Christians should not celebrate Halloween.

Run_to_da_hills · 23-10-2007 3:52pm #1

Christians who dress up their kids and take them out ought to feel guilty because Halloween is the Devil's night. "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." -Ephesians 5:11

The Roman Catholic Church at that time, decided to allow the new converts to maintain some of their pagan feasts provided that from then on they would be celebrated as "Christian" feasts, Such examples as mentioned in an earlier post would be "Christmas day" and "Easter". For this reason the church decided to call November 1 the "Day of All Saints," and the mass to be celebrated on that day "Alhallowmass." In consequence of this, the evening prior to this day was named, "All Hallowed Evening" which subsequently was abbreviated as "Halloween." In spite of this effort to make October 31 a "holy evening," all the old pagan customs continued to be practiced, and made this evening anything BUT a holy evening.

No professed Christian should support such a wicked holiday. Just because nearly everyone does it doesn't justify it. "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils." -1st Corinthians 10:21.

Ciaran500 · 23-10-2007 4:00pm

Where did you work out that Halloween is the devils night?

BrianCalgary · 23-10-2007 4:01pm

RTDH

We are in a spititual battle.

Ephesians 6:12
12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

So if the church can take a pagan festival and turn the focus ointo Jesus Christ then we have accomplished what we need to. Otherwise the pagan festival will continue. Replace it with a Christian festival focussed on Christ then the pagan festival disappears.

On the dressing up bit. We were taught thatthere was a time that people actually believed that spirits came out on Oct 31. And well you know the story.

We then used it as a time of play and fellowship. The whole fall season beginning with Thanksgiving and ending with Halloween became a period for thanks to God for His bounty in providing us with our food and sustainance. Halloween was an understanding of sharing that bounty.

Again, it comes down to how you use it? Going door to door asking for candy is not inherently sinful. The question is why do you do it?

For many it is to get free candy and that is all. There are covens around who take the day pretty seriously to worship Satan. Then the question is how do we as Christians handel it?

I have told that above.

Zombrex · 23-10-2007 4:04pm

Every year this issue comes up, and every year I find myself saying the same thing...

Halloween is not a celebration of the occult, the devil, demons or any of that nonsense.

Halloween is supposed to be the day that spirits in the after life are closest to Earth (that isn't a Christian idea, as if this needs to be said)

This belief is found in other cultures, such as the Day of the Death in Latin America, suggesting that the notion of the spirits of the dead returning for a short period of time has a common origin.

The reason people traditionally dress up their houses and themselves with scary monsters is to scare away any evil spirits that may come back on this night.

It is not a celebration of these scary monsters, it is not a celebration of evil or demons. The scary monsters are simply used as imagery to scare away even scarier monsters.

Halloween is supposed to be about remembering family members and friends who have passed on to the after life and re-enforcing the belief that life continues after death. Its a holiday for dead people basically.

Of course now it is about chocolate, but that is a different issue altogether.

Rev Hellfire · 23-10-2007 4:34pm

Wicknight wrote: »

Of course now it is about chocolate, but that is a different issue altogether.

You'll take that back !
I'll have nothing bad said about chocolate... chocolate....

JimiTime · 23-10-2007 5:01pm

BrianCalgary wrote: »

Then the question is how do we as Christians handel it?

how about just pay it no attention? Don't do anything with it? I really find this, 'lets assymilate everything and call it christian' quite ludicrous tbh. Seriously, you don't even see how there might be a problem with this no?

Meeeshak shadrach and abendigo: 'lets just bow down in front of the golden image, but in doing so we'll be giving glory to YHWH not their god'. Doesn't really cut it does it. If its Pagan ritual, its pagan ritual, you can say what you like, but you are still taking part in pagan ritual. To coin your own phrase when referring to if its not in scripture, 'its not from god'.

Acid_Violet · 23-10-2007 5:13pm

RTDH, surely the day is what you make of it, it doesn't matter whether it coincides with 'apparent' (might I add) devil worship or not! And what should you make of the day? Fun and diabetes!

