Power Meter Brands

harringtonp · 05-12-2014 6:08pm

pprendeville wrote: »

Good question. I guess one needs a solid background in electronics first of all and that probably isn't bike companies speciality. I wonder will Shimano ever come out with one, something built into the crank kinda like Pioneer.

What I had in mind was much simpler than that. A manufacturer like Rose or Canyon can offer Shimano groupsets, Mavic wheels etc as part of their configuration. So was just wondering why they cannot offer a P2M crankset or a Stages crank. With crank based PMs in particular this would remove the end user research into what fits their bike.

tunney · 05-12-2014 7:05pm

harringtonp wrote: »

What I had in mind was much simpler than that. A manufacturer like Rose or Canyon can offer Shimano groupsets, Mavic wheels etc as part of their configuration. So was just wondering why they cannot offer a P2M crankset or a Stages crank. With crank based PMs in particular this would remove the end user research into what fits their bike.

Why don't they do the same for cadence?
Or speed?

Cause not everyone wants it.

pprendeville · 09-12-2014 12:36pm

Here's an interesting powermeter survey.

Leroy42 · 09-12-2014 1:19pm

My Stages has gone kapupt again. Second time. Got it originally in November last year, had to replace it due to water getting in last May and it happened again.

While they seem to have solveda lot of the early issues in regard to battery life etc, I needed to replace the battery and the cover is very feable and easily broken.

Customer service is again very quick, although they are asking that I retest the unit one I get a replacement battery cover, but it's still a PITA.

Great concept, works great normally, but this seems to be an issue. Of course I am only one, and maybe just unlucky. i would put the first fail down to getting one of the first production run units, (lesson learned on that) and certainly the second unit dealt with the issues that had been with the 1st unit. But if the battery is only going to last 5 months or failry limited use, then it needs to be more robust.

Ken1975 · 11-12-2014 1:27pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

My Stages has gone kapupt again. Second time. Got it originally in November last year, had to replace it due to water getting in last May and it happened again.

While they seem to have solveda lot of the early issues in regard to battery life etc, I needed to replace the battery and the cover is very feable and easily broken.

Customer service is again very quick, although they are asking that I retest the unit one I get a replacement battery cover, but it's still a PITA.

Great concept, works great normally, but this seems to be an issue. Of course I am only one, and maybe just unlucky. i would put the first fail down to getting one of the first production run units, (lesson learned on that) and certainly the second unit dealt with the issues that had been with the 1st unit. But if the battery is only going to last 5 months or failry limited use, then it needs to be more robust.

Im in the process of getting replacement battery covers due to the fact that while replacing the last battery (after 2 weeks use) one of the 3 tiny plastic clamps on the cover snapped off. The previous battery (the one that shipped in the crank) lasted 40hours tops, so Im concerned that prior to the possibility that me removing the cover there is an inherent fault with battery drain.
I have been advised that if the cover is loose or not properly secured then the battery will drain fast.
So, once the new covers arrive I will see how long I get from the battery. If there is still a problem the shop (in Germany) are telling me to return it to Stages for fault testing, which is the last thing I need - no power meter during the festive training period.

I'll keep ye updated.

pprendeville · 11-12-2014 1:33pm

Ken1975 wrote: »

Im in the process of getting replacement battery covers due to the fact that while replacing the last battery (after 2 weeks use) one of the 3 tiny plastic clamps on the cover snapped off. The previous battery (the one that shipped in the crank) lasted 40hours tops, so Im concerned that prior to the possibility that me removing the cover there is an inherent fault with battery drain.
I have been advised that if the cover is loose or not properly secured then the battery will drain fast.
So, once the new covers arrive I will see how long I get from the battery. If there is still a problem the shop (in Germany) are telling me to return it to Stages for fault testing, which is the last thing I need - no power meter during the festive training period.

I'll keep ye updated.

Might be a good idea to wrap plumbers tape around the battery cover just in case the cover is loose/not 100% waterproof and there is water getting in.

Ken1975 · 11-12-2014 1:35pm

pprendeville wrote: »

Might be a good idea to wrap plumbers tape around the battery cover just in case the cover is loose/not 100% waterproof and there is water getting in.

Step ahead of ya there Phil ;-)

Leroy42 · 11-12-2014 1:45pm

Ken, have you updated the firmware? The battery issue comes from the bluetooth not turning off when you are not using it and that drains the battery.

