Floyd Mayweather Vs Miguel Cotto

MD1990 · 11-04-2012 12:07am

will Cotto cause Mayweather problems
Mayweather is treating Cotto with alot of respect

kryogen · 11-04-2012 1:21am

Na probably not

babymanval · 11-04-2012 1:37am

MD1990 wrote: »

Mayweather is treating Cotto with alot of respect

Pretty disrespectful behaviour by Floyd throughout that interview I would've thought? He spent over 2 minutes talking about a football bet? Whether or not he respects Miguel's boxing is another thing...

Floyd is just about the least-likeable sportsman I've ever seen. Complete attention-seeking child, and clearly an absolute mess of a person. He obviously missed out on too many hugs growing up while his family were busy shooting each other instead.

Cotto will need to get lucky. Hopefully he catches Floyd early the way Mosley did, but has the killer instinct to finish the job like Mosley couldn't. Any longer than 4 rounds and Floyd figures him out.

Scanlas The 2nd · 11-04-2012 8:20am

babymanval wrote: »

MD1990 wrote: »

Mayweather is treating Cotto with alot of respect

Pretty disrespectful behaviour by Floyd throughout that interview I would've thought? He spent over 2 minutes talking about a football bet? Whether or not he respects Miguel's boxing is another thing...

Floyd is just about the least-likeable sportsman I've ever seen. Complete attention-seeking child, and clearly an absolute mess of a person. He obviously missed out on too many hugs growing up while his family were busy shooting each other instead.

Cotto will need to get lucky. Hopefully he catches Floyd early the way Mosley did, but has the killer instinct to finish the job like Mosley couldn't. Any longer than 4 rounds and Floyd figures him out.

Complete mess of a person is going too far. He has issues but He's someone who who has incredible discipline to keep his body in such good shape at 35.

keane=cock · 11-04-2012 1:16pm

babymanval wrote: »

he least-likeable sportsman I've ever seen.

i totally agree

walshb · 11-04-2012 1:19pm

babymanval wrote: »

Cotto will need to get lucky. Hopefully he catches Floyd early the way Mosley did, but has the killer instinct to finish the job like Mosley couldn't. Any longer than 4 rounds and Floyd figures him out.

Problem is that Cotto doesn't have that kind of one shot pop to really dent Floyd, nor the speed of delievery to shock Floyd. Floyd will shut Cotto down, and watch, he will be the boss on the inside. Floyd is deceptively strong and rugged. And, a master at using his strength; feet, positioning, hips, manoeuvring, leaning, holding.

MD1990 · 11-04-2012 1:30pm

babymanval wrote: »

Floyd is just about the least-likeable sportsman I've ever seen.

what if everybody acted real friendly & respectfull?
it would be really boring
u need guys like Floyd to help sell fights

walshb · 11-04-2012 1:32pm

MD1990 wrote: »

what if everybody acted real friendly & respectfull?
it would be really boring
u need guys like Floyd to help sell fights

Floyd's main selling point is his 0. His bad manner too I guess.

MD1990 · 15-04-2012 11:51am

walshb · 15-04-2012 12:22pm

MD1990 wrote: »

Brilliant, saves me going looking for it!

makl · 15-04-2012 1:02pm

walshb wrote: »

Brilliant, saves me going looking for it!

ditto, nice one. just watched first minute, mayweather is some c**t alright!

Henno30 · 16-04-2012 12:33am

MD1990 wrote: »

what if everybody acted real friendly & respectfull?
it would be really boring
u need guys like Floyd to help sell fights

I agree that Floyd's behaviour helps sell the fight, but it isn't the case that there are only two personalities in the world, the nice guy and the complete wanker. FightCamp 360 just shows human beings without trying as hard as 24/7 does and it's twice as interesting as a show. 24/7 tries to lay it on too thick.

In any case, Pedro Diaz is a welcome addition to to the series. He seems somewhat more cerebral than fifty cent.

eagle eye · 17-04-2012 2:25pm

babymanval wrote: »

Pretty disrespectful behaviour by Floyd throughout that interview I would've thought? He spent over 2 minutes talking about a football bet? Whether or not he respects Miguel's boxing is another thing...

Floyd is just about the least-likeable sportsman I've ever seen. Complete attention-seeking child, and clearly an absolute mess of a person. He obviously missed out on too many hugs growing up while his family were busy shooting each other instead.

Cotto will need to get lucky. Hopefully he catches Floyd early the way Mosley did, but has the killer instinct to finish the job like Mosley couldn't. Any longer than 4 rounds and Floyd figures him out.

Firstly, it was 1 minute not 2. Secondly, he has a public persona that is purposefully that way to paint him as cocky to ensure those that don't like him will also watch a fight hoping he loses.

