S05 Ep10 - "Mother's Mercy" - HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS

Akrasia · 16-06-2015 12:06am

_Redzer_ wrote: »

No, no, no. Too tame.

Have Ghost confront him in his bedroom and rip his throat out

Yeah. ghost really dropped the ball on this one

fluke · 16-06-2015 12:10am

The show is at a risk of becoming a parody of itself. I've sorta become detached as to who what 'good guy' gets killed next…it's not a good thing for the show runners to have a detached audience.

Sure bad things happen to good people, but the series seems skewered to convey that it only happens to good people, rather than to everyone. Logic is being put to one side, and sadism goes in it's place.

Sansa getting raped (so recently after the Cersei/ Jamie scene in se4ep3).
Surely after the events in ep 8 this season the men of the wall would've heard about what happened with the white walkers and would've been like…'right, maybe we are better together'
As for Stannis…all seemed to happen so suddenly…he got the financial backing of Bravos, the Red Witch…and then Ramsay defeats him!

All in all if bad death happens because of interesting and logical plot points, I'm ok with that (Robb's death, was, you could say justified). If I just want to see main characters get knocked out of the blue I'll watch Walking Dead.

OneOfThem Stumbled · 16-06-2015 12:15am

Oh just you wait guys... just you wait!

Next year... oh boy... next year: the things we must have in store for us.

First off Dorne! "Didn't I tell you not to go poisoning people!" The fallout between that guy in the wheelchair and the sand snakes! God, the drama there. Hope that Obera doesn't die, right? She's fast becoming my favourite.

Then Sam and Gilly. That will be interesting. We'll dip in from time to time with them; a few minutes each episode. Sam being awkward but persevering. Gilly being a bit of a fish out of water The baby being very much a baby, and quite possibly dead.

Let us not forget Daenerys who will be looking slightly puzzled.. stunned.. mildly shocked... slightly adoringly. There'll be a lot of mixup in her discussions with the Dothraki; and that'll take the whole season. "Drogon was right there on the cliff!" the fans will shriek "how is this god-damn plot not resolved already!?!?" but, you see, it will all be worth it because

Jorah and Daario! This series just loooooves people travelling in pairs... be it Jaimie and Brienne, Brienne and Pod, Tyrion and Jorah, Tyrion and Varys, Bronn and Tyrion, Bronn and Jamie, The Hound and Arya... you get the idea. Salt and Cheese! How COULD THESE TWO PEOPLE *BE* ANY MORE DIFFERENT? "You're too old" "Well, you're too god-damn forgettable"

And finally... Will Grey Worm and Meli.. Meis.. whatever her name is get it on.. or.. not...

War? Why would you need war? Baratheons? Tullys? Starks? Pfff. That doesn't have the same ring to it as love triangle and bubby-buddy movie material. If anything this series is going up - up - up!

MOH · 16-06-2015 12:21am

J. Marston wrote: »

That's nonsense. The way some people are reacting, you'd swear there's been a Dexter-esque drop in quality when there hasn't.

There has for me. I've been trying to give it the benefit of the doubt for the last few weeks, and it's certainly had it's moments, but at least the last 3 or so episodes have been bizarrely uneven.

All through the season there's been some fairly ridiculous coincidences driving the plot along (e.g. Jorah running into Tyrion, Brienne running into Sansa, Jorah and Tyrion being in the first prelim fighting pit Dany attends, Sansa lighting the candle about 4 seconds after Brienne turns away after months of watching), which I recognise probably come from trying to shoehorn two large volumes into 10 eps, but still. It's not quite reached Lost levels of coincidence, but it's getting there.

losing fantastic characters such as Tywin, The Hound and Oberyn was going to be difficult.

PressRun wrote: »

I think it's really risky business to kill off really compelling characters like Jon, Tywin, Oberyn, Ned, etc.

PressRun wrote: »

I do think a big part of the dip is to do with good characters being killed off though.

