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Irish (Leaving Cert 2012)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    Beckyy wrote: »
    Can you tell me what you wrote about for the President one? We haven't done that essay in school, and I'd say it was a possibility, I just haven't a clue what to write! :pac:
    The title was "Do we need a president in Ireland?" but it'd fit with anything about the president really or things like heroes of the country :) I wrote about how we definitely need a president because they represent us and show our best side internationally, and little bits like "the election is very picky but thats no harm in such an important competition" so its not a bland essay or something :P Then we got a photocopy where Foinse had interviewed the candidates and quoted Micky D and then I think it was David Norris and wrote "Why wouldnt we want someone like this running the country?". I cant remember exactly but that was the general idea of it :P
    I put something in about the economy being bad though, luckily only very slightly, dont do that! The president isnt involved in that, derp :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Beckyy


    Patchy~ wrote: »
    The title was "Do we need a president in Ireland?" but it'd fit with anything about the president really or things like heroes of the country :) I wrote about how we definitely need a president because they represent us and show our best side internationally, and little bits like "the election is very picky but thats no harm in such an important competition" so its not a bland essay or something :P Then we got a photocopy where Foinse had interviewed the candidates and quoted Micky D and then I think it was David Norris and wrote "Why wouldnt we want someone like this running the country?". I cant remember exactly but that was the general idea of it :P
    I put something in about the economy being bad though, luckily only very slightly, dont do that! The president isnt involved in that, derp :P

    :D Thank you!! The only idea I had was to write about the election.. :p I'll give it a go anyway!

    Think it's a possible mock? I've decided to just learn about 4 topics and improvise :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    Beckyy wrote: »
    :D Thank you!! The only idea I had was to write about the election.. :p I'll give it a go anyway!

    Think it's a possible mock? I've decided to just learn about 4 topics and improvise :rolleyes:
    No problem! :) Haha yeah same, it's always good to look at the bigger picture :P Make sure to get some notes on it first, its really helpful because then you wont make grammar mistakes :) I'd definitely say it could be a mock question! It's topical enough really and if my teacher thinks it could come up, I'm sure whoever made the mocks might think so too and put it in some way :) It might not be a direct question but it'll be useful somehow :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭JonnyMcNamee


    gaeilgebeo wrote: »
    Don't tar all Irish teachers with the one brush! Re-educating? :confused:.
    Not all teachers are the same and that goes for any subject.
    I totally agree! We have a class Irish department in our school and no one has been getting under Cs in our Higher level class!
    And I dunno what everyone is doing complaining about the new paper layout. We have it so much handier than last year! :D Just focus a good bit on listening to Irish radio stations and TG4 and going over your sraithpictuirí every so often and you'll be grand! Personally, I'm delighted with the change! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 358 ✭✭mcpaddington


    I would say there's a good chance of the essay being on the economy (again).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Mr.Fun


    I LOVE THIS NEW IRISH COURSE. STOP COMPLAINING!


  • Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭xclw


    i have a question about the leamhthuiscints
    do we just have to copy the answer and quote from the text or do ya have to put it into your own words. my teacher told me just to copy but i don't trust her :/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    Mine says dont copy, but I've heard you can. What I'd do is copy only if you have to - change even the verb if you can. That way, even if you get a "die-hard" marker who refuses to accept that we dont have to change them, you'll still get the marks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭Namlub


    Mr.Fun wrote: »
    I LOVE THIS NEW IRISH COURSE. STOP COMPLAINING!
    PEOPLE DO WHAT YOU SAY IF YOU WRITE IT IN CAPS


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭JonnyMcNamee


    xclw wrote: »
    i have a question about the leamhthuiscints
    do we just have to copy the answer and quote from the text or do ya have to put it into your own words. my teacher told me just to copy but i don't trust her :/
    My teacher says you don't need to paraphrase. So you can just take your answer straight from the text. But, if you take too much i.e if the answer was sentence Y from the text and you gave sentence X & Y in your answer you will be deducted marks so an understanding of the question and the text is kind of important! :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭liverpool lad


    My teacher says you don't need to paraphrase. So you can just take your answer straight from the text. But, if you take too much i.e if the answer was sentence Y from the text and you gave sentence X & Y in your answer you will be deducted marks so an understanding of the question and the text is kind of important! :p


    It clearly stated in the old course that your answers had to be in your own words, and it was evident in the Marking scheme, actual reproduction of the text seemed to be award 1m at the max. This year it is not written on the paper, or surely isn't on the sample paper. I still would imagine that Paraphasing is a part of the process. I am trying to think off hand, have I read it in the Teacher's outline and syllabus. Paraphasing a little bit, in my opinion, would be the best option. The new questions, the grammer ones, and the What type person is X and Y will be the main focus of the marks within that section.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6 Carrie4321


    I don't like the new course! At all :/ First they add 20 pictures which is grand and dandy you'll get over it but then they change all the Pro's and Poems so that predicting or getting notes from previous years is not possible :/ Instead of making it easier they've really made it harder, in my opinion anyways


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭haro124


    My teacher heard that the ones with bubble speech are likely to be given to the HL students.....Anyone else hear that??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    They dont know your exam level when you do your oral...so no.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭haro124


    Patchy~ wrote: »
    They dont know your exam level when you do your oral...so no.
    Yes but they can easily pick out the stronger students straight away who tend to be w higher level so the stronger students should get the harder ones !