What I don't like is people who get so personal with their hate like you.

babymanval · 17-04-2012 6:49pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Firstly, it was 1 minute not 2. Secondly, he has a public persona that is purposefully that way to paint him as cocky to ensure those that don't like him will also watch a fight hoping he loses.

What I don't like is people who get so personal with their hate like you.

Who cares how long, he held up the interview for his trivial childish bullsh*t on two occasions... What I don't like is blind faith Floyd fanboys who will follow a sportsman with all of the blindly devout vehemence of a religious extremist, when he's clearly an awful human being... FFS the man (Word "man" used generously) is going to jail for beating the sh*te out of his missus in front of her kids. Are you actually serious? Sorry, but I'm justified in my "personal hate" towards such a person. Tell me otherwise.

Henno30 · 17-04-2012 7:14pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Firstly, it was 1 minute not 2. Secondly, he has a public persona that is purposefully that way to paint him as cocky to ensure those that don't like him will also watch a fight hoping he loses.

What I don't like is people who get so personal with their hate like you.

If someone acts like a complete cu*t, people shouldn't have to say "oh it's ok, because he's making money out of it." What kind of crazy logic is that? I fully agree that it's exaggerated for effect but that doesn't mean people should have to put up with it. Did it make any difference to Joe Frazier's kids when Ali called their father a white man's negro in order to promote their fights? Frazier and his family still had to live with that slur.

Yes Mayweather does what he does to sell fights, but his behaviour is still repulsive to most people regardless of why he does it. He profits from this reaction, so he also has to pay the price for it. And that price is that the public loathes him, as reflected by the reluctance of sponsors to go anywhere near him because his name is poison.

handsomecake · 17-04-2012 10:15pm

babymanval wrote: »

Who cares how long, he held up the interview for his trivial childish bullsh*t on two occasions... What I don't like is blind faith Floyd fanboys who will follow a sportsman with all of the blindly devout vehemence of a religious extremist, when he's clearly an awful human being... FFS the man (Word "man" used generously) is going to jail for beating the sh*te out of his missus in front of her kids. Are you actually serious? Sorry, but I'm justified in my "personal hate" towards such a person. Tell me otherwise.

haters gonna hate

#moneyteam

RiseToTheTop · 17-04-2012 11:59pm

This is really a hard fight to judge.

Mayweather is old, but Cotto has been in more wars. Does Cotto have more in the tank than Mayweather? That is a big question.

Also, I don't agree that if the fight goes past round 4/5 the tide will go towards Mayweather. IMO Cotto can put the pressure on Money for all 12 rounds, winning points.

Henno30 · 18-04-2012 12:22am

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

This is really a hard fight to judge.

Mayweather is old, but Cotto has been in more wars. Does Cotto have more in the tank than Mayweather? That is a big question.

Also, I don't agree that if the fight goes past round 4/5 the tide will go towards Mayweather. IMO Cotto can put the pressure on Money for all 12 rounds, winning points.

I don't know if he can. Floyd will start to lose the physical edge at some point but there has been nothing to date to suggest that this is near at hand. While his commitment to conditioning is trumpeted for the psychological advantage it can give, there's no doubt that he's still in excellent shape. When comparing him with Cotto you have to take wars into account and Floyd has never had any.

In my opinion it will depend on just how resourceful and adaptable Miguel Cotto can be. If he's too eager to exchange, Floyd's handspeed will tell massively and he'll get cut up. The fact that he likes to land bombs makes this all the more likely. The exchanges are going to have to be carefully selected and he'll have to make them count. A couple of clean shots against the ropes, two or three times a round, and controlled pressure for the rest of it might work for him. Can he do anything more spectacular than that? Maybe, but I won't hold my breath.

walshb · 18-04-2012 6:22pm

I hear there's two PPV events on May 5th. One is Cotto-Mayweather and the other, Merchant-Mayweather. Larry's been assigned to do post fight ring interviews.:)

Henno30 · 18-04-2012 6:36pm

walshb wrote: »

I hear there's two PPV events on May 5th. One is Cotto-Mayweather and the other, Merchant-Mayweather. Larry's been assigned to do post fight ring interviews.:)

That's gas. I would have expected them to put Kellerman on the interviews. On the off-chance that Floyd loses it'll be an opportunity missed, that aside it should add to the entertainment.

Spazdarn · 18-04-2012 6:50pm

Henno30 wrote: »

That's gas. I would have expected them to put Kellerman on the interviews. On the off-chance that Floyd loses it'll be an opportunity missed, that aside it should add to the entertainment.

Even if he wins it's an opportunity lost to talk about where he goes from there, Merchant is licking his ass now, praising him, in the hope he'll get that interview but I don't see it happening

Henno30 · 18-04-2012 7:01pm

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Even if he wins it's an opportunity lost to talk about where he goes from there, Merchant is licking his ass now, praising him, in the hope he'll get that interview but I don't see it happening

He's already said he's going to fight three or four more times so we won't be missing too much on that front. Probably going to be facing one of the younger guys at 147, or else Canelo or Sergio at 154.

makl · 18-04-2012 8:01pm

RiseToTheTop wrote: »

This is really a hard fight to judge.

