SIRO - ESB/Vodafone Fibre To The Home

Ballycarton · 02-05-2015 10:42pm

I know its great that they are doing this venture. But when they announced the list of towns that will get this broadband speed unfortunately only 3 towns in Co. Wexford , were included Wexford, Enniscorthy, & Gorey. New Ross was not on that list .although e-Fibre broadband is available in New Ross, I can not get it as I am too far from the exchange & an e- fibre cabinet which is 3 miles away. I can only get the ordinary broadband and my speed is 2.5Mbs, but I suppose I am lucky to get it at all. I know the government have announced the National Broadband Plan so hopefully we might get some class of decent broadband with that. Until then I can only dream about e fibre......

bk · 03-05-2015 10:16am

bloodyhawk wrote: »

B.K, correct me if i am wrong, but wouldn't Gpon network limit the full 1GB bandwidth as it is shared with other customers? How would this compare with single fibre links for every customer? Would traffic/routing be any different

GPON is 2.488 Gb/s of downstream bandwidth, and 1.244 Gb/s upstream shared with the 32 homes *

10GPON is 10 G/s downstream and 2.5 G/s upstream shared with 32 homes. *

* Note that strictly speaking it can be shared with a higher number of homes, 64 or 128.

We aren't certain what Eircom are using. The recent video on the Eircom wholesale site seems to suggest GPON at 32 homes. But no guarantee they don't do 64 homes at some places.

Eircom has also mentioned they can upgrade it to 10GPON and 40GPON in future. 10GPON is already standardised, while 40GPON is in the works.

So we aren't certain are they currently rolling out 10GPON or just GPON with future potential for 10GPON upgrades.

Obviously P2P isn't shared, so you wouldn't have any congestion between the exchange and the premises. However you would still have congestion from the exchange backhaul. P2P certainly has greater flexibility, but I wouldn't expect it to make much real world difference.

SpaceTime · 03-05-2015 11:10am

lucernarian wrote: »

What's your point here? Armoured cables will still take up a small proportion of the space that existing copper cabling would.

On a related note, I remember reading before that BT claimed PTP fibre would only cost 10% more than a GPON deployment but I can't find access to those claims now.

My point is that rodents nibbling on wires is a universal problem, not an eircom one. Ireland actually has relatively mild mannered wildlife. The biggest issue here tends to be flooding of ducts and water ingress which is something that's very bad for copper but probably wouldn't worry fibre.

bloodyhawk · 03-05-2015 11:46am

bk wrote: »

GPON is 2.488 Gb/s of downstream bandwidth, and 1.244 Gb/s upstream shared with the 32 homes *

10GPON is 10 G/s downstream and 2.5 G/s upstream shared with 32 homes. *

* Note that strictly speaking it can be shared with a higher number of homes, 64 or 128.

We aren't certain what Eircom are using. The recent video on the Eircom wholesale site seems to suggest GPON at 32 homes. But no guarantee they don't do 64 homes at some places.

Eircom has also mentioned they can upgrade it to 10GPON and 40GPON in future. 10GPON is already standardised, while 40GPON is in the works.

So we aren't certain are they currently rolling out 10GPON or just GPON with future potential for 10GPON upgrades.

Obviously P2P isn't shared, so you wouldn't have any congestion between the exchange and the premises. However you would still have congestion from the exchange backhaul. P2P certainly has greater flexibility, but I wouldn't expect it to make much real world difference.

My apologies for not following up on the thread, so i might have missed the the answer to the following question i am about to ask, but would Vodafone/Esb also incorporate Gpon technology to their future gigabit rollout? Or are they going with P2P?

lucernarian · 03-05-2015 12:06pm

SpaceTime wrote: »

My point is that rodents nibbling on wires is a universal problem, not an eircom one. Ireland actually has relatively mild mannered wildlife. The biggest issue here tends to be flooding of ducts and water ingress which is something that's very bad for copper but probably wouldn't worry fibre.

Everybody knows that rodents nibbling on wires is a problem in most parts of the world. If armoured cables are used, it wouldn't be that big a deal but certainly more fibre cables could be deployed within existing ducts if armouring wasn't needed.

bk wrote:

But that only works out if you remove the copper first to make space for the fiber.

Why is that actually the case? Having looked at eircom ducts before, there's often plenty of space along with the existing copper cabling. A 25mm diameter cable, allowing for at least an extra 3mm of covering/shielding around the bundle, could still support 1000 fibre strands. That's the same as a 50-pair steel-cladded direct burial cable or a little smaller than a 100-pair CW1128 non-armoured cable.

You would also need 644 Optical Line Terminals (OLT) in the exchange, instead of just 24 for GPON.

There'll be up to 644 ONTs anyway. And the price of an OLT for a dedicated fibre strand will undoubtedly be lower than a GPON OLT. More importantly, no cabinet would even serve as many as 644 pairs and each subscriber would be guaranteed the same level of contention, rather than some customers sharing a fibre strand with 7 other customers while others share it with up to 31.

Finally, a GPON arrangement is still possible with a dedicated fibre from a centralised point to every home - just use one OLT for every 30 fibre strands and have a single 32-way splitter located in the exchange beside each OLT. LLU can happen in the same way, just move a fibre strand from one splitter to another splitter that's served by a competitor's OLT.

Are ESB/Vodafone using GPON equipment that's upgradeable to 10GPON?