Zombrex · 23-10-2007 5:44pm

JimiTime wrote: »

how about just pay it no attention? Don't do anything with it? I really find this, 'lets assymilate everything and call it christian' quite ludicrous tbh. Seriously, you don't even see how there might be a problem with this no?

Meeeshak shadrach and abendigo: 'lets just bow down in front of the golden image, but in doing so we'll be giving glory to YHWH not their god'. Doesn't really cut it does it. If its Pagan ritual, its pagan ritual, you can say what you like, but you are still taking part in pagan ritual. To coin your own phrase when referring to if its not in scripture, 'its not from god'.

Way to sap the fun out of what is essentially a fancy dress competition

23-10-2007 5:47pm

Wicknight wrote: »

Of course now it is about chocolate, but that is a different issue altogether.

That's what all holidays are about in the end!

BrianCalgary · 23-10-2007 5:56pm

JimiTime wrote: »

how about just pay it no attention? Don't do anything with it? I really find this, 'lets assymilate everything and call it christian' quite ludicrous tbh. Seriously, you don't even see how there might be a problem with this no?

Meeeshak shadrach and abendigo: 'lets just bow down in front of the golden image, but in doing so we'll be giving glory to YHWH not their god'. Doesn't really cut it does it. If its Pagan ritual, its pagan ritual, you can say what you like, but you are still taking part in pagan ritual. To coin your own phrase when referring to if its not in scripture, 'its not from god'.

Absolutely 'if not from scripture it's not from God'.

Football isn't from scripture either, yet we still participate either as coach, player or spectator.

When I went trick or treating as a kid and then took my kids out we weren't bowing down and worshipping anybody or anything. We were knocking on doors getting candy (chocolate was always my favourite

). We dads had a bit of a laugh as our kids went knocking, our kids had a great time with their friends and NOTHING was worshipped.

Run_to_da_hills · 23-10-2007 6:01pm

BrianCalgary wrote: »

RTDH

We are in a spititual battle.

Ephesians 6:12
12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

So if the church can take a pagan festival and turn the focus ointo Jesus Christ then we have accomplished what we need to. Otherwise the pagan festival will continue. Replace it with a Christian festival focussed on Christ then the pagan festival disappears.

Christians should not partake at all in these festivals. Satan desires to keep people from the truth. The devil knows that people will not accept him as he is in true color. So the devil has to deceive people by presenting a lie, wrapped in a truth. If a criminal makes counterfeit money, he does not use a crayon. Rather, he uses the best equipment he can afford to make the counterfeit money look as genuine as possible. He has to or no one would accept his fake money. In the same way, Satan has to make his filthy lies and heresy look like it's really the truth, likewise he tries to make all these ancient pagan holidays appear to be "Christian holidays".

BrianCalgary wrote: »

On the dressing up bit. We were taught that there was a time that people actually believed that spirits came out on Oct 31. And well you know the story.
We then used it as a time of play and fellowship.

The whole fall season beginning with Thanksgiving and ending with Halloween became a period for thanks to God for His bounty in providing us with our food and sustainance. Halloween was an understanding of sharing that bounty.

The true origins of Halloween lie with the ancient Celtic tribes who lived in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Brittany. For the Celts, November 1 marked the beginning of a new year and the coming of winter. The night before the new year, they celebrated the festival of Samhain, Lord of the Dead. During this festival, Celts believed the souls of the dead—including ghosts, goblins and witches returned to mingle with the living. In order to scare away the evil spirits, people would wear masks and light bonfires

BrianCalgary wrote: »

Again, it comes down to how you use it? Going door to door asking for candy is not inherently sinful. The question is why do you do it?

For many it is to get free candy and that is all. There are covens around who take the day pretty seriously to worship Satan. Then the question is how do we as Christians handel it?

Christians should have absolutly no part of this at all, it is contary to scripture, Ie "There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer (One that consults the dead). For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD" Deuteronomy 18:10-13.

Also spoken in Ephesians 5vs11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them"

A interesting thing is that the costumes and masks are getting generally more bloody, gory, and depraved each year. Unfortunately, the gruesome and grotesque and the occult are increasingly glorified in our society, not only on Halloween, but is now stretched throughout the year in horror movies, television programs and computer games.

