DoE testing - The Last Word

Irishgoatman · 23-04-2014 8:57pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

I was thinking about MC's (motor caravans) is it the same for them or does 'the system' treat them differently.
The 30 day bring forward limit as applied to CV's is really out of place for MC's which in our opinion should be treated the same as cars and allowed a 3 months bring forward. It's not as if MC's do a big mileage like CV's
A person taking a MC foreign for a few months can be really penalised if the test date falls due more than 30 days after his departure.

It's exactly the same for CV's as MC's. As I found out. Tried complaining to powers that be without any luck, they just pointed out how the law stands.

To me it just seems like a way for them to make more money, or not lose out (depending on how you look at it).

niloc1951 · 23-04-2014 9:52pm

Irishgoatman wrote: »

It's exactly the same for CV's as MC's. As I found out. Tried complaining to powers that be without any luck, they just pointed out how the law stands.

To me it just seems like a way for them to make more money, or not lose out (depending on how you look at it).

There's no basis in law for the one month rule, it's just in RSA's own procedures.
Sensible enough for high use/mileage commercially used vehicles but a bit ridicules for motor caravans.

It all stems from The RSA insisting on applying LGV/HGV test manuals with a few special notes and exceptions to motor caravan testing, instead of issuing a properly focused manual for what must be the least used category of private passenger vehicles on the roads.
As I said if 3 months is OK for cars then it should be OK for motor caravans

nailer8 · 24-04-2014 11:15am

There's no basis in law for the one month rule, it's just in RSA's own procedures.

In fairness it does appear to be dealt with in the Law SI 347 of 2013 see section 8

As you mentioned the RSA have very little interest in making special rules for MH's
Seeing the state of some of the CV's on the road there is no way they should ever get a cert valid for 15 months which could be 200k for some trucks.
For a MH doing 5k per year its a totally different ball game.

Id be interested to know how many MH's are registered in the country.
I know for our test centre they are less than 1% of our tests so hard to justify special rules, manuals & training etc just for 1% of the vehicles we see.

Irishgoatman · 24-04-2014 12:09pm

nailer8 wrote: »

In fairness it does appear to be dealt with in the Law SI 347 of 2013 see section 8

As you mentioned the RSA have very little interest in making special rules for MH's
Seeing the state of some of the CV's on the road there is no way they should ever get a cert valid for 15 months which could be 200k for some trucks.
For a MH doing 5k per year its a totally different ball game.

Id be interested to know how many MH's are registered in the country.
I know for our test centre they are less than 1% of our tests so hard to justify special rules, manuals & training etc just for 1% of the vehicles we see.

I have to agree with you on this.
When the proposal for testing was being discussed the RSA gave me the figures of, if my memory serves me correctly for a change, around 13k registered and around 10k taxed at that time.

niloc1951 · 24-04-2014 1:02pm

nailer8 wrote: »

In fairness it does appear to be dealt with in the Law SI 347 of 2013 see section 8

As you mentioned the RSA have very little interest in making special rules for MH's
Seeing the state of some of the CV's on the road there is no way they should ever get a cert valid for 15 months which could be 200k for some trucks.
For a MH doing 5k per year its a totally different ball game.

Id be interested to know how many MH's are registered in the country.
I know for our test centre they are less than 1% of our tests so hard to justify special rules, manuals & training etc just for 1% of the vehicles we see.

In law things must be exactly as prescribed with no ambiguity. The Act quoted refers to CVR the C meaning Commercial and repeatedly refers exclusively to 'Commercial Vehicles'.

Interestingly, in our VAT law for a vehicle to be classified as 'Commercial' it is required to "be used for the purposes of a VAT-registered business', not the case of a privately owned motor caravan.
The Oxford Dictionary defines a 'commercial vehicle' as "A vehicle used for carrying goods or fare-paying passengers"

Based on the above observations how does a motor caravan sit legally within legislation concerning itself with' Commercial Vehicles'

Perhaps we are looking at just another example of the many pieces of flawed Irish legislation

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It would have been much simpler if The RSA had followed practice in other jurisdictions and tested motor caravans as private passenger vehicles, those physically too big to be accommodated within the NCT network being directed the VTN network for testing on their more suitable equipment.

