SIRO - ESB/Vodafone Fibre To The Home

MajesticDonkey · 30-04-2015 12:47pm

bk wrote: »

Though it is very short range, a van needs to drive very closely by to pick it up.

Up to 100-150 metres actually, depending on surroundings...

dbit · 30-04-2015 2:15pm

MajesticDonkey wrote: »

Up to 100-150 metres actually, depending on surroundings...

Im sure some teenagers did a survey on them for young scientists and they reported severe impedance up to 3 meters , it'll reach a lot further as you say , i don't doubt that I was making reference to the interference aspect.

My wifi point was by the front door of my house - this then was only 3 feet from my water meter had to move my ap to get cleaner signal around the house. MOD cops are looking so im gonna ssshhh now.

bk · 30-04-2015 2:43pm

KOR101 wrote: »

The point is about say 5-years down the line, when the ESB have implemented their plan, and say Eircom have matched them. So, you have two FTTH networks, well how will their costs compare.

Well 5 years from now, Eircom will still have the same disadvantages. They will still have to maintain both the copper and FTTH networks, where ESB will have only one modern network to maintain.

Also Eircom will still have the much more expensive debt to pay off, this is really the big one.

At 15 to 20 years, Eircom might be finally start to retire the majority of their copper network, so that might help with the first problem. However they will likely still be paying down the debt they raised 30 years from now and they will be paying substantially more for it then ESB/Vodafone.

KOR101 wrote: »

How big is the cost advantage of being able to use existing poles, ducts sub-station sites, etc.?

Hard to say. Rumour has it that Eircoms rural pole network is in a pretty bad state and maybe not strong enough to take new fiber cable. That would give the ESB a significant advantage in rural Ireland and thus the NBP, as obviously it would cost Eircom much more to upgrade their pole network.

That is why I guess Eircom has been making noise about getting access to the ESB's poles.

In urban areas I'd expect there is little difference as both have extensive and well developed pole and duct infrastructure.

KOR101 wrote: »

How much of a cost disadvantge is there to having to partner with Vodaphone?

Non that I can see, they are both investing in it 50:50, should they both would take out profits from it 50:50.

The only issue I would see is if they disagree on plans, future development etc.

KOR101 wrote: »

How much of a market advantage is there to being first-mover.? -In the BB market, not a lot, I would say.

Well Eircom would certainly have a much easier time, been known as an internet provider and having an existing relationship with most people in these areas. You would be surprised at how many people are slow to change and don't want to move off what they already know.

Just look at UPC, they have done very well winning almost 40 to 50% of customers in the areas they service. However you really have to wonder about those 50 to 60% of people who still with Eircom paying significantly more for speed 3 to 4 times slower then UPC!

KOR101 wrote: »

Is there a cost advantage to NOT being first-mover, because you can benefit from what you know about Eircom's experience? Can the ESB use better hardware technology than Eircom because it is later to the game?

Yes and no. Well Eircom going VDSL much later then BT in the UK or AT&T in the US, means they got much better performing, more mature technology and I bet it cost less too.

Obviously ESB has a cost advantage in not having rolled out a copper network 30 years ago!

However it we are talking about FTTH today, not really. It is a pretty mature technology now, the majority of cost is in the civils and labour.

From the rumours we have heard, ESB and Eircom are using pretty much the same GPON technology. Eircom would seem to have an advantage in that they seemed to have built the foundation for their FTTH network while building their FTTC network.

KOR101 wrote: »

A lot of the posters here know about about the technologies being used (I don't), so this is a question. On a 20-30 year view, with two FTTH networks in place, does the ESB have much of a cost advantage over Eircom?

As I mentioned above, Eircom will still have a much more expensive debt to finance. That will have a big impact on the cost.

KOR101 wrote: »

I'd say Eircom are hoping that by moving so decisively that the ESB may lose heart and curtail their ambitions. Their nightmare is if the ESB wins the NBP (hard to stay strictly on-topic) on top of their urban plan. Then, they could face a long-term competitor in all their markets, and one with potentially (?) lower costs.