Son Goku · 23-10-2007 6:30pm

Maybe it's a day of evil and paganism,..............

......or it's a day when kids dress up, eat some sweets, watch fireworks and have fun with their friends.

Seriously lads, it used to be a pagan day, now it's just a holiday for kids.

robindch · 23-10-2007 7:00pm

RTDH - do you actually believe that there are charmers, wizards and warlocks, necromancers and the rest actually living and doing bad stuff these days?

JimiTime · 23-10-2007 7:06pm

BrianCalgary wrote: »

Absolutely 'if not from scripture it's not from God'.

Football isn't from scripture either, yet we still participate either as coach, player or spectator.

Oh come on Brian!!!! Football has nothing to do with anything, it has no relevance. That is such a poor arguement. Purgatory is not in scripture, but it has spiritual relevancy, football has no relevancy! Flippin heck.

When I went trick or treating as a kid and then took my kids out we weren't bowing down and worshipping anybody or anything. We were knocking on doors getting candy (chocolate was always my favourite ). We dads had a bit of a laugh as our kids went knocking, our kids had a great time with their friends and NOTHING was worshipped.

As I said, the pagan ritual was being observed and being partaken of, on a day when pagans observe it. Your theory means I can just pick any satanic or pagan ritual, rebrand it, and partake in it. Do you seriously not smell a rat, even slightly? At the end of the day i can use smiley faces and harmless type language about using Ouija boards. 'Sure it was just a board game we enjoyed as teens, nobody believed all that stuff'. In fact, i was trying to contact the apostles. So now, does that make Ouija boards acceptable christian practice? yeh, lets have a Christ board day. It used to be called Ouija board but now its Christian because we only contact apostles and stuf. Sorted. Where do you draw the line. i suppose its force of habit and tradition for most, so its hard to suddenly call time on them. Doesn't make em right though.

Scofflaw · 23-10-2007 7:14pm

Hoo boy, there are days when being an atheist is just great.

amused,
Scofflaw

Son Goku · 23-10-2007 7:21pm

I think the crucial nugget of information not being grasped here is that:
It's a freakin holiday for kids!!!

Seriously it involves five-year olds, with white sheets over their heads and little ghost faces drawn on them, going door to door to get a few lollipops and watch fireworks later.

If anybody pictures the scene above as one with hints of damnation and evil, then I don't know what you're thinking.

hairyheretic · 23-10-2007 7:24pm

robindch wrote: »

RTDH - do you actually believe that there are charmers, wizards and warlocks, necromancers and the rest actually living and doing bad stuff these days?

Living, yes; doing bad stuff, not so much.

Drop by the paganism forum and have a chat with them

Run_to_da_hills · 23-10-2007 7:30pm

robindch wrote: »

RTDH - do you actually believe that there are charmers, wizards and warlocks, necromancers and the rest actually living and doing bad stuff these days?

Absolutly, all contary to the teachings of God. It is a huge business to-day, go to the back pages of any British tabloid newspaper and look up horoscopes, psychics, tarots, fortune telling etc. all using premium call charges.

JimiTime · 23-10-2007 7:32pm

hairyheretic wrote: »

Living, yes; doing bad stuff, not so much.

Drop by the paganism forum and have a chat with them

Or pop over to haiti, or cameroon.

JimiTime · 23-10-2007 7:37pm

Son Goku wrote: »

I think the crucial nugget of information not being grasped here is that:
It's a freakin holiday for kids!!!

Seriously it involves five-year olds, with white sheets over their heads and little ghost faces drawn on them, going door to door to get a few lollipops and watch fireworks later.

If anybody pictures the scene above as one with hints of damnation and evil, then I don't know what you're thinking.

Son Goku, I understand what you are saying. However, as a christian, these festivities have more connotations than this. The damnation and evil thing, would not be my language, but these festivities are certainly spurious as a christian. At the end of the day, if it was celebrated blatantly as a pagan festival, it'd still be the same for children. dressing up and eatin sweets. Its entirely irrelevant though.