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    Hmm, true :) But I would think it to be the other way around - I got one of those in my pre-mock oral and it helped me to remember the story by looking at the bubbles, theyre like little prompts really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭haro124


    Patchy~ wrote: »
    Hmm, true :) But I would think it to be the other way around - I got one of those in my pre-mock oral and it helped me to remember the story by looking at the bubbles, theyre like little prompts really.
    But the ones without tend to be far less complicated and a bit more like the sceal from the jc


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭haro124


    They've now slightly changed the oral. You pick the sraith picture not the examiner ! Randomnly of course :/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭Namlub


    What?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭Eathrin


    Maybe he means you get shown the blank side of the pages and are told to pick one. Whoop dee doo:confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,840 ✭✭✭Luno


    My teacher was at a conference last week and apparently it's like picking a card, the pictures are faced down so you can't see what one you're getting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭Namlub


    Oh I get it. How exciting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Boeing777


    Had my mock Irish Oral today. It's quite unusual. All the sraith picture are put into envelopes and spread across the table. You then choose one of the envelopes, open it and hand it to the examiner!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,813 ✭✭✭Togepi


    Boeing777 wrote: »
    Had my mock Irish Oral today. It's quite unusual. All the sraith picture are put into envelopes and spread across the table. You then choose one of the envelopes, open it and hand it to the examiner!

    Sounds like an awful waste of envelopes. :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭leaveiton


    Sounds similar to how it's done in the German oral - there are 5 picture sequences for that which are just laid out face down on the table and you pick one at random


  • Registered Users Posts: 43 Anro


    Does anyone know where I could get an mp3 download of the Poems to listen for the oral? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭brownstone


    ellen94_ wrote: »
    I would love the new course if my teacher wasn't a blundering idiot... :P was aiming for a HA1, now HB2 thanks to the lazy bitch....

    Mine too...We haven't any picture stories done!


  • Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭brownstone


    Anro wrote: »
    Does anyone know where I could get an mp3 download of the Poems to listen for the oral? :)

    Have you the book Fiúntas? There is a CD with that. The poems are done on it. Also Líofa (which is like 20 euro :/) has a CD and its basically the poems and other oral work...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,989 ✭✭✭PictureFrame


    Namlub wrote: »
    Oh I get it. How exciting
    lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 358 ✭✭mcpaddington


    Anro wrote: »
    Does anyone know where I could get an mp3 download of the Poems to listen for the oral? :)

    This guy has all the poems done with perfect pronunciation, just got to keepvid and click the mp3 link.

    Here's the link for Géibheann >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9nXPwz66GM


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  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭frulewis


    Can anyone doing higher level Irish please clarify this for me because I'm an external student and the chap giving me grinds hasn't a clue! On Paper 2 for the poems and pros - i know there are two questions but will one be specific and one be on any poem/pros we've studied?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭seriouslysweet


    This makes me mad. Don't go to grinds if they're crap, enough of great teachers out there. Spicifically what do you need to know, I can hopefully help.


  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭frulewis


    ah listen it was my own fault I made a last minute decision to repeat the Irish and he was all I could afford, I'm teaching him more than he's teachin me the poor divil! I'm just worried that I haven't studied the poems etc. properly so here's what I'm looking for - the question on prose and the poems - we get a choice of two questions so will one question be on a specific poem/pros and the other a question on a poem or pros of our choice OR are both questions going to be on specific poems/pros? Did that even make sense? am googly eyed here!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Coeurdepirate


    frulewis wrote: »
    Can anyone doing higher level Irish please clarify this for me because I'm an external student and the chap giving me grinds hasn't a clue! On Paper 2 for the poems and pros - i know there are two questions but will one be specific and one be on any poem/pros we've studied?

    Yes, but it's two different courses, the set course (that everyone does) and the optional course (that has the open question) afaik.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭haro124


    frulewis wrote: »
    Can anyone doing higher level Irish please clarify this for me because I'm an external student and the chap giving me grinds hasn't a clue! On Paper 2 for the poems and pros - i know there are two questions but will one be specific and one be on any poem/pros we've studied?
    of you did the poems like geibheann , colscradh etc and the prose oisin, dis,etc you answer question a ! The b question is for those people who have selected their own stories and poetry to study ! If you answer question b and lets say right about geibheann and colscaradh has come up on part A you get zero marks !


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Coeurdepirate


    HL Irish students, what essays are you preparing?
    I'm learning:

    -Recession
    -Emigration
    -Olympic Games
    -Young people
    -Irish language
    -Technology
    -Environment

    Do ye think I should prepare anything else?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭ChemHickey


    HL Irish students, what essays are you preparing?
    I'm learning:

    -Recession
    -Emigration
    -Olympic Games
    -Young people
    -Irish language
    -Technology

    Do ye think I should prepare anything else?