Yes, this 1000 times.

I believe Eircom expanded and speed up the rollout of FTTC and now FTTH in the hope that it will discourage ESB/Vodafone from going ahead. And you know what it could actually work! ESB/Vodafone will have a much more difficult time competing with the newly aggressive Eircom, if Eircom quickly roll out FTTH.

UPC hit Eircom at the perfect time, when Eircom was being run into the ground by bad management. It will be much harder for the ESB to compete with this new Eircom. Not impossible, just more difficult.

ED E · 30-04-2015 2:58pm

Eircoms rural plant is in tatters in places. Yulonis posted picks of the main pairs totally exposed up north, and Ive seen the same on the south coast.

Even north county dublin has some pretty neglected poles.

The real problem if eircom want to overhaul this (they have KNN under contract, construction work is their forte) is access, many poles are on the far side of the ditch and will require them to enter private land. ESB have a blanket way leave, eircom do not. If they could get this changed as a precursor for the NBP that'd make a big difference.

Its worth noting that COMREG published a doc about a new access product where eircom would lease out their ducts, have to wonder if they're going to open theirs then insist the ESB should open their poles in order to be fair.

yuloni · 30-04-2015 7:11pm

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bk · 30-04-2015 8:20pm

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True, fiber is much more resilient to weather and from all the reports I've seen the opex of a fiber network is much lower then a copper network.

However the problem is will Comreg allow it to decommission the copper network? Or will Eircom be forced to run the copper network in parallel with the FTTH network?

Certainly in urban areas, the LLU providers will probably go nuts if Eircom tried to decommission their copper network. We have already seen that they maybe blocking the rollout of EVDSL and as much as I don't like it, they may well have a solid argument that they are entitled to get further return on investment from their LLU gear and the copper network.

Then you have the issue of the PSTN network been needed for certain services like fax, Sky, monitored alarms, etc. Finally there is the fact that PSTN continues to work during power outages, where FTTH doesn't. Important for calling emergency services.

So there is no guarantee Eircom would be allowed to rip out it's copper network.

I'm not sure what Comregs position on this is, it would be interesting if anyone knows?

My own position is that at least in areas without LLU, Eircom should not only be allowed to rip out the copper network, but should be encouraged to do so. If they are allowed to do so, then as you say I think they are much more likely to speedily deploy FTTH, in particular in NBP areas. However some conditions should be put on it:

- The network is completely open at a wholesale level to other companies to resell.
- That Eircom makes sure there are solutions to mitigate disturbance to services that require copper and perhaps even pay for these services to be switched over to fiber solutions.
- That Eircom puts in place at least some sort of consumer side battery backup for the FTTH voice service to contact emergency services.

In urban areas with LLU, it will be much more complicated. However I think it may well just be in Eircoms interest to fire ahead with the rollout of FTTH and leave the copper network in place in parallel for a few years. Eventually people will get sick of max 24Mb/s ADSL2+ and eventually switch over to FTTH. Making it more likely the LLU operators won't object.

Yes more expensive for Eircom, but probably the best solution and they can use FTTH to win back customers from both the LLU operators and UPC.

yuloni wrote: »

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I wouldn't be so sure about that. Clearly Eircom have more experience in this and already have half the network in place (the extra fiber pairs to the FTTC cabs), but I wouldn't say Eircom have a significant advantage in install teams, etc.

Eircom left go most of their teams over the years, keeping just a core team for emergency repairs, etc. The majority of new install work, FTTC, etc. seems to be done by KN Networks nowadays. I expect KN will be doing much of the FTTH installs for both Eircom and ESB. So I wouldn't think that would make much difference.

As I discussed above, if Eircom are forced to keep their copper network in place and operational and the will be for at least a few years as people are transitioned over to FTTH, then their opex is going to be more then double the ESB's during this period.