23-10-2007 7:41pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote:

Satan desires to keep people from the truth. The devil knows that people will not accept him as he is in true color. So the devil has to deceive people by presenting a lie, wrapped in a truth. If a criminal makes counterfeit money, he does not use a crayon. Rather, he uses the best equipment he can afford to make the counterfeit money look as genuine as possible. He has to or no one would accept his fake money. In the same way, Satan has to make his filthy lies and heresy look like it's really the truth, likewise he tries to make all these ancient pagan holidays appear to be "Christian holidays".

You're a bit obsessed with "Satan"...

Son Goku · 23-10-2007 7:45pm

JimiTime wrote: »

Son Goku, I understand what you are saying. However, as a christian, these festivities have more connotations than this. The damnation and evil thing, would not be my language, but these festivities are certainly spurious as a christian. At the end of the day, if it was celebrated blatantly as a pagan festival, it'd still be the same for children. dressing up and eatin sweets. Its entirely irrelevant though.

Is it? Halloween is not some etheral abstract force that exists behind the day. It is the day and what people do on it. The point is, it is not celebrated as a pagan festival, there is nothing pagan about it. What is actually pagan about it if no pagan Gods are worshipped and the kids aren't pagans?

If we avoid things because of what they used to be in the past, then you'll have to avoid a lot of things.

Run_to_da_hills · 23-10-2007 8:51pm

bluewolf wrote: »

You're a bit obsessed with "Satan"...

I would be aware of his tactics

23-10-2007 9:23pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would be aware of his tactics

Where did you get that from?
Is there even much biblical backing for a satan? None of the other christian posters here seem half as caught up with it

The devil knows that people will not accept him as he is in true color.

Why? And how would you know if the devil knows or not?

bushy... · 23-10-2007 10:00pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Christians should not partake at all in these festivals. Satan desires to keep people from the truth. The devil knows that people will not accept him as he is in true color. So the devil has to deceive people by presenting a lie, wrapped in a truth. If a criminal makes counterfeit money, he does not use a crayon. Rather, he uses the best equipment he can afford to make the counterfeit money look as genuine as possible. He has to or no one would accept his fake money. In the same way, Satan has to make his filthy lies and heresy look like it's really the truth.........

So going on that maybe He faked the bible and all the rest and half the show is following His deception ?

Fanny Cradock · 23-10-2007 10:21pm

Ugh, blatant riling - dare I say 'trolling'

BrianCalgary · 23-10-2007 10:24pm

bluewolf wrote: »

Where did you get that from?
Is there even much biblical backing for a satan? None of the other christian posters here seem half as caught up with it?

Well we are aware of him and his tactics. The Bible does call him the father of lies, the deceiver and other names which I don't have at my finger tips.

23-10-2007 10:27pm

BrianCalgary wrote: »

Well we are aware of him and his tactics. The Bible does call him the father of lies, the deceiver and other names which I don't have at my finger tips.

Could you show me some quotes when you have a chance? It's not something I think I've seen discussed on the forum and I find it odd

Scofflaw · 23-10-2007 10:33pm

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

Ugh, blatant riling - dare I say 'trolling'

Definitely no Biblical authority for trolls.

cordially,
Scofflaw

keano_afc · 23-10-2007 10:42pm

bluewolf wrote: »

Could you show me some quotes when you have a chance? It's not something I think I've seen discussed on the forum and I find it odd

Father of lies: John 8:44
Deceiver: Revalation 20:10
He is also called a "roaring lion" in 1 Peter 5:8.

Zombrex · 23-10-2007 10:50pm

JimiTime wrote: »

Oh come on Brian!!!! Football has nothing to do with anything, it has no relevance.

I think that was his point. Halloween is nothing but a bit of fun. Just because its not in the Bible doesn't mean its automatically evil. No one "worships" a bad Frankenstein costume.

JimiTime wrote: »

As I said, the pagan ritual was being observed and being partaken of, on a day when pagans observe it. Your theory means I can just pick any satanic or pagan ritual, rebrand it, and partake in it.