ED E · 03-05-2015 12:39pm

Dunno if anyone knows much about the ESBs stuff, keeping their cards very close.

ukoda · 05-05-2015 12:17pm

if you want to stay up to date from an official source:

Between now and 14th May we will be releasing more information through an ESB and Vodafone Joint Venture Twitter Account: poweredby_light

URL: https://twitter.com/poweredby_light?lang=en

dbit · 05-05-2015 1:02pm

ukoda wrote: »

if you want to stay up to date from an official source:

URL: https://twitter.com/poweredby_light?lang=en

I swear my hands are above the blankets Cheers Ukoda.

Nollog · 05-05-2015 7:36pm

bloodyhawk wrote: »

My apologies for not following up on the thread, so i might have missed the the answer to the following question i am about to ask, but would Vodafone/Esb also incorporate Gpon technology to their future gigabit rollout? Or are they going with P2P?

They're using GPON.

They've said they'll be doing 1gb/s from launch, and that they can upgrade to 10gb/s in the future.

The can upgrade to 10gb/s might have been me basing that on gpon 1 being easily upgradable to 2.

dbit · 06-05-2015 1:47pm

tweeted them to ask about rollout updates and so on they have replied with :- The first six towns will be announced in May. The remaining towns in phase one roll out will be announced at a later stage.

(Cmon Blackrock cork )

frozenfrozen · 06-05-2015 2:40pm

"First there was dial-up, then there was broadband, then came fibre, now there’s light." So wait, it's not fibre?

loyatemu · 06-05-2015 3:02pm

dbit wrote: »

The first six towns will be announced in May.

well one of them will be Cavan presumably.

AndyBoBandy · 06-05-2015 3:11pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

"First there was dial-up, then there was broadband, then came fibre, now there’s light." So wait, it's not fibre?

Yeah, I was wondering about that, seeing as how fibre is light!!

ukoda · 06-05-2015 3:29pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

"First there was dial-up, then there was broadband, then came fibre, now there’s light." So wait, it's not fibre?

Presumably it's a play on words referencing "light" as it's coming in from your power lines, but yeah in essence it's actually fibre....!

dbit · 06-05-2015 3:32pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Yeah, I was wondering about that, seeing as how fibre is light!!

And the earth was without form, and void (AKA Eircom); and darkness was upon the face of the Earth. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the Earth.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.(ESB vodafone)
And God saw the light, and it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.(No pole/duct access for Eircom)
fiber is not light you are correct. Nor is glass light.

ED E · 06-05-2015 3:39pm

Nollog · 07-05-2015 5:30pm

frozenfrozen wrote: »

"First there was dial-up, then there was broadband, then came fibre, now there’s light." So wait, it's not fibre?

Maybe they plan to have it come in via a plug, that'd be fancy.

dbit · 08-05-2015 10:15am

/\/ollog wrote: »

Maybe they plan to have it come in via a plug, that'd be fancy.

And the funny part is they did actually try that , FAIL. Still Im hanging to see the first 6 towns , c'mon Cork.

Praetorian · 08-05-2015 10:33am

Come on Balbriggan :P says he who already has an awesome 100m/bit connection!

dbit · 08-05-2015 10:37am

Praetorian wrote: »

Come on Balbriggan :P says he who already has an awesome 100m/bit connection!

Greedy so and so .

positron · 08-05-2015 10:38am

Any idea what the monthly subscription of this to home setup is in Cavan? Or are they getting it free as it's a trial or something?

Would it be in the usual 35-50 range I wonder...!

dbit · 08-05-2015 10:42am

https://t.co/Dwq5GO90mQ im just going to have to keep on making them put the lotion in the basket.

ItHurtsWhenIP · 08-05-2015 1:54pm

dbit wrote: »

https://t.co/Dwq5GO90mQ im just going to have to keep on making them put the lotion in the basket.

I was just about to post that! :P

I saw the tweet from them with the vid yesterday ... however on closer inspection the frickin' video is from July 2014!!!! They're Soooo far behind Eircom now in the media game, it's a joke.

Put your lotion and notions away dbit!

:D:pac:

dbit · 08-05-2015 2:37pm

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

I was just about to post that! :P

I saw the tweet from them with the vid yesterday ... however on closer inspection the frickin' video is from July 2014!!!! They're Soooo far behind Eircom now in the media game, it's a joke.

Put your lotion and notions away dbit! :D:pac:

Lershun in De Burshkit, is how its pronounced, for that true fear factor .

Nollog · 08-05-2015 3:01pm

lol, "starting 2014"

ItHurtsWhenIP · 08-05-2015 6:02pm

I'm going to beat dbit!!!

Their tweet machine has at least caught up ... a bit ... though it is now only a month behind. This was posted a short while ago.

dbit · 08-05-2015 10:22pm

MMFITWGDV wrote: »

I'm going to beat dbit!!!

Their tweet machine has at least caught up ... a bit ... though it is now only a month behind. This was posted a short while ago.

I do believe someone else beat us to that one possibly ukoda ? BK ? ED? One of the Iron hammers anyway.

Nollog · 08-05-2015 10:57pm

It's almost like they're googling themselves.

ED E · 09-05-2015 12:07am

Probably have a Jobridge intern in charge of social media :pac:

maynooth_rules · 09-05-2015 9:45am

SIRO - ESB/Vodafone Fibre To The Home

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