Also you have to consider the financing of these projects. Given Eircoms massive debts, it will cost them almost twice as much to raise the money for the capital expenditure for this FTTH network as it would the ESB.

yuloni · 30-04-2015 8:42pm

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murphaph · 01-05-2015 8:41am

We only have VoIP at home since switching to VDSL through a reseller of Deutsche Telekom. They simply don't offer a line back to the exchange. No power, no phone. In the age of mobile phones I don't think it's necessary.

bk · 01-05-2015 10:54am

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It certainly would be in Eircoms interest to do that, but I'm not certain how the regulator would react to that.

It is a difficult problem. On the one hand I certainly want to see healthy competition being developed. On the other hand it seems to me that there is little or no chance of the LLU operators rolling out their own VDSL or FTTH. If that is the case, they I don't want to see them standing in the way of progress.

It is a pity Comreg hasn't forced Eircom to go with P2P fiber instead of GPON. That would have allowed a form of fiber LLU. P2P FTTH would mean an individual fiber running from each home to the exchange. Which would make it relatively easy for a fiber to be switched over to a LLU in the exchange. This is compared to GPON where a single fiber from the exchange to the cabinet is then shared by 32 premises beyond the cab, thus making traditional LLU infeasible.

The disadvantage of P2P is that it is about 30% more expensive then GPON, plus Eircom has little incentive in making life easy for it's competitors. So they would have only gone with P2P if forced to do so by Comreg. But then that raises the question if Comreg would even have the power to force that and if they did, would Eircom then be much slower to rollout FTTH.

However not all hope is lost, there is a potential for wavelength unbundling. The next generation of GPON looks to be TDWM-PON, where up to four separate wavelengths are used to deliver 10Gb/s x 4 for a total of 40Gb/s. This could allow unbundling where 4 different companies are each given their own wavelength to use as they want.

yuloni wrote: »

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That is interesting, I assume that is trunk coax from one rural exchange to a larger one, where the rural exchange has now been upgraded to be feed with fiber?

The next obvious step is for Eircom to implement VoIP for the VDSL users and it can then decommission the copper between the cab and the exchange (the E-Side). I've read elsewhere that you can save as much as 50% of the install cost of VDSL2 by removing the copper and selling it! And that is without even considering the improved OPEX of a simpler network.

However Eircom would face a few problems with this:

1) Obviously LLU operators would object to this happening at any LLU enabled exchange.
2) Have to be careful not to remove any ADSL2+ pairs or voice only pairs that also run in parallel with the VDSL cab. However I believe the VDSL cabs can also do ADSL2+ and voice only (basically a mini exchange). If they activated these in the cab it would obviously make it easier to decommission the fiber. It would also be a big boost for people stuck on ADSL2+ who are more then 2km from a cab they pass.

Nollog · 01-05-2015 11:34am

bk wrote: »

TDWM-PON, where up to four separate wavelengths are used to deliver 10Gb/s x 4 for a total of 40Gb/s. This could allow unbundling where 4 different companies are each given their own wavelength to use as they want.

I'd rather the 40 jiggabits personally, even if I have no use for them.

If eircom laid the copper, surely they should be able to dig them up and sell the copper so long as they offer an alternative to their (wholesale or otherwise) customer.

bk · 01-05-2015 11:47am

/\/ollog wrote: »

I'd rather the 40 jiggabits personally, even if I have no use for them.

You could always order a connection from each of the 4 companies and combine them in your router with load balancing.

It would actually offer higher resiliency then a single company. Sure it wouldn't help if a JCB dug through the fiber going to your home, but it would help if one of the companies backhauls or networks was damaged or congested.

As you say no one has any need for 40Gb/s, so better to use it to improve competition.

BTW as it is a PON technology, that 40Gb/s would be shared amongst 32 premises.