There's been major characters killed off every season since the first, and it hasn't had as big an impact as this one. Others have quite compellingly replaced them. But this season the pacing has been way off all the way through, and there's been too much time given to characters who aren't those replacements, or who we already know quite well, without really developing them further.

The intricate politics which was a major part of most seasons seems to have been largely abandoned. Again, it's probably a victim of the growing scale of the story, but moments like Danaerys' conversation with Tyrion, the very brief initial Cersei/High Sparrow interaction, or the Tyrion/Varys stuff, were few and far between.

And Jon's death was just ridiculous. "Hi, you know lots of us want to kill you, but your long lost uncle has just returned. He can't be bothered coming to see you himself, so just come out here and stand still while we all stab you. And then, despite the fact that some of us have seen dead bodies spontaneously reanimate and we've been burning corpses as a precaution, we'll all just walk away and leave your body there. With the blood pooling out. Doesn't that witch who just arrived practice blood magic? Ah well, it's time for tea anyway."

Austria! · 16-06-2015 12:26am

Who are the bad people who have died? Joffery, Meryn Trant. Who else?

irishguitarlad · 16-06-2015 12:29am

I used to love this show but I'm afraid now that it has gone the way of the Walking Dead in terms of it's ridiculous, I guess for me Breaking Bad is still number one

fluke · 16-06-2015 12:30am

Austria! wrote: »

Who are the bad people who have died? Joffery, Meryn Trant. Who else?

FYMP

Sleveile · 16-06-2015 12:37am

Just finished watching and I cant help but think that the White Walkers have Jon Snow in mind to join their little brigade. He was getting some strange looks at the end of Episode 8.

Amirani · 16-06-2015 12:37am

Austria! wrote: »

Who are the bad people who have died? Joffery, Meryn Trant. Who else?

Shireen.

terryduff12 · 16-06-2015 12:43am

Good Season for me till the end, surely he told them about the white walkers and what happened. there were other rangers of the nights watch with them when they fought the white walkers also the oath they swore to the nights watch and what about his buddy Eddison Tollett didn't seen sight of him when they stabbed him?

Old Perry · 16-06-2015 12:43am

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Shireen.

She had to go or she would have brought the whole kingdom to ruin. a more devious mastermind i have not seen.

PressRun · 16-06-2015 12:43am

MOH wrote: »

There's been major characters killed off every season since the first, and it hasn't had as big an impact as this one. Others have quite compellingly replaced them. But this season the pacing has been way off all the way through, and there's been too much time given to characters who aren't those replacements, or who we already know quite well, without really developing them further.

Have they done a good job of replacing them? I suppose Ned was replaced by Rob, who was then swiftly extinguished a couple of seasons later. Then they brought in Oberyn in season 4, who shook up King's Landing a bit, but who quickly had his skull crushed before the end. Then Tywin was killed off too, and he's been pretty irreplaceable, imo. And now Jon Snow.

The show, to me, hasn't felt quite as urgent since season 3, when Tywin was running things in King's Landing and the situation in the north felt like it was actually moving forward with Rob. I agree that the pacing is off. Daenerys' story in particular is just running on the spot.

MadYaker · 16-06-2015 12:43am

Fcuk it lads, I honestly couldn't give a toss if the white walkers turn every last person in westeros into a blue eyed zombie. All the interesting characters bar Tyrion and Bronn are dead.

16-06-2015 12:45am

DeadHand wrote: »

At least Stannis went out like a badass. Taking two (much younger) swordsmen with him despite being clearly wounded and exhausted.

Brienne continues her habit of having legends served to her on a plate.

That is such a good point and it hadn't dawned on me until I read your point. She stumbles upon The Hound and the hard work is already done by someone else. She shows up just as Stannis takes a rest after someone else did the hard work. She's like the Rafa Benitez of the GoT universe.

boomerang · 16-06-2015 12:47am

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Her magic makes no sense. She could use Stannis' bloodline to make magic due to some power in the king's blood. But Jon Snow will do just as well?