Football is a "pagan ritual" (it was invented by the Romans). If you partake in it are you worshiping Satan?

Zombrex · 23-10-2007 10:58pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I would be aware of his tactics

How do you not know that Satan in fact wants kids to sit at home being miserable on Halloween, ending up being resentful towards Christianity for dictating that they cannot go Tricker-Treating, eventually leading them away from the calling of Jesus and eternal damnation.

Its a bit like the clamp down on civil liberties after 9-11. The US government was rattling on about how we have to do this to protect US citizens from terrorists, when in fact Bin Laden is probably sitting in his cave with a bit smile on his face as hundreds of Americans are arrested without charge or access to lawyers, foreign citizens are abducted and "renditioned" to countries that torture, pointless wars are started that flare up terrorism recruitment etc etc.

Now I'm not saying that Halloween is the same as Iraq.

But the phrase "Be careful that you don't destroy what you claim to protect" does spring to mind. Satan is the great lie. He isn't obvious. He isn't out in the open. He is not going to make a holiday about himself. But he may manipulate Christian fear around an already established holiday so that he turns Christians against the enjoyment and innocence of a holiday like Halloween. Halloween is ultimately a community holiday, a holiday about the community around you. That certainly sounds like something Satan would want to turn Christians away from, turn them away from the community around them, to isolate them.

He will trick you into doing his bidding.

Run_to_da_hills · 23-10-2007 10:59pm

bluewolf wrote: »

Could you show me some quotes when you have a chance? It's not something I think I've seen discussed on the forum and I find it odd

Some of Satans characteristics and tactics.

Has the power of death until both he and death are destroyed during the establishment of God’s everlasting kingdom on earth (1 Corinthians 15:24-26, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever" Revelation 20:10,14

Able to supernaturally move people "And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence" (Luke 4:9)

Project temptation into the mind "And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, to betray him" (John 13:2).

Strong deception powers to deceive individuals "In whom the god of this world (Satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them".(2 Corinthians 4:4)

Deceive nations "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season" (Revelation 20:3).

Can transform himself into an angel of light "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14)

Can travel back and forth on earth and also to heaven (also shows he is not omnipresent) "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" 1 Peter 5:8 Also "And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it" .Job 1:6-7,

Satans power and rule are limited "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him". (Revelation 12:9)

Not omnipresent "And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season" Luke 4:13

Dave! · 23-10-2007 11:15pm

Scofflaw wrote: »

Definitely no Biblical authority for trolls.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Is it not one of the commandments? Thou shalt not feed the trolls?

Michael G · 24-10-2007 12:26am

This is a bloody nuisance. Neighbours' children whom I don't know knocking at my front door looking for money, and idiots letting off fireworks.

I do not have the knowledge to advise Protestants, but Catholics should go to Mass on the Feast of All Saints and also, if they can, on the Feast of All Souls the following day. Catholics can also get a plenary indulgence for the Souls in Purgatory by visiting a cemetery each day between November 1 and November 8 and praying for them. (Indulgences are among the things the rest of you threw away when you perversely went your own way 500 years ago, but you can still come back

.)

JimiTime · 24-10-2007 1:12am

Wicknight wrote: »

I think that was his point. Halloween is nothing but a bit of fun. Just because its not in the Bible doesn't mean its automatically evil. No one "worships" a bad Frankenstein costume.

Why would i expect you to know, or actually respect your opinion on matters of godliness? I'm not trying to be offensive, but i wouldn't expect you to get my point.

Football is a "pagan ritual" (it was invented by the Romans). If you partake in it are you worshiping Satan?

Football is a game. its not a ritual designed to honour a false god:rolleyes: oh, never mind.

JimiTime · 24-10-2007 1:22am

Son Goku wrote: »

Is it? Halloween is not some etheral abstract force that exists behind the day. It is the day and what people do on it. The point is, it is not celebrated as a pagan festival, there is nothing pagan about it. What is actually pagan about it if no pagan Gods are worshipped and the kids aren't pagans?

