Who is your favourite politician and what are your political values?

xzanti · 29-04-2012 8:37pm

Joe Higgins.. Socialist Party..

HoggyRS · 29-04-2012 8:40pm

Left wing and republican. Favourite Irish politician probably Louise Minihan or Joe Higgins.

Scanlas The 2nd · 29-04-2012 8:48pm

Whatever policies maximise the total happiness of its citizens.

Roadtrippin · 29-04-2012 8:53pm

Favourite politician... that's a paradox in my books. That implies I actually like any politician in the first place!

Computer says No!

BOHtox · 29-04-2012 9:00pm

Libertarian here. I don't like being told what to do, I don't like communists and I don't like socialists! I like free markets, low tax, being able to do what I want etc. I believe everyone should be treated with equality and have the chance to fulfil their dreams without intervention from the government.
Ron Paul is my favourite politician.
Reagan, Milton Friedman and Thatcher are up there too though, although Friedman was an economist.

Pottler · 29-04-2012 9:25pm

had to thank the opening post as yer man sounds mad enough to end up running the country. Just keeping in with our future right wing overlords, ye know how it is. My favorite politician is Develera, mainly cos he's dead and can no longer do any harm. Not too fond of any of the alive ones.

Dudess · 29-04-2012 9:25pm

Notorious97 wrote: »

true wrote: »

Mrs Thatcher- for standing up to the Eastern block ( defeated ) , militant trade unions ( defeated ), Argentian military regime responsible for thousands of disappeared ( defeated ), Gadaffi ( defeated) , PIRA and INLA ( responsible for deaths of her friends like Airey Neace, Mrs Tebbbit etc ( defeated). The lady was not for turning. She worked 80 hour weeks in the interests of her country, and was proven to be honest. Meanwhile , as tens of thousands of Irish were enmigrating to the UK each year at the time, our Lord Haughey was telling us to wear the hairshirt while buying the most expensive handmade shirts in the world in Paris with his mistress. You could not make it up. Pity we had not her in this country and she would not have let the regulator, unions or Irish banks get away with it.

Kind of makes the likes of Wallace and Doherty look like parochial Killinascully scoundrels. Balls? real balls is doing things for the common good but putting yourself at risk of serious terrorist threat for the rest of your life. It does not take balls to wear a pink shirt. I know straight fellas doing that 25 years ago, just to be different. And it was not that different. The punk rockers were different.

lol are you serious? So the UK went to war with Argentina for the reason you state above? How do you feel about her relationship with Augusto Pinochet and his record?

Also what about her and her governments views on South Africa's government policies of the time?

And lastly, she defeated the PIRA? lol news to me, must have missed that part of history in school.
My favourite politician is dead, 90 years in august.

Lol yeah - the claim she was fighting for Argentinian democracy is hilarious... Pinochet was an utter monster, but let's disregard such an inconvenient truth.

That post on her just seems like it's written by a kid who wants to be different to their peers.

Eric Cartman · 29-04-2012 9:30pm

true wrote: »

Mrs Thatcher- for standing up to the Eastern block ( defeated ) , militant trade unions ( defeated ), Argentian military regime responsible for thousands of disappeared ( defeated ), Gadaffi ( defeated) , PIRA and INLA ( responsible for deaths of her friends like Airey Neace, Mrs Tebbbit etc ( defeated). The lady was not for turning. She worked 80 hour weeks in the interests of her country, and was proven to be honest. Meanwhile , as tens of thousands of Irish were enmigrating to the UK each year at the time, our Lord Haughey was telling us to wear the hairshirt while buying the most expensive handmade shirts in the world in Paris with his mistress. You could not make it up. Pity we had not her in this country and she would not have let the regulator, unions or Irish banks get away with it.

woahhh, I agree with thatcher economically, but seriously in terms of wars particularly the falklands , she was insane and idiotic to put it mildly

Dubhlinner · 29-04-2012 9:34pm

Like Shane Ross. Ming was good before he went all parish pump.

In Northern Ireland Conall McDevitt but not sure what I'd think of him if he was in a real parliament.

admiralofthefleet · 29-04-2012 9:37pm

over the past few years it would be the late Brian lenehan. tried his hardest and was an excellent communicator but that pox cowen shafted him

if he had led his party maybe things would be different

Markcheese · 29-04-2012 10:07pm

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

over the past few years it would be the late Brian lenehan. tried his hardest and was an excellent communicator but that pox cowen shafted him

if he had led his party maybe things would be different

What a lovely simple view, I think we were shafted before Cowan came in , maybe in a different party or different time he'd have been a great political leader, maybe lots of things....
My favourite politican will be the one who digs us out of this crap hole we put dug ourselves into....( we voted our great leaders in )
I'd be kind of right leaning, personal responsibility... But not" hang them all and blame the ........" still believe in a welfare state but think it's a privilege not a right....

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 29-04-2012 11:30pm

Never ceses to amaze me when people say they like and amdire the politicans that shafted us and want more...

It's live listening to criminals saying that reducing the number of gardai would be a good thing for the country.