Ah... But does Jon Snow have king's blood? That is the question!

K4t · 16-06-2015 12:54am

Devastated at Jon Snow's fate - I mentioned previously how himself and Roose Bolton were my two favourite characters; one dead and the other may as well be due to the lack of screen time; which is especially grating considering all the attention that bastard Ramsay is receiving. Ned was right when he said to Jon - "You may not be a Stark but you have my blood" - Jon is more of a Stark than any of the older legitimate Stark children - He had Ned's blood more so than Robb did. All of the attributes that Ned possessed, his general demeanour etc, came naturally to Jon, while Robb always had to work that bit harder at it, having to create and perform the role of "the King of the North". Having said all of that, I hope he truly is dead and that we don't see any resurrection rubbish. It would be great if the show just simply went on without Jon, and gave us subtle reminders and memories of him - Boardwalk Empire spoiler -

kind of like Jimmy Darmody.

boomerang · 16-06-2015 12:55am

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I think the fact she ultimately had no idea what was happening and her magic/god failed utterly to materialise makes her a bit of a dead duck now to be honest.

Thought it did as there was a thaw?

Austria! · 16-06-2015 12:56am

stankratz wrote: »

That is such a good point and it hadn't dawned on me until I read your point. She stumbles upon The Hound and the hard work is already done by someone else..

He was fine before he met her?

Not a NSA agent · 16-06-2015 12:59am

boomerang wrote: »

Ah... But does Jon Snow have king's blood? That is the question!

Arent the starks considered kings blood?

mjsc1970 · 16-06-2015 12:59am

K4t wrote: »

I thought it was Kiera Knightley when the nuns cut her hair and gave her an operation transformation.

Me too

xper · 16-06-2015 1:03am

boomerang wrote: »

Poor Jon, he shot out of his chair thinking he could find Benjen. How cruel is that?

Starks ... Quick tempers, slow minds! - Littlefinger

Deleted User wrote: »

Apparently, she dropped the ring so that next season, they'll know the general direction she was taken... If that happens, it's taking coincidence a million miles too far.

Indeed. So not content with ripping off Gladiator in previous episodes, this scene was lifted straight from the script for The Two Towers. The laziness of the writing is hard to understand given previous seasons' efforts.

J. Marston wrote: »

And also one that doesn't fill me with hope that Melisandre will be able to bring Jon back...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MGg_8TF9g

She seems surprised by Thoros' ability to resurrect Beric.

"That's not possible."

Not so sure. In that clip, she seems to arrive into the cave with Thoros having already been told that Beric has been brought back from the dead. It is the "six times" comment that provokes her "not possible" reaction.

Encrypted Pigeon wrote: »

thought darrios description of grey worm was good. "he is the toughest man with no balls that I know"

The one good line in the episode.
Theon unimpressed though.

Think that's the first end-of-season scene that didn't depict a "good" character in a positive situation.

uncleoswald · 16-06-2015 1:18am

J. Marston wrote: »

That's nonsense. The way some people are reacting, you'd swear there's been a Dexter-esque drop in quality when there hasn't.

Dorne was unquestionably poor (Topped off in the finale with the line "You want the bad girl but need the bad pussy") but the rest has been very good, in my opinion. To the levels of previous seasons, probably not but as I've said, losing fantastic characters such as Tywin, The Hound and Oberyn was going to be difficult.

Tyrion and Varys politicking, Cersei wanting revenge for her humiliation and murdered daughter, the fate of Sansa and Theon (if they survived that fall) Jon's possible resurrection (please!). I can't wait for next season.

Pretty much agree with all of this. Perhaps the weakest season (although season 4 had it's uneven moments) but still very strong, unique television.