Ken1975 · 11-12-2014 1:57pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

Ken, have you updated the firmware? The battery issue comes from the bluetooth not turning off when you are not using it and that drains the battery.

Pretty sure that was the first thing I checked when I got my replacement power meter. But ill check again. Cheers

fat bloke · 11-12-2014 5:10pm

Ken1975 wrote: »

- no power meter during the festive training period.

That's the worst of it. Once you get up and running training with power it's hugely annoying to be without it

Beasty · 11-12-2014 8:39pm

Leroy42 wrote: »

My Stages has gone kapupt again. Second time. Got it originally in November last year, had to replace it due to water getting in last May and it happened again.

Heard one Sky rider has gone through more than a dozen Stages - reliability appears a major issue with them

godtabh · 11-12-2014 9:19pm

Beasty wrote: »

Heard one Sky rider has gone through more than a dozen Stages - reliability appears a major issue with them

A yeah but Sky invested heavily in comparing all brands of PM. Picking stages had nothing to do with the big sponsorship deal they signed with them

Jim Stynes · 13-12-2014 11:47pm

No doubt this will be a stupid question but can you use a stages ultegra 6800 crank with a FSA crankset?

Really thinking of getting a stages pm but they're more expensive here than what my mate bought his for in australia.

StevieGriff · 14-12-2014 12:02am

Beasty wrote: »

Heard one Sky rider has gone through more than a dozen Stages - reliability appears a major issue with them

Probably Wiggo throwing all his bikes at the ground...

dancrowley · 14-12-2014 12:20pm

Hey folks.

I picked up a Campag-equipped Canyon a few months ago, and am looking to start training with powwwwwerrrrrrr.

Campag stuff, being what it is, a chainring-based meter will be $$$ and Stages don't do Campag cranks. I've been thinking about a PowerTap hub, as I feel it's the type that's least likely to get damaged. The wheels which came with the Canyon are the Mavic Ksyrium SLR WTS with the whistle-y braking surface (Exalith 2); these are the wheels with the rounded carbon spokes on the non-drive side and the bladed alloy spokes on the drive side. Might you guys know if there's a PowerTap hub that would work with these wheels?
Apologies if this is a stupid question (I thought there are no stupid questions

).

Thanks!

godtabh · 14-12-2014 12:27pm

dancrowley wrote: »

Hey folks.

I picked up a Campag-equipped Canyon a few months ago, and am looking to start training with powwwwwerrrrrrr.

Campag stuff, being what it is, a chainring-based meter will be $$$ and Stages don't do Campag cranks. I've been thinking about a PowerTap hub, as I feel it's the type that's least likely to get damaged. The wheels which came with the Canyon are the Mavic Ksyrium SLR WTS with the whistle-y braking surface (Exalith 2); these are the wheels with the rounded carbon spokes on the non-drive side and the bladed alloy spokes on the drive side. Might you guys know if there's a PowerTap hub that would work with these wheels?
Apologies if this is a stupid question (I thought there are no stupid questions ).

Thanks!

is it a case of rebuilding the wheel with the powertap hub?

dancrowley · 14-12-2014 12:30pm

godtabh wrote: »

is it a case of rebuilding the wheel with the powertap hub?

This is what I'm guessing is to happen, but with the wheels i've seen the lads using, the spoke material and quantity are the same on the drive and non-drive sides. I'm curious as to whether or not it's possible to allow for these differences present in my rear wheel (rounded carbon and bladed alloy)

clog · 14-12-2014 6:05pm

I don't think there is any way to rebuild that wheel on a Powertap hub as the spoke lengths needed are unavailable from Mavic and normal spokes will not fit.

godtabh · 14-12-2014 6:07pm

clog wrote: »

I don't think there is any way to rebuild that wheel on a Powertap hub as the spoke lengths needed are unavailable from Mavic and normal spokes will not fit.

What wheel would you recommend for a wheel build

Jim Stynes · 14-12-2014 6:28pm

I've about 500/600 euro to spend on a power meter. What sort of models/makes am I looking at?

RST · 14-12-2014 7:22pm

Jim Stynes wrote: »

I've about 500/600 euro to spend on a power meter. What sort of models/makes am I looking at?

For that kind of budget you are looking at second hand only. The cheapest new is Stages at around 700 for a 105 crank, and that is left side only. 4iiii Precision is a new offering with left side only @ $395 and left/right @ $745. It is supposed to be on the market in the new year. An initial impression review from DC rainmaker was very positive.