Yamanoto · 30-04-2012 12:25am

I fundamentally disagree with Higgins and Boyd-Barrett on practically everything, but they're clearly men of integrity. At this stage, I'd settle for that.

Also feel the British public's Euroscepticism has been proved right. When the sh1tstorm blows over, the people of Europe themselves should be given a real opportunity to have a say in the framing of the future union. The fact that's so unthinkable, tells us everything we need to know about the anti-democratic character of those who steer the ship in Brussels.

upandcumming · 30-04-2012 12:26am

Christine Lagarde.

Monty Burnz · 30-04-2012 12:29am

Yamanoto wrote: »

I fundamentally disagree with Higgins and Boyd-Barrett on practically everything, but they're clearly men of integrity. At this stage, I'd settle for that.

Boyd-Barrett certainly showed his integrity when he came out in support of those millionaire property investors who were refusing to leave the house that they lost ownership of two years ago for not paying their mortgage...

Yamanoto wrote: »

Also feel the British public's Euroscepticism has been proved right. When the sh1tstorm blows over, the people of Europe themselves should be given a real opportunity to have a say in the framing of the future union. The fact that's so unthinkable, tells us everything we need to know about the anti-democratic character of those who steer the ship in Brussels.

You also have to factor in the fact that the average voter is far too stupid or too lazy to read up on or understand the various EU treaties or understand the purpose of the EU beyond not having to show a passport when travelling in the Schengen zone. Is this the fault of the politicians or the public?

mikemac1 · 30-04-2012 12:32am

true wrote: »

Mrs Thatcher - Argentian military regime responsible for thousands of disappeared ( defeated ),

But you've no problem with Pinochet and his regime?
Fond of flying dissidents out over the ocean and then throwing them out of aeroplanes

Born to Die · 30-04-2012 12:40am

mikemac1 wrote: »

Fond of flying dissidents out over the ocean and then throwing them out of aeroplanes

That's an idea for what to do with the bog cutters.

Jimoslimos · 30-04-2012 12:41am

_Gawd_ wrote: »

I believe in the free market. I believe in capitalism. I believe in the free movement of free peoples. I believe in private property. I believe in the individual (because you're Irish means nothing to me) - you should be judged by the content of your character. I believe you have a right to do whatever you please so long as it doesn't intrude on anyone else.

Politician? Ron Paul.

Sounds like a lot of 'beliefs' there, sure you wouldn't be be better off starting a religion/cult or something:pac:

As for Libertarianism and Ron Paul, yes he's very right wing economically but it's stretching it to call him socially left.

Chuck Stone · 30-04-2012 1:56am

I would describe my politics as 'anti-privilege'.

A absolutely loathe right-wing authoritarian conservatism.

I'm attracted to the personal freedom and anti-war aspect libertarianism. The economics of libertarianism sounds good but I'm of the mind that it could polarise wealth/power in the hands of the few which would mean it was doomed (I believe in conflict theory).

I believe all drugs, prostitution and abortion* should be legal.

*With very strict time limits that ensured a fetus wouldn't suffer.

Yamanoto · 30-04-2012 1:56am

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Boyd-Barrett certainly showed his integrity when he came out in support of those millionaire property investors who were refusing to leave the house that they lost ownership of two years ago for not paying their mortgage...

Had he prior knowledge of the Killiney couples duplicity? If so, sure, his integrity can be questioned.

His judgement is a different matter.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You also have to factor in the fact that the average voter is far too stupid or too lazy to read up on or understand the various EU treaties or understand the purpose of the EU beyond not having to show a passport when travelling in the Schengen zone. Is this the fault of the politicians or the public?

Democracy's for the dumb too remember. Whether you perceive that as a flaw or not is your call.

Apathy is a problem no doubt, though apportioning blame on one sector over another would seem to me a fiendishly difficult endeavour.

Jesus Wept · 30-04-2012 2:45am

Dustin.

LH Pathe · 30-04-2012 3:51am

Left Wing / Ming.

where's me Mingers at

Doc Ruby · 30-04-2012 6:05am

[An extraterrestrial robot and spaceship has just landed on earth. The robot steps out of the spaceship...]

"I come in peace," it said, adding after a long moment of further grinding, "take me to your Lizard."

Ford Prefect, of course, had an explanation for this, as he sat with Arthur and watched the nonstop frenetic news reports on television, none of which had anything to say other than to record that the thing had done this amount of damage which was valued at that amount of billions of pounds and had killed this totally other number of people, and then say it again, because the robot was doing nothing more than standing there, swaying very slightly, and emitting short incomprehensible error messages.

"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"

"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like to straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."

"I did," said ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't the people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"

"What?"

"I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"

"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."

Ford shrugged again.

"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."