I thought Cercei's walk of shame was masterful, I love how the show will take the time to really let this character stuff breath. She went from defiant to vulnerable to broken to vengeful and we were with her every step of the way. We waited so long for her to get her comeuppance and that glee was shoved back in our faces as we ended up feeling sorry for her. And now her vengeance is going to be brutal.

Same with Arya, since season 1 people wanted her to get revenge, but that comes with a price. Be careful what you wish for.

Can't wait for season 6 already. How will Davos fit in now Stannis and his daughter are gone? Surprised he's still alive so there must be plans for him. Oberon's wife wants to start a war obviously and she'll get it, the Dorne stuff has obviously been the weakest link this season but hopefully they will find a way to fix that. I can see Jamie shedding his nice guy image once and for all.

Santan · 16-06-2015 2:04am

anyone spot the plane in the background in dany's first scene with drogon, how was that missed or was it a plane?? maybe a new dragon:)

also sansa left the tower as soon as we see the battle about to begin to get back to her room i imagine, how long does it take to go from the tower to her room as the gates are reopen when she is still trying to get back, i assume the battle did not last 15 mins, sloppy writing

Billy86 · 16-06-2015 2:05am

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

some great reactions

I've never really had time for 'reaction' videos to be honest - sure, with quick youtube videos it makes sense. But I just don't believe that all of those people regularly sit down and record themselves watching television (as much as I do like Gogglebox for the crap that it is, that's a little different...). Even if they do, they obviously are doing it with the overriding intention of over-acting for attention; see man on couch in black t-shirt.

wp_rathead · 16-06-2015 2:45am

All these GoT reaction video's started out with The Book Readers secretly recording Non-Book Readers reactions to The Red Wedding - it was hilarious and was shown on alot of American Chat Shows..

Can tell these people however are clearly playing for the camera, rather sad tbh

mikemac1 · 16-06-2015 6:26am

When Cersei was on the steps I expected her to walk away and the second she was free to send in the death squads and spill blood on the streets. Key Church figures would have their throats slit like Roberts bastards in an earlier season.

Ok it didn't happen but I still expect it to happen next season!

Little CuChulainn · 16-06-2015 7:42am

A ridiculous amount of cliffhangers crammed into one episode. They even had a cliffhanger of two people jumping from a cliff. Hope Theon and Sansa aim for the bushes.

Roar · 16-06-2015 8:14am

I didn't really notice too much at the time (probably a combination of just finishing the morning shift and not wearing my glasses) but that shot above shows the huge difference between the close up and the wide shots of Cersei

BoJack Horseman · 16-06-2015 8:31am

Yeah, Lena Heady wasn't walking named through that street, it was a body double.

BoJack Horseman · 16-06-2015 8:35am

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Hope Theon and Sansa aim for the bushes.

They are dead..... They have to be.

If the writers think people can survive a 100ft jump into a foot of snow, they have completely lost the run of themselves.

Puddle Q · 16-06-2015 8:45am

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

They are dead..... They have to be.

If the writers think people can survive a 100ft jump into a foot of snow, they have completely lost the run of themselves.

I thought it looked like a bank of snow built up against the wall

Puddle Q · 16-06-2015 8:46am

Roar wrote: »

I didn't really notice too much at the time (probably a combination of just finishing the morning shift and not wearing my glasses) but that shot above shows the huge difference between the close up and the wide shots of Cersei

Actually the difference in the hair was quite jarring.

Akrasia · 16-06-2015 8:48am

Right, so my review of this season

It would have been a lot better if they hadn't gone to Dorne.

Cut all the boring pointless dorne scenes out and just have a raven arrive saying yer wan had killed Marcella in revenge for Oberyn and the overall plot could have be exactly unchanged.

I think the reason why there was so much filler is that the writers don't want to advance the plot to places where the books have not yet been. All the cliffhangers at the end are because the writers genuinely don't know where they're going with the story because GRRM hasn't told them what his own intentions are.