Firstly, God was precise about ritual in biblical times. Ritual was important. He commanded his followers to partake in certain ritual. He told his people not to indulge in the practices of the nations, this would include their rituals honouring false gods. TBH, I don't expect a non-christian to understand this. To love god and know what pleases and displeases. I can't in good concience just go with the status quo, of 'sure its only a bit of craic'. I don't see it so innocent.

If we avoid things because of what they used to be in the past, then you'll have to avoid a lot of things.

OK, as a christian, what other things would i have to avoid? Remember, its not things that were invented by pagans, but rituals that glorify Gods. so football and that is not relevant. just in case like wicknight, you don't grasp it.

Zombrex · 24-10-2007 10:09am

JimiTime wrote: »

Why would i expect you to know, or actually respect your opinion on matters of godliness? I'm not trying to be offensive, but i wouldn't expect you to get my point.

It isn't my opinion on matters of godliness, it was BC. I was simply attempting to clarify.

TBH I think you just don't understand Halloween very well.

JimiTime wrote: »

Football is a game. its not a ritual designed to honour a false god:rolleyes: oh, never mind.

Neither is Halloween, even when it was a pagan festival (now it is just a bit of fun).

Again, as I said in my original post, the main issue here is people not understand what Halloween is.

Zombrex · 24-10-2007 10:18am

JimiTime wrote: »

OK, as a christian, what other things would i have to avoid?

Well the days of the week for a start, since they are named after Pagan gods

In fact the early Christians had great problem using the names of the week that we use, and turned to a numerical system that later influenced the names of the week in languages such as Portuguese.

And before you say "That is ridiculous, just because I call the day Tuesday doesn't mean I'm glorifying Thor or Mars" that would be the point that a lot of Christians would use with relation to Halloween, that just because they are having fun at Halloween doesn't mean they are worshiping Pagan rituals or gods.

Dizzyblonde · 24-10-2007 10:26am

I'm a Christian and I wouldn't say I 'celebrate' Hallowe'en - but I always dressed my children up and brought them from house to house - for the fun of it and nothing else!!
They were delighted to be out in the dark, and getting treats from all the neighbours. It was a fun thing to do.
For Christians who do 'celebrate' it, isn't the clue in the name?? Hallowe'en - as I was taught by the Sisters of the Society of St. Vincent de Paul, is the Eve of the Feast of All Saints which is the 1st of November. As with most Christian Feasts, it got muddled with a pagan celebration and ended up on the same day.
As far as Satan and his evil works are concerned, I'd be more worried about the gurriers drinking and causing mayhem - but they do that all the time.

Owen · 24-10-2007 10:31am

I think RTDH sees most things as evil, and misguided, but there are those who think that Hallowe'en is actually quite the spiritual event. It bonds communities together in the spirit of giving, and sharing, and of course, bestowing happiness upon children.

Rev Hellfire · 24-10-2007 10:45am

Perhaps rather than not participating in the Halloween activities, those people opposed to it should not darken their windows and not answser the door, but rather use this as a opportunity to witness for their faith?

Don't some people use this as an opportunity to say give out pamphlets such as chick tracks and other pamplets with and/or in place of candy. I would imagine that those who feel strongly about the possibility of Satan's influence in this event are beholden to just not avoid it but to actively attempt to confront it ?

Zombrex · 24-10-2007 10:50am

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

Don't some people use this as an opportunity to say give out pamphlets such as chick tracks and other pamplets with and/or in place of candy.

I just like to say I love Jack Chick

hairyheretic · 24-10-2007 11:17am

Wicknight wrote: »

And before you say "That is ridiculous, just because I call the day Tuesday doesn't mean I'm glorifying Thor or Mars" that would be the point that a lot of Christians would use with relation to Halloween, that just because they are having fun at Halloween doesn't mean they are worshiping Pagan rituals or gods.