    I'm doing at least

    environment (a few types, like ozone, energy and general)
    Poverty
    Fashion
    Irish language
    Politics
    road deaths
    media
    special Olympics/sport


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Coeurdepirate


    ChemHickey wrote: »
    I'm doing at least

    environment (a few types, like ozone, energy and general)
    Poverty
    Fashion
    Irish language
    Politics
    road deaths
    media
    special Olympics/sport

    Oh I forgot about the environment, I'm doing that too! :p Our teacher told us to do an essay on Slád ar an mbóthar a few weeks ago but I didn't do it because I thought it wouldn't come up. Should I prepare it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭biohaiid


    Im really happy the course change :)
    At first I was really worried about the 40% for the oral but we've really been practising it all year and our teacher qaraunteed us we all have a high standard of irish, coming from a gaelteacht-ish area.
    I hated the sraith pictuiri at first but aftr a whike you just have to get over them. You dont need to learn every single thing in each picture, its not like there gonna dock you marks everytime you miss something. You just have to make it natural. i.e - make it up as you go along.
    Really happy history isnt on the paper anymore, that was meant to be a bitch :/
    And way less poems and stories I think, is that right?
    Well anyways Im delighted it changed!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Coeurdepirate


    biohaiid wrote: »
    Im really happy the course change :)
    At first I was really worried about the 40% for the oral but we've really been practising it all year and our teacher qaraunteed us we all have a high standard of irish, coming from a gaelteacht-ish area.
    I hated the sraith pictuiri at first but aftr a whike you just have to get over them. You dont need to learn every single thing in each picture, its not like there gonna dock you marks everytime you miss something. You just have to make it natural. i.e - make it up as you go along.
    Really happy history isnt on the paper anymore, that was meant to be a bitch :/
    And way less poems and stories I think, is that right?
    Well anyways Im delighted it changed!

    Aontaím go huile is go hiomlán leat :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭biohaiid


    Aontaím go huile is go hiomlán leat :)

    I had to google translate that. Fail. :L


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    I'm only preparing:
    Irish language
    Sport/Olympics
    Ireland's need/lack of need for a president
    Poverty

    ...Am I ****ed? :eek: I managed to get 96/100 using poverty in the mock like, and most years I've been able to fit my titles in somewhere but at the same time a broad amount of essays would be much more useful :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭biohaiid


    Patchy~ wrote: »
    I'm only preparing:
    Irish language
    Sport/Olympics
    Ireland's need/lack of need for a president
    Poverty

    ...Am I ****ed? :eek: I managed to get 96/100 using poverty in the mock like, and most years I've been able to fit my titles in somewhere but at the same time a broad amount of essays would be much more useful :(

    Maybe something on young people.
    You can bring young people and the state of ireland today into almost everything. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    biohaiid wrote: »
    Maybe something on young people.
    You can bring young people and the state of ireland today into almost everything. :)
    What sort of stuff would be best do you think? Something extra for each essay, e.g. their involvement in eliminating poverty/voting/learning Irish, or something new like problems? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭biohaiid


    Patchy~ wrote: »
    What sort of stuff would be best do you think? Something extra for each essay, e.g. their involvement in eliminating poverty/voting/learning Irish, or something new like problems? :)
    Well I have one prepared just on young people, eg - drinking, drugs and problems like that, and its pretty easy to fit them into other essays too
    But like your other essays you mentioned you could bring it in just by saying young peoples opinions, and how they're the future and all that.
    Its easy to bring it in in most places so would be handy to have to fill up soem space in June :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    Cool, I'll find some notes on those then, thank you! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 11 aisling.pw


    Hi, I am an external student. I need some help understanding what I need to do for paper one and paper two. I have the Oral done an dusted....

    Am I right in Thinking....
    In paper one....

    (A) you have your listening comprehension
    (B) you write your essay/story/newspiece

    In Paper two...

    (A) You have your leamhthuiscint (You answer all questions on both)
    (B) Pros - (Presuming your doing the pros ainmnithe) You will not have a choice of pros and you will be given one question. (Hence you need to learn them all in case)
    (C) Filiocht - (Presuming your doing the filiocht ainmithe) You will not have a choice of poem and you will be given one question. (Hence, you need to learn them all in case)
    (D) Litriocht Bhreise - If you studied Trial, you answer one question about it and no other.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,572 ✭✭✭Canard


    You've got it exactly there. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 daithioc


    Olympics has to be a banker like, especially as its so close to here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭JonnyMcNamee


    I'm hoping for a debate on something on the Irish language, like it's future, the future of the Gaeltachts or it's necessity as a compulsory subject! Also would be fairly happy with a question on sport (how it's ruined by greed etc.) If anything on politics or the President comes up that's my A1 out the window I'd say :pac:
    Wouldn't mind any of these titles as essays either :p


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