/\/ollog wrote: »

If eircom laid the copper, surely they should be able to dig them up and sell the copper so long as they offer an alternative to their (wholesale or otherwise) customer.

That isn't the way it works. Remember it was the tax payer who built the majority of the copper network and Eircom took on certain regulatory responsibilities when it was privatised. Also it has certain responsibility due to having Significant Market Power (SMP).

LLU operators aren't just simple bitstream resellers, they invested significantly in LLU equipment and they have certain rights to see that copper maintained so they can receive a fair return on their investment.

yuloni · 01-05-2015 7:03pm

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ED E · 01-05-2015 10:47pm

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Nah, currently its 4x for the NGA node + 20 for customers. In dense areas to do P2P youd need 4+300 or more runs of glass. Thats just too much for the duct network to handle. Remember 20xGPON= 600 end users.

lucernarian · 02-05-2015 12:43am

It's a different ball game if they replace existing plant with fibre-optic cables. A fibre optic cable take up around 1/8 of the cross-sectional area of a typical Irish PSTN copper pair. A single typical corning single-mode fibre cable, including cladding and coating is a quarter of a millimetre in diameter. Compared to two 0.5 millmetre diameter(before PVC insulation) copper pairs.

There may be greater armouring needed if eircom ducts actually do have rats in them etc. but fibre would still take up a fraction of the space, especially if deployed in larger multi-strand cables.

SpaceTime · 02-05-2015 1:42pm

All ducts potentially have rodents in them. That's nothing unique to eircom.

lucernarian · 02-05-2015 3:12pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

All ducts potentially have rodents in them. That's nothing unique to eircom.

What's your point here? Armoured cables will still take up a small proportion of the space that existing copper cabling would.

On a related note, I remember reading before that BT claimed PTP fibre would only cost 10% more than a GPON deployment but I can't find access to those claims now.

bk · 02-05-2015 4:45pm

yuloni wrote: »

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The 30% figure I read came from a report by independent analysts into the possibilities for LLU on FTTH.

I only had access to the report summary, so I've no idea of the details.

GPON means one fiber to the cabinet, is split to 32 fibers to premises. Eircom has 24 fibers running to each FTTC cab, 4 for VDSL and the other 20 spare for FTTH upgrade. So you would need 644 pairs for PTP instead of just 24.

You would also need 644 Optical Line Terminals (OLT) in the exchange, instead of just 24 for GPON.

So 30% more seems reasonable for all that extra fiber cable and OLT gear.

lucernarian wrote: »

It's a different ball game if they replace existing plant with fibre-optic cables. A fibre optic cable take up around 1/8 of the cross-sectional area of a typical Irish PSTN copper pair. A single typical corning single-mode fibre cable, including cladding and coating is a quarter of a millimetre in diameter. Compared to two 0.5 millmetre diameter(before PVC insulation) copper pairs.

But that only works out if you remove the copper first to make space for the fiber. But that will never happen! Even if Eircom are left to decommission the copper network, practically speaking they can only do this once everyone is already on FTTH. So they need to fit those fibers into the existing ducts alongside the copper pairs and then later carefully pull out those copper pairs.

However that leaves me with an interesting idea. Once Eircom pulls the copper out, perhaps the LLU companies could run their own fiber, either GPON or P2P from the exchange to the cabs in the Eircom ducts and then connect up to the customers on the last mile Eircom FTTH fiber.

yuloni · 02-05-2015 5:13pm

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bk · 02-05-2015 5:35pm

yuloni wrote: »

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Exactly I could possibly see a LLU doing their own GPON at the cab or P2P in future.

It would also allow Eircom to also do P2P if higher speeds are required in the future (log term).

yuloni wrote: »

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The opposite is also possible and probably more likely. That the poles wouldn't have the strength and space to take 600 extra pairs. Don't forget these fibers need to be wrapped in weather proof armour installation if exposed on poles.

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Well obviously not every place will need all 600, but most areas will and some need even more!