Animord · 24-04-2014 3:38pm

Irishgoatman wrote: »

Don't let them charge you more than €93 and a few coppers, that's the set fee.

Never heard mention of needing to produce anything other than registration document. But of course, because it's the law, you will have your driving licence with you. :rolleyes:.

Well I had it done this morning, there was no question about the fee, there were signs up on the reception and the waiting room detailing the charges and Campers were listed at €93.16.

Sadly I failed, but that's another story. :mad:

Macspower · 07-05-2014 3:59pm

Strange one for me.. I had my motorhome last tested on 1st of May last year and got notice of my test being due from my local vrt centre.

However when the test centre checked the RSA system I have no current DOE showing on the system so if I get it tested they will only give me a 6 month cert.

It turns out that last year I got the pass cert from the centre but was supposed to go and exchange it for another pass cert in the tax office but didn't.

I didn't get the van tested and told them I would try and sort it with the RSA first. A call to the RSA found a sympathetic lady but said there was nothing she could do...

Surely a test should last a year no matter when you get it done?

confused ..

Pjwal · 07-05-2014 4:38pm

A lot of people been caughtby that scenario. I do agree with you that it is silly situationand that once the vehicle was tested that it should be considered to be tested but it was not considered to be tested by until you changed over the cert at the tax office and had been pulled over by traffic corps or involved in an accident the law could had summoned you for not having a test

niloc1951 · 07-05-2014 5:04pm

Macspower wrote: »

Strange one for me.. I had my motorhome last tested on 1st of May last year and got notice of my test being due from my local vrt centre.

However when the test centre checked the RSA system I have no current DOE showing on the system so if I get it tested they will only give me a 6 month cert.

It turns out that last year I got the pass cert from the centre but was supposed to go and exchange it for another pass cert in the tax office but didn't.

I didn't get the van tested and told them I would try and sort it with the RSA first. A call to the RSA found a sympathetic lady but said there was nothing she could do...

Surely a test should last a year no matter when you get it done?

confused ..

This appears to be a punitive measure, but perhaps someone can come up with a safety related reason, it also applied to imported vehicles (money making).

What's the difference between a vehicle being tested for the first time after import or an extended period of no cert and one which has is being tested otherwise, if it passes what's the difference

AFAIK it is part of the regime for Commercial Vehicle testing only and not applied to Car (NCT) testing.

Another Commercial Vehicle aspect of testing applied to motor caravans, which are not commercial vehicles :mad:

Pjwal · 07-05-2014 5:18pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

This appears to be a punitive measure, but perhaps someone can come up with a safety related reason, it also applied to imported vehicles (money making).

What's the difference between a vehicle being tested for the first time after import or an extended period of no cert and one which has is being tested otherwise, if it passes what's the difference
AFAIK it is part of the regime for Commercial Vehicle testing only and not applied to Car (NCT) testing.

Another Commercial Vehicle aspect of testing applied to motor caravans, which are not commercial vehicles :mad:

But with the imported vehicles if the owner rings the Rsa after the test, the Rsa will extend the test period to 12 months. If you ever read a correspondence from the Rsa they continually refer to them selves as "the authority" they do believe themselves to be very high and mighty

nailer8 · 21-05-2014 11:48pm

Macspower wrote: »

Strange one for me.. I had my motorhome last tested on 1st of May last year and got notice of my test being due from my local vrt centre.

However when the test centre checked the RSA system I have no current DOE showing on the system so if I get it tested they will only give me a 6 month cert.

It turns out that last year I got the pass cert from the centre but was supposed to go and exchange it for another pass cert in the tax office but didn't.

I didn't get the van tested and told them I would try and sort it with the RSA first. A call to the RSA found a sympathetic lady but said there was nothing she could do...

Surely a test should last a year no matter when you get it done?

confused ..

This may be too late but you should call the RSA again. I have seen this situation countless times in our test centre and they are accepting the previous test date regardless of whether or not you ever exchanged it for the CRW. Even if you have it tested and only got a 6 month cert, ring them back send them an scan of your old test cert they should give you a 1(or 2) year cert. They have a record of every test even if you didnt get the CRW as test centres had to make monthly electronic returns, however the computer system prior to COVIS was pants! Loads of records are missing.
Edit -
I should add however that the test centre cant do anything about the expiry date, you have to go via the RSA.

