burden of proof lie with?

I doubt a jury would take too long to come to a conclusion.

Will I Amnt · 04-01-2013 11:51pm

Rarnes all over this like an outraged cock rash.

Dempsey · 04-01-2013 11:51pm

Blatter wrote: »

I doubt a jury would take too long to come to a conclusion.

LOL, wheres the evidence?

If all Ferguson has is what he thinks Levy has done then he'll be facing a defamation of character lawsuit and bringing the game into disrepute charge from the FA :rolleyes:

Bobeagleburger · 04-01-2013 11:51pm

Blatter wrote: »

Most players are tapped up in the modern game, I thought everybody knew this? It's not right but it's a done thing.

Striking up deals with foreign clubs in an effort to avoid paying training compensation isn't a done thing. I don't know why you, or others, are comparing the two. They are two different situations.

I know that tapping up occurs all the time.

I'm highlighting Fergusons hypocrisy over deals. Maybe not a deal that happened exactly like this but underhand deals that I'm sure píssed off fans of other clubs.

Have Spurs done anything illegal here?

kryogen · 04-01-2013 11:53pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

#yougotlevyed trending on Twitter

did give me a giggle

but seriously, look at this from your own clubs perspective, City want Sterling, refuse to pay you compensation so the deal does not take place, Sterling spends all summer with City then at the last minute signs for Liege, and at the first opportunity he signs for City. Giving you nothing. Is it right?

Though Sterling is actually a product of another academy I think? Point stands its not right and its going to be smaller clubs that lose out if something isnt done to ensure it wont happen again

Blatter · 04-01-2013 11:56pm

rarnes1 wrote: »

I know that tapping up occurs all the time.

I'm highlighting Fergusons hypocrisy over deals. Maybe not a deal that happened exactly like this but underhand deals that I'm sure píssed off fans of other clubs.

Have Spurs done anything illegal here?

Then what you're saying is that practically no PL manager would have the right to complain about this sort of thing because they've all tapped players up before and are hypocrites. It doesn't work like that.

It's been already clarified that Spurs have done nothing illegal, I don't think anybody has tried to claim otherwise. It doesn't mean what they did wasn't underhanded and against the spirit of the rules.

Bobeagleburger · 04-01-2013 11:59pm

kryogen wrote: »

did give me a giggle

but seriously, look at this from your own clubs perspective, City want Sterling, refuse to pay you compensation so the deal does not take place, Sterling spends all summer with City then at the last minute signs for Liege, and at the first opportunity he signs for City. Giving you nothing. Is it right?

Though Sterling is actually a product of another academy I think? Point stands its not right and its going to be smaller clubs that lose out if something isnt done to ensure it wont happen again

I'm not saying it's fair.

It's a situation carefully exploited by Spurs but was it illegal?

Bobeagleburger · 05-01-2013 12:03am

Blatter wrote: »

Then what you're saying is that practically no PL manager would have the right to complain about this sort of thing because they've all tapped players up before and are hypocrites. It doesn't work like that.

It's been already clarified that Spurs have done nothing illegal, I don't think anybody has tried to claim otherwise. It doesn't mean what they did wasn't underhanded and against the spirit of the rules.

He can complain but as it's not illegal it's a moot point.

I would consider tapping up underhand also.

kryogen · 05-01-2013 12:05am

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'm not saying it's fair.

It's a situation carefully exploited by Spurs but was it illegal?

Who exactly has claimed it was illegal?

Blatter · 05-01-2013 12:08am

rarnes1 wrote: »

He can complain but as it's not illegal it's a moot point.

I would consider tapping up underhand also.

Tapping up is underhand but generally very subtle (if it's done right!) and it's near impossible to stop so there isn't really much point in complaining about it. What Spurs did is blatant though, and could more than likely be easily proven. I think rules could be brought in to prevent it happening in the future, unlike with tapping up.

Bobeagleburger · 05-01-2013 12:10am

kryogen wrote: »

Who exactly has claimed it was illegal?

Fergie calling for the FA to look into it, stop the registration and examine the paper/phone trail.

If it's legal(which it is) what grounds has he on asking for this?

Dempsey · 05-01-2013 12:10am

Fergie has a moan and all the ManU supporters want Spurs punished for something that wasnt illegal!

Last thing we need is Ferguson, the ****ing hypocrite, giving a speech about ethics :rolleyes:

Blatter · 05-01-2013 12:12am

Dempsey wrote: »

Fergie has a moan and all the ManU supporters want Spurs punished for something that wasnt illegal!

Last thing we need is Ferguson, the ****ing hypocrite, giving a speech about ethics :rolleyes:

Can you show me one United fan on here that has called for Spurs to be punished? Cheers.

kryogen · 05-01-2013 12:13am

He asked to stop the registration? where? didnt read that

calling for the FA to look into it and following records etc is fine, hopefully they can put something in place to stop this kind of flagrant rule bending in future

kryogen · 05-01-2013 12:15am

Dempsey wrote: »

Fergie has a moan and all the ManU supporters want Spurs punished for something that wasnt illegal!

Last thing we need is Ferguson, the ****ing hypocrite, giving a speech about ethics :rolleyes:

You sir are a liar

Bobeagleburger · 05-01-2013 12:16am

kryogen wrote: »

He asked to stop the registration? where? didnt read that

calling for the FA to look into it and following records etc is fine, hopefully they can put something in place to stop this kind of flagrant rule bending in future

Putting something in place fair enough, stopping the registration no. Just needs to suck this one up and screw Spurs over in the next deal with them!

"It is a blatant manipulation of the situation. They tried to buy him from us at the end of last season but we couldn't agree terms. Then they took him on trial, came back from Portugal and said they couldn't afford him.

"All of a sudden he signed for Standard Liege but I expected him to go to Tottenham in the January window.

"The league should look into it. They should stop the registration until they examine it. There will be a trail. Either mobile phones or something. It is obvious to me."

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/alex-ferguson-calls-on-premier-league-to-block-zeki-fryers-move-to-tottenham-3342798.html

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