I think reek's change of heart was because he was standing there listening to how Ramsey was gonna do the same thing to Sansa as he did to Theon, and this was enough to snap him out of the fear that kept him 'loyal' to Ramsey.

Also, I don't think he was too fond of Myranda and would have enjoyed taking her out.

I hope the writers and George get together and agree on the definite story lines for the next 2 seasons so that we can finish this series strongly. I also hope that there are only 2 more series and that they don't keep dragging this out. If the white walkers don't appear again in the first 2 or 3 episodes of the next series, we'll know that they're going nowhere with the plot and are just time wasting.

BoJack Horseman · 16-06-2015 8:58am

Puddle Q wrote: »

I thought it looked like a bank of snow built up against the wall

Even if it had, it wouldn't have mattered.
Several feet of drifted snow wouldnt help much.

Reek killed the crazy girl with the bow, who fell about 15m into the courtyard.

Reek & Sansa climbed higher to the top of the battlements & then dropped further as the outside of the castle is lower than the interior courtyard.

I'm no physicist, but say, 80kgs falling 25m would need a lot of snow to prevent death or severe injury.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 16-06-2015 9:07am

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

A ridiculous amount of cliffhangers crammed into one episode. They even had a cliffhanger of two people jumping from a cliff. Hope Theon and Sansa aim for the bushes.

Yea, Sansa, Theon and Stannis could all in theory still be alive and Jon Snow could be brought back from the dead.

If all 4 don't die then people dying won't be believable anymore.

Dan_Solo · 16-06-2015 9:10am

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Even if it had, it wouldn't have mattered.
Several feet of drifted snow wouldnt help much.

Reek killed the crazy girl with the bow, who fell about 15m into the courtyard.

Reek & Sansa climbed higher to the top of the battlements & then dropped further as the outside of the castle is lower than the interior courtyard.

I'm no physicist, but say, 80kgs falling 25m would need a lot of snow to prevent death or severe injury.

Not to mention there was apparently a thaw thanks to the fire magic. How was there still all that snow about? And how exactly that thaw benefited Stannis is beyond me also.

Dan_Solo · 16-06-2015 9:12am

Roar wrote: »

I didn't really notice too much at the time (probably a combination of just finishing the morning shift and not wearing my glasses) but that shot above shows the huge difference between the close up and the wide shots of Cersei

I had at least one "uncanny valley" moment during that scene and my CGI detector alarm went off.

BoJack Horseman · 16-06-2015 9:13am

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Not to mention there was apparently a thaw thanks to the fire magic. How was there still all that snow about? And how exactly that thaw benefited Stannis is beyond me also.

Indeed.

Had the snow been feet deep, the massed cavalry of the Bolton's couldn't have been used.

The battle about 1km outside the castle appeared to be in a couple inches of snow.

I'm sure Sansa & Reek are alive.... Its just that they shouldn't be.

Little CuChulainn · 16-06-2015 9:28am

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Indeed.

Had the snow been feet deep, the massed cavalry of the Bolton's couldn't have been used.

The battle about 1km outside the castle appeared to be in a couple inches of snow.

I'm sure Sansa & Reek are alive.... Its just that they shouldn't be.

I was full sure the end of the saga would be Dani and Jon Snow getting together and the dragons defeating the white walkers once and for all.

16-06-2015 9:31am

Did anyone else notice Ser Jorah channeling Dougal from Father Ted during his conversation with Tyrion?

Akrasia · 16-06-2015 9:35am

nm wrote: »

Yea, Sansa, Theon and Stannis could all in theory still be alive and Jon Snow could be brought back from the dead.

If all 4 don't die then people dying won't be believable anymore.

Sansa and Theon aren't dead.

You'd be surprised how good snow is at breaking a fall.

http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/n0115-daredevil-makes-incredible-leap-off-building-into-ground-and-survives/

Dan_Solo · 16-06-2015 9:36am

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I was full sure the end of the saga would be Dani and Jon Snow getting together and the dragons defeating the white walkers once and for all.