Remember, at the moment Eircom only has a take up rate of 20% for VDSL, so 192 ISAM might be fine for the moment, but there is likely far more then 192 pairs passing the cab in most places. And if we are talking about an all fiber future, then you would likely need far more then 192 pairs for most cabs.

Not a hundred meters from me there are two VDSL cabs within 2 meters of one another. So at least 384 pairs there. And another 2 cabs just 50 meters down the road!

Also there are cabs with 2 ISAMS giving you 384 pairs in one cabs. These are the cabs that haven't gotten vectoring yet, they need Node Level Vectoring. I expect Eircom will add more ISAMS and ports to the VDSL cabs as more people switch over to VDSL.

The point being, if you were to do P2P, you would need far more fiber in the cuts
heading back to the exchange. And that means more cost.

bloodyhawk · 02-05-2015 10:03pm

bk wrote: »

GPON means one fiber to the cabinet, is split to 32 fibers to premises.
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B.K, correct me if i am wrong, but wouldn't Gpon network limit the full 1GB bandwidth as it is shared with other customers? How would this compare with single fibre links for every customer? Would traffic/routing be any different

Ballycarton · 02-05-2015 10:42pm

I know its great that they are doing this venture. But when they announced the list of towns that will get this broadband speed unfortunately only 3 towns in Co. Wexford , were included Wexford, Enniscorthy, & Gorey. New Ross was not on that list .although e-Fibre broadband is available in New Ross, I can not get it as I am too far from the exchange & an e- fibre cabinet which is 3 miles away. I can only get the ordinary broadband and my speed is 2.5Mbs, but I suppose I am lucky to get it at all. I know the government have announced the National Broadband Plan so hopefully we might get some class of decent broadband with that. Until then I can only dream about e fibre......

bk · 03-05-2015 10:16am

bloodyhawk wrote: »

B.K, correct me if i am wrong, but wouldn't Gpon network limit the full 1GB bandwidth as it is shared with other customers? How would this compare with single fibre links for every customer? Would traffic/routing be any different

GPON is 2.488 Gb/s of downstream bandwidth, and 1.244 Gb/s upstream shared with the 32 homes *

10GPON is 10 G/s downstream and 2.5 G/s upstream shared with 32 homes. *

* Note that strictly speaking it can be shared with a higher number of homes, 64 or 128.

We aren't certain what Eircom are using. The recent video on the Eircom wholesale site seems to suggest GPON at 32 homes. But no guarantee they don't do 64 homes at some places.

Eircom has also mentioned they can upgrade it to 10GPON and 40GPON in future. 10GPON is already standardised, while 40GPON is in the works.

So we aren't certain are they currently rolling out 10GPON or just GPON with future potential for 10GPON upgrades.

Obviously P2P isn't shared, so you wouldn't have any congestion between the exchange and the premises. However you would still have congestion from the exchange backhaul. P2P certainly has greater flexibility, but I wouldn't expect it to make much real world difference.

SpaceTime · 03-05-2015 11:10am

lucernarian wrote: »

What's your point here? Armoured cables will still take up a small proportion of the space that existing copper cabling would.

On a related note, I remember reading before that BT claimed PTP fibre would only cost 10% more than a GPON deployment but I can't find access to those claims now.

My point is that rodents nibbling on wires is a universal problem, not an eircom one. Ireland actually has relatively mild mannered wildlife. The biggest issue here tends to be flooding of ducts and water ingress which is something that's very bad for copper but probably wouldn't worry fibre.

bloodyhawk · 03-05-2015 11:46am

bk wrote: »

GPON is 2.488 Gb/s of downstream bandwidth, and 1.244 Gb/s upstream shared with the 32 homes *

10GPON is 10 G/s downstream and 2.5 G/s upstream shared with 32 homes. *

* Note that strictly speaking it can be shared with a higher number of homes, 64 or 128.