Seaswimmer · 26-06-2014 11:49am

Quick query.

my DOE is due 4th July 2014 but I have recently taxed the camper till end of June 2015. Is there anything to be gained by not doing the DOE this year as I am unlikely to be doing much with the camper after end of the summer..

Could I do it next June 2015 instead. What are the legalities and implications.

nailer8 · 26-06-2014 12:38pm

You could but you would be illegal from 4th July this year.
5 Points if you are done for it.
Also with all the new CRW certs having a windscreen disc it will be easier for the guards to see you don't have one on display and ask you why.
(not saying this is a problem a lot of us, myself included are legally driving without the windscreen disc but come Oct 2014 100% of CV's and c.50% of MH's should be displaying the disc with 100% of MH's displaying the disc by Oct 2015)

Failure to have a current CRW certificate is an offence under Section 18 of the Road
Traffic Act 1961. Conviction for this offence carries five penalty points and the courts
may impose a fine of up to €3,000 and/or up to three months’ imprisonment and 5
Penalty Points.

Seaswimmer · 26-06-2014 12:43pm

nailer8 wrote: »

You could but you would be illegal from 4th July this year.
5 Points if you are done for it.
Also with all the new CRW certs having a windscreen disc it will be easier for the guards to see you don't have one on display and ask you why.
(not saying this is a problem a lot of us, myself included are legally driving without the windscreen disc but come Oct 2014 100% of CV's and c.50% of MH's should be displaying the disc with 100% of MH's displaying the disc by Oct 2015)

Thanks for the prompt reply.

Irishgoatman · 26-06-2014 2:23pm

Seaswimmer wrote: »

Quick query.

my DOE is due 4th July 2014 but I have recently taxed the camper till end of June 2015. Is there anything to be gained by not doing the DOE this year as I am unlikely to be doing much with the camper after end of the summer..

Could I do it next June 2015 instead. What are the legalities and implications.

Apart from the risk of driving without a test cert, the other thing is that you will, probably only get a 6 months cert if you leave it.

My test was due last November but as I had already put it away for the winter I left the test until March when I brought the camper out of hibernation. I had it tested and, lo and behold, only got a cert to last me until the Novemebr due date so I gained nothing monetry wise. Have a chat to someone at the testing centre would be my suggestion unless niloc1951 has better info on how long a cert taken out next year would last.

Should have added that my camper needs a test every year, so things will be different if yours is a 2 year cert.

nailer8 · 26-06-2014 3:01pm

Normally you only get a cert dated to the anniversary of your last test. So you would gain nothing.
For 1Y certs if you leave more than 12 months you get a 6 month cert.

If your MH is a 2y cert and you are 1y out of date i don't know what the story is, they never issued guidance on that but logic would dictate you will only get a cert valid up to the 2nd anniversary of your last cert.

niloc1951 · 26-06-2014 6:12pm

nailer8 wrote: »

Normally you only get a cert dated to the anniversary of your last test. So you would gain nothing.
For 1Y certs if you leave more than 12 months you get a 6 month cert.

If your MH is a 2y cert and you are 1y out of date i don't know what the story is, they never issued guidance on that but logic would dictate you will only get a cert valid up to the 2nd anniversary of your last cert.

This 6 month certificate just seems to be a money making lark, or perhaps its a stealth penalty for not renewing on time, for which there can be good and valid reasons, for example if the vehicle was off the road due to owner/driver illness or the vehicle was in storage or undergoing repairs.
No one has been able to give me a roadworthiness or safety related reason for its existence.

This simple question has never been answered. If two vehicles are tested and passed using the same methodology why does one deserve only a six month certificate, how does the expiry date of its previous certificate have a bearing on the issue.

joed571 · 29-06-2014 11:46pm

i tested mine this week after being of the road for a while and only got 4 months on mine

niloc1951 · 30-06-2014 10:44am

joed571 wrote: »

i tested mine this week after being of the road for a while and only got 4 months on mine

Like car testing late testing only gets you to the next 'anniversary' date.