This looks like being Brann's job? They showed him warging (or at least viewing through) one of Dany's dragons earlier on. Three dragons don't look like any match for that ice zombie army anyway TBH.

ghogie91 · 16-06-2015 9:39am

I don't know that to do with myself today after being left on that cliff by that last episode!

Like a year away now aswell to go outside and sh1t, might just rewatch the whole shabang again like this time every other year

Penn · 16-06-2015 9:39am

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I was full sure the end of the saga would be Dani and Jon Snow getting together and the dragons defeating the white walkers once and for all.

Same here. Everything else (politics of Kings Landing, war of the 5 kings etc) seemed like it was all going to be largely irrelevant when the White Walkers and Dragons stories came to a head, led by Jon and Dany respectively.

My only hope is the fact that Stannis' red priestess (can't spell her name) is at Castle Black and has already shown an interest in Jon. Then again, we didn't see Bran at all this season, but maybe he'll be the one to move the White Walkers story forward next season.

Vojera · 16-06-2015 9:42am

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Even if it had, it wouldn't have mattered.
Several feet of drifted snow wouldnt help much.

Reek killed the crazy girl with the bow, who fell about 15m into the courtyard.

Reek & Sansa climbed higher to the top of the battlements & then dropped further as the outside of the castle is lower than the interior courtyard.

I'm no physicist, but say, 80kgs falling 25m would need a lot of snow to prevent death or severe injury.

If Anna and Kristoff in Frozen can do it then so can Sansa and Theon :pac:

alchemist33 · 16-06-2015 9:43am

At the risk of asking a stupid question, why did they use a body double for Cersei's scene? And at the risk of answering my own question stupidly, was it as simple and superficial as they wanted her to have a model's body?

EoinMcLovin · 16-06-2015 9:46am

alchemist33 wrote: »

At the risk of asking a stupid question, why did they use a body double for Cersei's scene? And at the risk of answering my own question stupidly, was it as simple and superficial as they wanted her to have a model's body?

Lena Headley was pregnant at the time of filming

alchemist33 · 16-06-2015 9:48am

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

Lena Headley was pregnant at the time of filming

Well, that's as good an explanation as I could have hoped for!

Brancott · 16-06-2015 9:48am

What was the Miranda one babbling about with the bow and arrow in her hand.
Were she to kill Sansa then Ramsey would have her flayed, she seemed to be doing lots of talking & making no sense.

Stannis, the greatest military commander of our time getting ass whooped in a turkey shoot, Shireen all for nothing.
Have to believe that Brianne put him out of his misery.

Many believing that the red witch just rolling into Castle Black hours before Jon's murder is too coincidental, I think they might be right, we'll see although she obviously rode the Derby winner as Davos had left days previous & only just arrived.

Why didn't Jamie turn the boat around the minute Mycella started bleeding ?.
He would have known through Bronn that these poisons have antidotes.
The sandsnakes are the single worse thing to appear on this show, the writers will march these off to Poochieland once they realise the online hate for these characters.

I haven't a single clue what Ayra has been doing all season but nice to see peado boy get one.

The Cersei scene really captured how harrowing it was from her perspective.
The CGI only slipped once or twice.
Wait until she finds out her daughter is dead now too.
I see the Mountain is black now too, interesting development.

lbj666 · 16-06-2015 9:49am

alchemist33 wrote: »

At the risk of asking a stupid question, why did they use a body double for Cersei's scene? And at the risk of answering my own question stupidly, was it as simple and superficial as they wanted her to have a model's body?

There's a clause in her contract saying no nudity. Emelia Clarke (Dany) was the same. They were getting bothered about the amount nudey scene that maybe expected of them.

S05 Ep10 - "Mother's Mercy" - HAVE NOT READ THE BOOKS

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