We aren't certain what Eircom are using. The recent video on the Eircom wholesale site seems to suggest GPON at 32 homes. But no guarantee they don't do 64 homes at some places.

Eircom has also mentioned they can upgrade it to 10GPON and 40GPON in future. 10GPON is already standardised, while 40GPON is in the works.

So we aren't certain are they currently rolling out 10GPON or just GPON with future potential for 10GPON upgrades.

Obviously P2P isn't shared, so you wouldn't have any congestion between the exchange and the premises. However you would still have congestion from the exchange backhaul. P2P certainly has greater flexibility, but I wouldn't expect it to make much real world difference.

My apologies for not following up on the thread, so i might have missed the the answer to the following question i am about to ask, but would Vodafone/Esb also incorporate Gpon technology to their future gigabit rollout? Or are they going with P2P?

lucernarian · 03-05-2015 12:06pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

My point is that rodents nibbling on wires is a universal problem, not an eircom one. Ireland actually has relatively mild mannered wildlife. The biggest issue here tends to be flooding of ducts and water ingress which is something that's very bad for copper but probably wouldn't worry fibre.

Everybody knows that rodents nibbling on wires is a problem in most parts of the world. If armoured cables are used, it wouldn't be that big a deal but certainly more fibre cables could be deployed within existing ducts if armouring wasn't needed.

bk wrote:

But that only works out if you remove the copper first to make space for the fiber.

Why is that actually the case? Having looked at eircom ducts before, there's often plenty of space along with the existing copper cabling. A 25mm diameter cable, allowing for at least an extra 3mm of covering/shielding around the bundle, could still support 1000 fibre strands. That's the same as a 50-pair steel-cladded direct burial cable or a little smaller than a 100-pair CW1128 non-armoured cable.

You would also need 644 Optical Line Terminals (OLT) in the exchange, instead of just 24 for GPON.

There'll be up to 644 ONTs anyway. And the price of an OLT for a dedicated fibre strand will undoubtedly be lower than a GPON OLT. More importantly, no cabinet would even serve as many as 644 pairs and each subscriber would be guaranteed the same level of contention, rather than some customers sharing a fibre strand with 7 other customers while others share it with up to 31.

Finally, a GPON arrangement is still possible with a dedicated fibre from a centralised point to every home - just use one OLT for every 30 fibre strands and have a single 32-way splitter located in the exchange beside each OLT. LLU can happen in the same way, just move a fibre strand from one splitter to another splitter that's served by a competitor's OLT.

Are ESB/Vodafone using GPON equipment that's upgradeable to 10GPON?

ED E · 03-05-2015 12:39pm

Dunno if anyone knows much about the ESBs stuff, keeping their cards very close.

ukoda · 05-05-2015 12:17pm

if you want to stay up to date from an official source:

Between now and 14th May we will be releasing more information through an ESB and Vodafone Joint Venture Twitter Account: poweredby_light

URL: https://twitter.com/poweredby_light?lang=en

dbit · 05-05-2015 1:02pm

ukoda wrote: »

if you want to stay up to date from an official source:

URL: https://twitter.com/poweredby_light?lang=en

I swear my hands are above the blankets Cheers Ukoda.

Nollog · 05-05-2015 7:36pm

bloodyhawk wrote: »

My apologies for not following up on the thread, so i might have missed the the answer to the following question i am about to ask, but would Vodafone/Esb also incorporate Gpon technology to their future gigabit rollout? Or are they going with P2P?

They're using GPON.

They've said they'll be doing 1gb/s from launch, and that they can upgrade to 10gb/s in the future.

The can upgrade to 10gb/s might have been me basing that on gpon 1 being easily upgradable to 2.

dbit · 06-05-2015 1:47pm

tweeted them to ask about rollout updates and so on they have replied with :- The first six towns will be announced in May. The remaining towns in phase one roll out will be announced at a later stage.