My post was about tests of vehicles which were never tested before for example imports or motorhomes which have never been tested since testing became law for them in March 2012 or those which have been laid up for more than a year since their test was due. Those are the vehicles which only get a six month certificate.

Interestingly this 'penalty' process does not apply vehicles processed through the NCT system and I can find no reference to it in any of the Acts covering vehicle roadworthiness testing.
It seems to be a stealth penalty, for vehicles which pass through the VTN system, thought up by the RSA with no basis in law or road safety.

nailer8 · 30-06-2014 12:41pm

The only reason i can see for the 6 month rule is not to have an incentive for people who haven't renewed their cert for say 9 months to wait the additional 3 so that they can get the full year's cert.
We currently have a daft situation where someone who renews after 11 months gets a 1 month cert but someone who renews after 13 months gets a 6 month cert incentivising people who are almost a year out of date to wait until after the year.

I have pointed this out the RSA in our capacity as a test centre and proposed that the minimum cert length be 6 months. That way there is no incentive to leave the vehicle go over one year to get a longer cert. Also giving people certs for 1 or 2 months is a bit stupid. I have seen one guy get a cert for 2 weeks, he had to turn around and put it through the test again the following day.

BTW the 6 month cert for imports is effectively gone, while the software will give you a 6 month cert if you phone the RSA they will send you out a 12 month cert.

SonOfPerdition · 08-07-2014 5:38pm

a bit of a weird question.

I have a 93 hymer a class where the front passenger seat is removed to allow more room for our dog to move around while we are parked up.

There's only my wife and myself and she sits down the back while i drive to keep an eye on the dog (he's a bit of a bad traveler) do we don't use the seat.

My questions is, will i need to refit it for a DOE test or is it ok to leave it out?

niloc1951 · 08-07-2014 6:30pm

SonOfPerdition wrote: »

a bit of a weird question.

I have a 93 hymer a class where the front passenger seat is removed to allow more room for our dog to move around while we are parked up.

There's only my wife and myself and she sits down the back while i drive to keep an eye on the dog (he's a bit of a bad traveler) do we don't use the seat.

My questions is, will i need to refit it for a DOE test or is it ok to leave it out?

My gut reaction is, if it's not there the tester can find nothing wrong with it :cool:
Is it indicated anywhere that there must be a seat in that position.
I assume the seat your wife uses has a seatbelt, I would hope you don't want to see your loved one heading past you out through the windscreen if sh1t happens :eek:

nailer8 · 08-07-2014 6:49pm

Again only a Gut reaction but i would say the same. I don't think the seat will be an issue.
If i think of it in the morning i will ask one of the testers and report back.

SonOfPerdition · 08-07-2014 11:57pm

nailer8 wrote: »

Again only a Gut reaction but i would say the same. I don't think the seat will be an issue.
If i think of it in the morning i will ask one of the testers and report back.

Cheers for that Nailer, much appreciated.

SonOfPerdition · 09-07-2014 12:09am

niloc1951 wrote: »

My gut reaction is, if it's not there the tester can find nothing wrong with it :cool:
Is it indicated anywhere that there must be a seat in that position.
I assume the seat your wife uses has a seatbelt, I would hope you don't want to see your loved one heading past you out through the windscreen if sh1t happens :eek:

Ah, yeah she uses one of the rear seats fitted with a belt. I'm not sure what would indicate a seat must be there. Is there any regulation to specify a passenger seat must be fitted?

nailer8 · 09-07-2014 10:35am

Checked with the tester.
His opinion is that the missing seat would not be an issue in the CVRT test.

He would note it on the test report so that should a faulty seat be refitted after the test he would be covered.

Aidan_M_M · 10-07-2014 10:30pm

Question , if you knew of an MH that got a dodgy test , would you report it?

nailer8 · 11-07-2014 1:01pm

I would say yes definitely.

They are putting lives at risk as well as tarnishing the image of vehicle testing as a whole.

Vehicle testing is supposed to be a level playing field. However test centers who are enforcing the rules as they are supposed to loose business to other test centres who have a name as being "Easy" to get through or worse still testers that may accept bribes.

Even if it was one of my own staff i would prefer to know even if it meant repercussions from the RSA. The sooner these dodgy testers are hauled out in hand cuffs (as happened in cork recently when a tester is accused of taking a bribe and the vehicle was subsequently involved in a fatal crash) the better.