Mayweather is old, but Cotto has been in more wars. Does Cotto have more in the tank than Mayweather? That is a big question.

Also, I don't agree that if the fight goes past round 4/5 the tide will go towards Mayweather. IMO Cotto can put the pressure on Money for all 12 rounds, winning points.

Id like to think this is right but floyds speed will be too much for cotto, the more cotto pushes on as the fight goes on, the more floyd will pick him off. it wont be a war as cotto hopes.

in fairness to floyd he seems to be giving a lot more respect to cotto than ive seen in any other prefight build up

Pabzzz · 18-04-2012 8:22pm

Floyd already said on 24/7 that he won't be doing an interview with Merchant!

walshb · 18-04-2012 8:48pm

Henno30 wrote: »

That's gas. I would have expected them to put Kellerman on the interviews. On the off-chance that Floyd loses it'll be an opportunity missed, that aside it should add to the entertainment.

Kellerman is on for Pacquiao-Bradley!

MD1990 · 21-04-2012 11:00am

MD1990 · 22-04-2012 10:06pm

Muzi5434 · 23-04-2012 12:24pm

I know it's a bit early but would anyone know if skysports would be showing the fight?

walshb · 23-04-2012 1:16pm

Muzi5434 wrote: »

I know it's a bit early but would anyone know if skysports would be showing the fight?

As far as I know Sky will not be covering this fight. BoxNation will cover it.

Muzi5434 · 23-04-2012 2:22pm

walshb wrote: »

As far as I know Sky will not be covering this fight. BoxNation will cover it.

Cool, thanks for that. Do you know if HBO have an online thing where you can buy and stream online in HD?

walshb · 23-04-2012 2:28pm

Muzi5434 wrote: »

Cool, thanks for that. Do you know if HBO have an online thing where you can buy and stream online in HD?

I would be surprised if HBO did not have this service on offer to the public. I guess a visit to their website may help. Don't have the time at the moment to check. Hope it's there for you. I will be getting it on BoxNation.

Muzi5434 · 23-04-2012 2:35pm

walshb wrote: »

I would be surprised if HBO did not have this service on offer to the public. I guess a visit to their website may help. Don't have the time at the moment to check. Hope it's there for you. I will be getting it on BoxNation.

Just checked it there but you have to be within the 50 states to avail the service. It's HBOgo. I wouldn't mind watching it on BoxNation but I don't like there commentary

Pabzzz · 24-04-2012 11:29am

Muzi5434 wrote: »

Cool, thanks for that. Do you know if HBO have an online thing where you can buy and stream online in HD?

Any of you guys ever use the likes of Flash Sport Streams or Live Online Footy for PPV streams?....Something like 7 euro for a month which seems pretty good as you get all the sky sports etc. Don't really fancy trowling the interwebz looking for a stream of this fight, then find a stream and then it stalls. Story of my life at 4am on a big fight night :cool:

cowzerp · 24-04-2012 11:35am

I don't understand why people don't just get Boxnation, Fair play to them getting this fight and showing plenty of good Boxing.

Spazdarn · 24-04-2012 11:36am

Pabzzz wrote: »

Any of you guys ever use the likes of Flash Sport Streams or Live Online Footy for PPV streams?....Something like 7 euro for a month which seems pretty good as you get all the sky sports etc. Don't really fancy trowling the interwebz looking for a stream of this fight, then find a stream and then it stalls. Story of my life at 4am on a big fight night :cool:

Had flash sports but it got dodgy enough for a while there, with none of the matches being shown properly. Don't know if the situation has improved.

Pabzzz · 24-04-2012 11:53am

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Had flash sports but it got dodgy enough for a while there, with none of the matches being shown properly. Don't know if the situation has improved.

None of the matches being shown properly..as in they were really laggy and un-watchable?

MD1990 · 24-04-2012 1:24pm

cowzerp wrote: »

I don't understand why people don't just get Boxnation, Fair play to them getting this fight and showing plenty of good Boxing.

there coverage is pretty poor though
they had Richard Keyes presenting it once when it was on freeview & he didn't have a clue about boxing
plus the had Buncy the most annoying man on tv

Tom Cruise · 24-04-2012 1:26pm

I hope Mayweather and Packman get knocked out as they have not got into the ring with each other.I dont know who is to blame for that but its a disgrace.

walshb · 24-04-2012 1:28pm

Tom Cruise wrote: »

I hope Mayweather and Packman get knocked out as they have not got into the ring with each other.I dont know who is to blame for that but its a disgrace.