(Cmon Blackrock cork )

frozenfrozen · 06-05-2015 2:40pm

"First there was dial-up, then there was broadband, then came fibre, now there’s light." So wait, it's not fibre?

loyatemu · 06-05-2015 3:02pm

dbit wrote: »

The first six towns will be announced in May.

well one of them will be Cavan presumably.

AndyBoBandy · 06-05-2015 3:11pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

"First there was dial-up, then there was broadband, then came fibre, now there’s light." So wait, it's not fibre?

Yeah, I was wondering about that, seeing as how fibre is light!!

ukoda · 06-05-2015 3:29pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

"First there was dial-up, then there was broadband, then came fibre, now there’s light." So wait, it's not fibre?

Presumably it's a play on words referencing "light" as it's coming in from your power lines, but yeah in essence it's actually fibre....!

dbit · 06-05-2015 3:32pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Yeah, I was wondering about that, seeing as how fibre is light!!

And the earth was without form, and void (AKA Eircom); and darkness was upon the face of the Earth. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the Earth.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.(ESB vodafone)
And God saw the light, and it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.(No pole/duct access for Eircom)
fiber is not light you are correct. Nor is glass light.

ED E · 06-05-2015 3:39pm

Nollog · 07-05-2015 5:30pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

"First there was dial-up, then there was broadband, then came fibre, now there’s light." So wait, it's not fibre?

Maybe they plan to have it come in via a plug, that'd be fancy.

dbit · 08-05-2015 10:15am

/\/ollog wrote: »

Maybe they plan to have it come in via a plug, that'd be fancy.

And the funny part is they did actually try that , FAIL. Still Im hanging to see the first 6 towns , c'mon Cork.

Praetorian · 08-05-2015 10:33am

Come on Balbriggan :P says he who already has an awesome 100m/bit connection!

dbit · 08-05-2015 10:37am

Praetorian wrote: »

Come on Balbriggan :P says he who already has an awesome 100m/bit connection!

Greedy so and so .

positron · 08-05-2015 10:38am

Any idea what the monthly subscription of this to home setup is in Cavan? Or are they getting it free as it's a trial or something?

Would it be in the usual 35-50 range I wonder...!

dbit · 08-05-2015 10:42am

https://t.co/Dwq5GO90mQ im just going to have to keep on making them put the lotion in the basket.

ItHurtsWhenIP · 08-05-2015 1:54pm

dbit wrote: »

https://t.co/Dwq5GO90mQ im just going to have to keep on making them put the lotion in the basket.

I was just about to post that! :P

I saw the tweet from them with the vid yesterday ... however on closer inspection the frickin' video is from July 2014!!!! They're Soooo far behind Eircom now in the media game, it's a joke.

Put your lotion and notions away dbit!

:D:pac:

dbit · 08-05-2015 2:37pm

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

I was just about to post that! :P

I saw the tweet from them with the vid yesterday ... however on closer inspection the frickin' video is from July 2014!!!! They're Soooo far behind Eircom now in the media game, it's a joke.

Put your lotion and notions away dbit! :D:pac:

Lershun in De Burshkit, is how its pronounced, for that true fear factor .

Nollog · 08-05-2015 3:01pm

lol, "starting 2014"

ItHurtsWhenIP · 08-05-2015 6:02pm

I'm going to beat dbit!!!

Their tweet machine has at least caught up ... a bit ... though it is now only a month behind. This was posted a short while ago.

dbit · 08-05-2015 10:22pm

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

I'm going to beat dbit!!!

Their tweet machine has at least caught up ... a bit ... though it is now only a month behind. This was posted a short while ago.

I do believe someone else beat us to that one possibly ukoda ? BK ? ED? One of the Iron hammers anyway.

Nollog · 08-05-2015 10:57pm

It's almost like they're googling themselves.

ED E · 09-05-2015 12:07am

Probably have a Jobridge intern in charge of social media :pac:

maynooth_rules · 09-05-2015 9:45am

SIRO - ESB/Vodafone Fibre To The Home

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