Irishgoatman · 11-07-2014 1:43pm

Aidan_M_M wrote: »

Question , if you knew of an MH that got a dodgy test , would you report it?

I think it would depend on what is meant by "dodgy test". If someone got a pass by bribery then yes. Anything else might be difficult to back up.

SonOfPerdition · 12-07-2014 6:05pm

nailer8 wrote: »

Checked with the tester.
His opinion is that the missing seat would not be an issue in the CVRT test.

He would note it on the test report so that should a faulty seat be refitted after the test he would be covered.

Thanks Nailer, there was no problem with the test so that saved me a few hours work.

SOP

Morgan The Moon · 07-10-2014 10:04pm

Hi All,

My motorhome is due for the test, it is on it's 9 th anniversary. Last cert was for 2 yr's. Will I get a 2yr Cert this time or a 1 year ?

Logically when you read the rules for Motorcaravans etc it will be under 10 years so I hope it is a 2 YR Cert again.

However because mine is over 3.5 ton and having three axles it is tested as heavy commercial. The criteria in the test manual docs does not seem to mention the dates and anniversary rules that were used 2 yr's ago.

Appreciate your replies,

Moc

niloc1951 · 07-10-2014 11:01pm

Morgan The Moon wrote: »

Hi All,

My motorhome is due for the test, it is on it's 9 th anniversary. Last cert was for 2 yr's. Will I get a 2yr Cert this time or a 1 year ?

Logically when you read the rules for Motorcaravans etc it will be under 10 years so I hope it is a 2 YR Cert again.

However because mine is over 3.5 ton and having three axles it is tested as heavy commercial. The criteria in the test manual docs does not seem to mention the dates and anniversary rules that were used 2 yr's ago.

Appreciate your replies,

Moc

Mine was tested in February this year, it got a two year cert which will expire when it's 10 years and and 8 months old.

AFAIK the rule is testing up to a vehicles 10th. anniversary of first registration gets a two year cert.

BTW while your vehicle will be put down the HGV l test lane the test fee is not the HGV fee, it's the special motor caravan fee SEE HERE

Morgan The Moon · 08-10-2014 10:31am

Hi niloc1951,
Thanks for that. That is the way I thought it was. When I called into the test centre to enquire about booking the test they told me it would only get a 1 yr cert, hence the reason for my posting the question. Do you know were I can get the "rule" from so I can quote it to them?

Would I be right to assume that the test centre does not make that decision anyway!

Morg

niloc1951 · 08-10-2014 11:07am

Morgan The Moon wrote: »

Hi niloc1951,
Thanks for that. That is the way I thought it was. When I called into the test centre to enquire about booking the test they told me it would only get a 1 yr cert, hence the reason for my posting the question. Do you know were I can get the "rule" from so I can quote it to them?

Would I be right to assume that the test centre does not make that decision anyway!

Morg

If you read the section Note on test due dates HERE you will see that it intended to advise that motor caravans aged under 10 years are entitled to a 2 year cert.

Morgan The Moon · 08-10-2014 11:50am

Thanks again,

I thought there may have been an updated doc.

Morg

tombombadil · 09-11-2014 12:42pm

hi all,

I recently bought a 1997 Ford Transit Hi-Cube that had been converted as a camper, I had a bit of work done on it but when it was brought in for the test it failed on corrosion to the chassis/underbody. In the "engineer"'s words the chassis is "toast" and there's not a good bit of steel to weld to underneath. They stuck a fail dangerous sticker on the windshield as well, meaning it's an offence to drive it in a public place and, apparently, if caught, as well as fining you they can seize the vehicle and "dispose" of it appropriately.

basically now i'm left with either selling the van for parts or trying to find a welder who might want to give me a second opinion on it, but in the latter case if I were to have major work done on the chassis could it actually be tested again if it's been condemned in this way, i.e. the fail dangerous?