You know, both losing wouldn't upset me in the slightest. I think you're onto something here.

walshb · 24-04-2012 1:29pm

MD1990 wrote: »

there coverage is pretty poor though
they had Richard Keyes presenting it once when it was on freeview & he didn't have a clue about boxing
plus the had Buncy the most annoying man on tv

It's not that bad, not bad enough to refuse to get it in. I mean, you are there to watch the fight, sometimes the commentary may not be to your liking, but surely it's bearable enough for you to enjoy the fight? I like Steve Bunce. Full of passion. Yes, at times OTT, but still brings passion.

cowzerp · 24-04-2012 1:38pm

walshb wrote: »

It's not that bad, not bad enough to refuse to get it in. I mean, you are there to watch the fight, sometimes the commentary may not be to your liking, but surely it's bearabl enough for you to enjoy the fight? I like Steve Bunce. Full of passion. Yes, at times OTT, but still brings passion.

Plus you can always hit mute

walshb · 24-04-2012 1:42pm

Yes, you coud hit the mute. But, I will put up with the possible bad commentary so as I can at least hear the crowd, the oohs and aaahs, and the punches. A fight on mute is worse to me than bad commentary.

Pabzzz · 24-04-2012 3:06pm

walshb wrote: »

Yes, you coud hit the mute. But, I will put up with the possible bad commentary so as I can at least hear the crowd, the oohs and aaahs, and the punches. A fight on mute is worse to me than bad commentary.

The oohs and ahhs make it so much more exciting!..I could never watch a fight on mute.

Just remembered these punches. Serious hits

babymanval · 24-04-2012 4:10pm

Jesus, we get fairly slim pickings this side of the Atlantic for commentary/production. Doesn't that boxnation sh!te look like it transmits from some lads shed in about 116p quality, with almost unlistenable commentary? Jim Watt is just as bad: "2 Clean puncheeeeeeeeeeees!".

Ugh, that clip of May/Mosley rd 2. still gets me excited/disappointed. If Shane had just taken a step back and come forward 2 or 3 more times in the fashion that caught Floyd, he would've put him away. He said as much afterwards, hindsight though eh. It was as if his own legs went from adrenaline dump from the achieving the almost impossible and rocking Floyd.

walshb · 24-04-2012 4:14pm

babymanval wrote: »

Ugh, that clip of May/Mosley rd 2. still gets me excited/disappointed. If Shane had just taken a step back and come forward 2 or 3 more times in the fashion that caught Floyd, he would've put him away. He said as much afterwards, hindsight though eh. It was as if his own legs went from adrenaline dump from the achieving the almost impossible and rocking Floyd.

To me they were just two good shots. Shots that woke Mayweather up. Mosley had very little to offer after them. Money took them and recovered quite quickly, even finishing the rd the stronger. Money knew then that Mosley wasn't going to beat him.

Henno30 · 24-04-2012 11:53pm

babymanval wrote: »

Ugh, that clip of May/Mosley rd 2. still gets me excited/disappointed.

Yeah I hear you. Makes you think just how incredible it would be to see him go down. That's not out of hatred for Floyd (well maybe a little), but more out of the incredible sporting drama it would provide. We live in hope.

walshb · 27-04-2012 7:06pm

I just did a wee bit of PPV research on Manny and Floyd

Manny has had 7 PPV fights generating 7.99 million buys, or an average of 1.14 million buys per fight

Floyd has had 5 PPV fights generating 7.2 million buys, or an average of 1.4 million per fight.

Now, averages see Floyd being the bigger seller. But, recent fights, as in their last fight shows Manny outsold Floyd by 1.45 to 1.25 million buys.

Remove Oscar, the cash cow, and Manny generates a total of 6.74 million buys, an average of 1.12 million buys per fight; Floyd generates 4.8 million buys, an average of 1.2 million buys per fight.

These numbers are almost identical. Floyd was on HBO recently doing an interview and using his superior selling power to explain that he deserves the bigger share. Baloney!

The real PPV numbers should be from recent fights. Why go back to 2007 and 2008 and add in Oscar? I did, just to include all the details.

If there was a noticeable difference in averages, or in their last fight PPV numbers I could understand somewhat.

Totals from their last two fights: Manny generates 2.79 million, an average of 1.395 million buys; Floyd generates 2.65 million buys, an average of 1.325 million buys

Henno30 · 27-04-2012 10:00pm

Where are the numbers from? I thought PPV numbers aren't released?

walshb · 28-04-2012 6:50pm

Henno30 wrote: »

Where are the numbers from? I thought PPV numbers aren't released?

They do release official PPV sales for PPV boxing events. I pulled these results from wikipedia, and after cross referencing they check out.

barney4001 · 28-04-2012 9:28pm

I got a right few quid at Punchestown,so im going to bet on Cotto to win this
@4/1 with paddy power and have a saver on the draw @33/1

Floyd Mayweather Vs Miguel Cotto

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