Tuesday is Tyr (Tiw in the Anglo-Saxon version)
Thor got Thursday

Wicknight wrote: »

I just like to say I love Jack Chick

I know, they're hilarious. The 'Dark Dungeons' one has been leaving roleplayers in stitches for years now.

faceman · 24-10-2007 11:28am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Christians should not partake at all in these festivals. Satan desires to keep people from the truth. The devil knows that people will not accept him as he is in true color. So the devil has to deceive people by presenting a lie, wrapped in a truth. If a criminal makes counterfeit money, he does not use a crayon. Rather, he uses the best equipment he can afford to make the counterfeit money look as genuine as possible. He has to or no one would accept his fake money. In the same way, Satan has to make his filthy lies and heresy look like it's really the truth, likewise he tries to make all these ancient pagan holidays appear to be "Christian holidays".

im sorry but thats the greatest load of codswollop i have ever read. The bible was written in 70AD. Its now 2007. Christians have abandoned all that nonsense.

I dont know about your family, but at halloween in mine, we dont turn the crucifixes upside down, play with a Ouija board and listening to led zepplin backwards.

Son Goku wrote: »

Maybe it's a day of evil and paganism,..............

......or it's a day when kids dress up, eat some sweets, watch fireworks and have fun with their friends.

Seriously lads, it used to be a pagan day, now it's just a holiday for kids.

Son Goku sums it up best.

Run_to_da_hill, since you are on the pagan buzz. I presume you dont erect a christmas tree and directions at christmas in your house? The tree is a very pagan tradition.

bonkey · 24-10-2007 11:44am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Samhain, Lord of the Dead.

Could you supply references to where you got this from?

Outside of a Gostbusters cartoon episode, I've never seen an allegation that Samhain was "Lord of the Dead" or indeed a "Lord" of any description....so I'm genuinely interested.

Zombrex · 24-10-2007 12:01pm

hairyheretic wrote: »

Tuesday is Tyr (Tiw in the Anglo-Saxon version)
Thor got Thursday

You mean I've been worshiping the wrong pagan god! :eek:

man that ain't good, those guys get mighty pissed off ...

Zombrex · 24-10-2007 12:11pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The night before the new year, they celebrated the festival of Samhain, Lord of the Dead.

Er, as bonkey asked, where are you getting that from?

Samhain is derived from the Old Irish samfuin, which literally means "summers sunset", "sam" meaning summer and "fuin" meaning sunset or simply end.

The festival of Samhain was a celebration at the end of the summer session. I've never heard of it referring to the name of a god, not least a god of death.

hairyheretic · 24-10-2007 1:03pm

Wicknight wrote: »

You mean I've been worshiping the wrong pagan god! :eek:

Nah, just getting the days mixed up is all. They're both part of the one pantheon.

Wicknight wrote: »

man that ain't good, those guys get mighty pissed off ...

Not that I've noticed. Buy them a pint next time you're in the pub and it'll all be good.

Scofflaw · 24-10-2007 3:19pm

Wicknight wrote: »

I just like to say I love Jack Chick

I hadn't seen that one before! It's special, but then all of Chick's tracts are.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Son Goku · 24-10-2007 3:20pm

JimiTime wrote: »

Firstly, ....... I don't see it so innocent.

Okay, maybe this is something which might be difficult for you to get across. Do you think a certain pagan god is currently being worshipped on Halloween?
Above you said:
He told his people not to indulge in the practices of the nations, this would include their rituals honouring false gods.
This makes sense. However if no gods are worshipped on Halloween, what makes it bad? Currently all it is is a day of celebration that has its date in common with an old festival, that wasn't even about worshipping gods, but mainly celebrated the end of the harvest.

In fact a more direct question. Of all the things that are done on Halloween
Pumpkins, brambrack, dunking for apples, fireworks, going door to door e.t.c.
The only things of pagan origin are the bonfire and the dressing up. If people didn't dress up and didn't have bonfires, would it be okay?

JimiTime wrote: »

OK, as a christian, what other things would i have to avoid? Remember, its not things that were invented by pagans, but rituals that glorify Gods. so football and that is not relevant. just in case like wicknight, you don't grasp it.

Which god did Halloween glorify?

Christians should not celebrate Halloween.

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