cheers

Irishgoatman · 09-11-2014 2:27pm

tombombadil wrote: »

hi all,

I recently bought a 1997 Ford Transit Hi-Cube that had been converted as a camper, I had a bit of work done on it but when it was brought in for the test it failed on corrosion to the chassis/underbody. In the "engineer"'s words the chassis is "toast" and there's not a good bit of steel to weld to underneath. They stuck a fail dangerous sticker on the windshield as well, meaning it's an offence to drive it in a public place and, apparently, if caught, as well as fining you they can seize the vehicle and "dispose" of it appropriately.

basically now i'm left with either selling the van for parts or trying to find a welder who might want to give me a second opinion on it, but in the latter case if I were to have major work done on the chassis could it actually be tested again if it's been condemned in this way, i.e. the fail dangerous?

cheers

Although I'd be very surprised in no-one comes up with the answer to this, my suggestion would be to give the RSA in Ballina a ring. They're very helpful people. You'll find their number on their website.

Best of luck.

shagman · 13-11-2014 11:30pm

Yes it can be retested, the sticker means they NCTS/DOE can cover their asses if you drive it home after failing. 97 is pretty new for the chassis to be toast, although it is possible if it's been living by the sea. Get it up on a ramp and get a welder to have a look and see if it's worth saving.

Irishgoatman · 16-11-2014 10:24am

Just sailed through another test, the camper not me, not bad for a 1986 vehicle:). Just in time for it to go in the barn for the winter:(, seems crazy doesn't it!.

Pjwal · 05-01-2015 12:10am

shagman wrote: »

Yes it can be retested, the sticker means they NCTS/DOE can cover their asses if you drive it home after failing. 97 is pretty new for the chassis to be toast, although it is possible if it's been living by the sea. Get it up on a ramp and get a welder to have a look and see if it's worth saving.

Transits are becoming very famous for their serious corrosion issues,and transit vehicles as new as 05/06 are failing on the rust and on the latest tester update courses in October the rsa highlighted this as a serious issue and give instructions for thorough examination.

Macy0161 · 24-03-2015 1:28pm

I've searched this thread, this forum and googled without success. Anyone know how far in advance of the expiry of the old one you can get the DOE done? Thanks

Pjwal · 24-03-2015 1:45pm

Ya. It's 30 days in advance

Pjwal · 24-03-2015 1:46pm

Ya. It's 30 days in advance

niloc1951 · 25-03-2015 7:05pm

The 30 day rule is one of the aspects of testing which carried over from the commercial side of roadworthiness testing to motor caravans. There is no arguable reason why motor caravans should not be entitled to the three month rule applicable to cars. Not alone do motor caravans do less mileage per month than commercial vehicles as a rule the do less mileage than cars also.

It's one of the few remaining issues to be argued with the RSA, another being the denial of our right under EU Directive to the simplified and less expensive to get Category C1(97) driving licence to drive campers over 3.5t GVW n

spaceHopper · 26-03-2015 1:36pm

niloc1951 wrote: »

The 30 day rule is one of the aspects of testing which carried over from the commercial side of roadworthiness testing to motor caravans. There is no arguable reason why motor caravans should not be entitled to the three month rule applicable to cars. Not alone do motor caravans do less mileage per month than commercial vehicles as a rule the do less mileage than cars also.

It's one of the few remaining issues to be argued with the RSA, another being the denial of our right under EU Directive to the simplified and less expensive to get Category C1(97) driving licence to drive campers over 3.5t GVW n

I wouldn't make a big deal out of it, I was able to book a DOE for the next day if needed where as the NCT you can't seem to get it's act together. Passed by the way so chuffed

zambo · 26-03-2015 5:16pm

Hi.
One thing I would take issue with is that the RSA set rules to increase their own revenue.My camper was off the road for a couple of years and I had filled in the forms for that,when I got it tested I only got a cert for six months as it was overdue for testing.The tax accepted it was off the road but RSA insisted they would not change my cert.
The really annoying thing is that I got it tested at the start of summer so the test would come up each year just as the van was brought out of hibernation now they want to test it in november when it is back in the shed.
zambo.

knaushouse · 29-03-2015 10:05pm

Hi all,
New here so forgive me if this post is in in the wrong place or whatever.