Jim Stynes · 14-12-2014 9:08pm

RST wrote: »

For that kind of budget you are looking at second hand only. The cheapest new is Stages at around 700 for a 105 crank, and that is left side only. 4iiii Precision is a new offering with left side only @ $395 and left/right @ $745. It is supposed to be on the market in the new year. An initial impression review from DC rainmaker was very positive.l

Can't see too many knocking about second hand either! Hard to know what to do. It's a lot of expense for something that isn't necessary but would be a great help obviously. I am training for la Marmotte and fella that is helping me needs me to have a power meter for best results. I am eventually going to race or take part in time trials so I'm sure it wouldn't be wasted. Am I mad in the head or would it be useful.

delynet · 14-12-2014 9:25pm

There are one or two on adverts.ie at the moment. PowerTaps seem to be the most common ones that come up.

godtabh · 14-12-2014 9:31pm

I posted a link on the bargain alter thread about second hand power taps been sold with a 6 month guarantee. I bought one for €500

rochefan · 14-12-2014 10:18pm

I've a campag bike too. I'd love to get the Pioneer powermeter but this is only available for Shimino, I presume it is possible to work with everything up to 11sp these days?

RST · 14-12-2014 11:12pm

Jim Stynes wrote: »

Am I mad in the head or would it be useful.

I have been debating that myself for the last couple of months and have come to the conclusion that at the 4iii pricepoint I could justify it. I have been using a wattbike recently and think that a structured power training programme is the way to go.

Jim Stynes · 15-12-2014 12:16am

godtabh wrote: »

I posted a link on the bargain alter thread about second hand power taps been sold with a 6 month guarantee. I bought one for €500

do you still have that link?

godtabh · 15-12-2014 10:54am

Jim Stynes wrote: »

do you still have that link?

http://www.cyclepowermeters.com/used-ex-rental-powermeters-141-c.asp

I rang them when they had nothing on the site and they had about 10 ready to ship

ford2600 · 15-12-2014 2:33pm

Jim Stynes wrote: »

Can't see too many knocking about second hand either! Hard to know what to do. It's a lot of expense for something that isn't necessary but would be a great help obviously. I am training for la Marmotte and fella that is helping me needs me to have a power meter for best results. I am eventually going to race or take part in time trials so I'm sure it wouldn't be wasted. Am I mad in the head or would it be useful.

Don't see need for sportive cyclist getting a power meter; a very difficult hilly sportive, but still your not racing.

Get one if you have knowledge set up to get best out of it, but with over 6 months to prepare you should be flying for Marmotte or anything else.

Just because there is a technology there doesn't make it necessary. A power meter without the knowledge to plan training and interpret performance is just another gadget for bike.

There is a lot of fruit lower down on tree which is free

dragratchet · 15-12-2014 3:01pm

ford2600 wrote: »

Don't see need for sportive cyclist getting a power meter; a very difficult hilly sportive, but still your not racing.

powermeters are most benficial for people intending on racing alright but it doesnt matter what your goals are really, if you've the money and keen enough interest to work with the metrics a powermeter would help anyone.

Jim Stynes · 15-12-2014 3:44pm

The fella that is helping me is a coach and lives in Oz so he said it would be great if I had a powermetre to help plan my sportive using the power data. I love all the science behind cycling and I am interested in learning about powermetres but I am not so keen on the price. I've signed up for th club time trials this year as well but I am not taking them serious. Once I retire from gaelic I will be taking cycling serious!

ford2600 · 15-12-2014 4:01pm

Jim Stynes wrote: »

The fella that is helping me is a coach and lives in Oz so he said it would be great if I had a powermetre to help plan my sportive using the power data. I love all the science behind cycling and I am interested in learning about powermetres but I am not so keen on the price. I've signed up for th club time trials this year as well but I am not taking them serious. Once I retire from gaelic I will be taking cycling serious!

Hard to mix gaelic football and endurance cycling. Watch your achillies!

How is your weight, nutrition, sleep, stress levels? Get used to long cycles, enjoy them. In spring hit the hills often, do a few long sportives, more hills.

Pray its not too hot in July!