I took my camper in to one of my local doe centers last Sept and was told that it is wrongly classified on the log book, its classified M1 and should be N1, the lady in the office there let
it through but told me to take the log book to our local motor tax office and have it re-classified N1 as the RSA were insisting on having campers properly classified and i would need it done properly when i brought it back for it's next doe so i did this but was told that motor tax no longer had the authority to re-classify vehicles this was now the responsibility of revenue and i was given the phone no for the central vehicle registeration office at Rosslare, i tried ringing them but apparently the do not answer phone calls from the public so i took a day off work and went down there only to be told that they would not re-classify it due to lack of staff, the would need fifty extra staff to re-classify every camper in ireland and those staff were not going to be made available and further more every camper pre 2011 was classed as M1 and because this was the norm at the time it was not wrongly classified, only campers registered since 2011 were classified N1 and i could go back to the RSA and tell them revenue would not be re-classifying pre 2011 campers, on my way home i went back to the doe center and the lady there rang the RSA
but they still insisted it had to be re-classified, its still not done and i dont know what else to do, anyone else come across this?

Irishgoatman · 29-03-2015 11:30pm

knaushouse wrote: »

Hi all,
New here so forgive me if this post is in in the wrong place or whatever.

I took my camper in to one of my local doe centers last Sept and was told that it is wrongly classified on the log book, its classified M1 and should be N1, the lady in the office there let
it through but told me to take the log book to our local motor tax office and have it re-classified N1 as the RSA were insisting on having campers properly classified and i would need it done properly when i brought it back for it's next doe so i did this but was told that motor tax no longer had the authority to re-classify vehicles this was now the responsibility of revenue and i was given the phone no for the central vehicle registeration office at Rosslare, i tried ringing them but apparently the do not answer phone calls from the public so i took a day off work and went down there only to be told that they would not re-classify it due to lack of staff, the would need fifty extra staff to re-classify every camper in ireland and those staff were not going to be made available and further more every camper pre 2011 was classed as M1 and because this was the norm at the time it was not wrongly classified, only campers registered since 2011 were classified N1 and i could go back to the RSA and tell them revenue would not be re-classifying pre 2011 campers, on my way home i went back to the doe center and the lady there rang the RSA
but they still insisted it had to be re-classified, its still not done and i dont know what else to do, anyone else come across this?

My suggestion is that you 'phone the RSA in Ballina, tel:096-25014, and explain the problem direct to them. I've found that they are really helpful people. Just ask for someone who deals with motorhomes.
Best of luck.

*Kol* · 30-03-2015 10:45am

I would go to a different DOE Center.

niloc1951 · 30-03-2015 1:50pm

knaushouse wrote: »

Hi all,
New here so forgive me if this post is in in the wrong place or whatever.

I took my camper in to one of my local doe centers last Sept and was told that it is wrongly classified on the log book, its classified M1 and should be N1, the lady in the office there let
it through but told me to take the log book to our local motor tax office and have it re-classified N1 as the RSA were insisting on having campers properly classified and i would need it done properly when i brought it back for it's next doe so i did this but was told that motor tax no longer had the authority to re-classify vehicles this was now the responsibility of revenue and i was given the phone no for the central vehicle registeration office at Rosslare, i tried ringing them but apparently the do not answer phone calls from the public so i took a day off work and went down there only to be told that they would not re-classify it due to lack of staff, the would need fifty extra staff to re-classify every camper in ireland and those staff were not going to be made available and further more every camper pre 2011 was classed as M1 and because this was the norm at the time it was not wrongly classified, only campers registered since 2011 were classified N1 and i could go back to the RSA and tell them revenue would not be re-classifying pre 2011 campers, on my way home i went back to the doe center and the lady there rang the RSA
but they still insisted it had to be re-classified, its still not done and i dont know what else to do, anyone else come across this?

Is there no end to this ignorance effecting our beloved officials who should know their own regulations.
An N1 vehicle is a GOODS VEHICLE
An M1 vehicles is a PASSENGER VEHICLE

A motor caravan is a PASSENGER VEHICLE, its correct EU Vehicle Category is M1.(passenger vehicle with not more than eight passenger seats plus drivers seat)

All motor caravans categorised as N1 are incorrectly caterorised
All motor caravans categorised as M1 are correctly caterorised

The mis-categorization resulted from The Revenue not being concerned with the recording of this piece of data, and other data, correctly at time of first registration as it is of no particular interest TO THEM.

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