CramCycle · 15-12-2014 5:38pm

Do a few of the early season audaxes, start at 200 and aim for a 400 or 600 before you head over and you will be grand, I wouldn't bother with the power meter unless the numbers really do interest you as there is no practical reason for la Marmotte.

tunney · 16-12-2014 12:38pm

Jim Stynes wrote: »

Can't see too many knocking about second hand either! Hard to know what to do. It's a lot of expense for something that isn't necessary but would be a great help obviously. I am training for la Marmotte and fella that is helping me needs me to have a power meter for best results. I am eventually going to race or take part in time trials so I'm sure it wouldn't be wasted. Am I mad in the head or would it be useful.

Ah "you have to have a power meter" the words of a person peddling generic plans.

Jim Stynes · 16-12-2014 7:02pm

tunney wrote: »

Ah "you have to have a power meter" the words of a person peddling generic plans.

Not at all. He's trained a fella I know from club level to National time trial champion of Oz. I know the difference that my mate is at then a PM would def be beneficial and i am def not at that level. Doing it as a favour for me. He said it would be best to have a power meter as he will be drawing plans for me on the other side of the world but for my level he will still be able to give me something using HR and cadence etc. I

fat bloke · 16-12-2014 8:34pm

If you want a power meter Jim, get a power meter. You sound pretty serious about your training and they're a fantastic training tool and focus. Forget 1500 euro carbon wheels, a pm is an infinitely bettrr spend. Best thing I ever bought, by a comfortable country mile

pprendeville · 17-12-2014 12:02pm

fat bloke wrote: »

If you want a power meter Jim, get a power meter. You sound pretty serious about your training and they're a fantastic training tool and focus. Forget 1500 euro carbon wheels, a pm is an infinitely bettrr spend. Best thing I ever bought, by a comfortable country mile

Well said. However it's just an expensive toy as someone pointed out to me recently if you don't learn how to use it or have someone to show you how best to utilise it. In your case Jim it sounds like your coach is trying to give you the best bang for buck and through his tutoring you will learn how to make you cycling more efficient. If you get into cycling more seriously in the future you'll certainly consider the powermeter a wise investment over an expensive piece of kit (wheels, frames, gro upset etc).

Another tip, download Goldencheetah power metrics software and have a look at some tutorial videos on how to use it. Just go on the Goldencheetah website. The latest upgrade has made it really user friendly I find and its free. Compare that with Trainingpeaks subscription or purchasing WKO software and its a no brainer to me.

godtabh · 18-12-2014 11:28pm

Some one was asking about this earlier

http://www.powertap.com/blogs/news/16221989-raleigh-bets-on-power-in-2015

pprendeville · 19-12-2014 6:33pm

godtabh wrote: »

Some one was asking about this earlier

http://www.powertap.com/blogs/news/16221989-raleigh-bets-on-power-in-2015

They're obviously subscribing to this thread and getting ahead of the game.

godtabh · 19-12-2014 8:19pm

pprendeville wrote: »

They're obviously subscribing to this thread and getting ahead of the game.

Interesting concept. I couldn't find a price after reading the blog but if it was in the €2.5k price range i would have been interested

Kinet1c · 03-01-2015 10:03pm

learn · 07-01-2015 7:56pm

What is the state of play with BB's PM, did anyone get one for Xmas.

bazermc · 07-01-2015 7:58pm

BB PM?

Beasty · 07-01-2015 8:01pm

bazermc wrote: »

BB PM?

Brim Bros Power Meter (I presume - originally thought it was something to do with a Bottom Bracket though!)

Threads merged

Amprodude · 20-01-2015 3:40am

Just wondering is a stages powermeter compatible with a garmin 800 unit? Thinking of getting one for my training bike.

Thanks

godtabh · 20-01-2015 9:04am

yes its ant+ compatible

Inquitus · 20-01-2015 10:34am

Amprodude wrote: »

Just wondering is a stages powermeter compatible with a garmin 800 unit? Thinking of getting one for my training bike.

Thanks

Yes I use mine with an 800, you might need to update your firmware if you haven't already.

Amprodude · 22-01-2015 12:55am

Inquitus wrote: »

Yes I use mine with an 800, you might need to update your firmware if you haven't already.

Excellent thanks.

Stevieg2009 · 22-01-2015 8:58am

Anybody use rotor power meter on here thinking of splashing out have rotor on the bike seems like the best option for me also looked at garmin but some negative feedback but like the simplicity of the pedals

mossym · 22-01-2015 9:58am

why are you going rotor? i have a rotor 3d crankset with praxis rings, and a power2max pm. very happy with the rotor crankset, so if their PM's are the same quality then i'd have no worries. the praxis rings are highly recommended

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