RIP Doug, the finest of us, and truer today than it ever was.

luckyfrank · 30-04-2012 6:13am

ripcurl105 wrote: »

no foreigners
take back our country
thatcherism
no more nigerians or knackers or gypsies
simples
then we have a pure clean society

mod: banned.

didnt mean to thank him but theres alot of people who are very unhappy with the way things are,

luckyfrank · 30-04-2012 6:22am

really like who ?

luckyfrank · 30-04-2012 6:23am

like you

luckyfrank · 30-04-2012 6:23am

like me ?

luckyfrank · 30-04-2012 6:25am

like me or like you

luckyfrank · 30-04-2012 6:25am

who you talking too

luckyfrank · 30-04-2012 6:26am

im talking to me

luckyfrank · 30-04-2012 6:27am

what ye on about

luckyfrank · 30-04-2012 6:28am

time for noddy land

luckyfrank · 30-04-2012 6:29am

see ye in the morning pal

whatdoicare · 30-04-2012 7:04am

I just wish Chuck Norris was a politician- he'd sort this recession out- roundhouse kick to the chops!

luckyfrank · 30-04-2012 7:05am

whatdoicare wrote: »

I just wish Chuck Norris was a politician- he'd sort this recession out- roundhouse kick to the chops!

peadophile

BOHtox · 30-04-2012 1:40pm

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Sounds like a lot of 'beliefs' there, sure you wouldn't be be better off starting a religion/cult or something:pac:

As for Libertarianism and Ron Paul, yes he's very right wing economically but it's stretching it to call him socially left.

He's for abortion, gay marriage, the legalisation of all drugs etc.
How isn't he?

Pedant · 30-04-2012 1:46pm

Political values: On the fence between libertarian minarchist and libertarian anarchist. I support Milton Friedman, Ludwig von Mises and F. A. Hayek when it comes to the economy. I'm also a fan of J. Locke, Adam Smith, M. Rothbard, Ayn Rand and Aristotle. My views on liberty cross over into my social views. I believe that individual liberties should be an absolute reflection of natural (or negative) rights. This means I'm for gay marriage (being gay myself), abortion (only for a fixed duration at the beginning of the pregnancy), legalisation of drugs, etc...

Favourite politicians: At the moment, Ron Paul. In Ireland, Shane Ross comes close.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-04-2012 1:47pm

luckyfrank wrote: »

didnt mean to thank him but theres alot of people who are very unhappy with the way things are,

In what way?

Most people are unhappy with the economy, but as I said, praise the principles that led to the economy and the politicans, but what has that got to do with immigration? Were the corrupt bankers and developes Nigerian? Or of gypsy origin?

The only politician that got mentioend was Thartcher, and she very much agreed with a low-regulation economy that led to the situation we find ourselves in.

The only difference between her and McCreevy/Ahearne was that they over indulged the public sector, but they only did that for votes, not for any long term national interest, as has been proven.

Logical Fallacy · 30-04-2012 1:59pm

ripcurl105 wrote: »

I am extremely right-leaning. I believe in little goverment power over the people, a Laissez-faire market, little as possible taxation, slashed public service, reinstatement of religion in schools an dclassroom led prayer. Super strict immigration, ie, everyone entering is fingerprinted and photographed at the border and passport number is filed. Immigrants commiting crimes are deported permanently and blocked from country (where the fingerprints come in).
Respect fo relderly and pride in the nation and more respect for Gardaí and army.

I may be a bit off, but most of your "right leaning" views seem to be more in line with the Republican Party in America than any particular right leaning party in Ireland.

Edit : Oh, he's banned. Shocker.

John Doe1 · 30-04-2012 2:00pm

Vladimir Putin

Anti-Turksih Occupation of Northern Cyprus:)

Pedant · 30-04-2012 2:00pm

luckyfrank wrote: »

see ye in the morning pal

I see dead people.

Logical Fallacy · 30-04-2012 2:02pm

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Never ceses to amaze me when people say they like and amdire the politicans that shafted us and want more...

It's live listening to criminals saying that reducing the number of gardai would be a good thing for the country.

Having a favourite politician is a lot like having a favourite porn star. You might like what they are doing now but eventually desperation for a pay check will have them doing stuff in a few years that you just don't like.

dsmythy · 30-04-2012 2:15pm

A lot of people saying whatever is best for society. It's nice wishing happiness for all but do you not have any sort of plan ahead rather than taking things as they come?

goat2 · 30-04-2012 2:19pm

Michael Healy Rae,
a man of the people, for the people

Yamanoto · 30-04-2012 2:21pm

He's my favourite poliTiTian too

goat2 · 30-04-2012 2:28pm

Yamanoto wrote: »

He's my favourite poliTiTian too

all right, we all cannot be perfect.

Stiffler2 · 01-05-2012 4:27pm

Who's my fav politician - Ming
What are my political values : Death to all politicians.

Markcheese · 01-05-2012 6:55pm

I kinda like some of the things Ming says.. (Although he's more anti than any thing)
I just can't stand how he says it .. Angry angry man.he's indignant and angry at other politicians because they're politicans.And so is he now.

tony007 · 01-05-2012 7:11pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

grover cleveland or margaret thatcher would be my favourite.

both strong characters with the right ideas on economics.

just for personality - bertie ahern, taking criticism like a hero and completely shameless about taking the money that we all would have taken in the same position

What do you like about her specifically?

tony007 · 01-05-2012 7:13pm

BOHtox wrote: »

Libertarian here. I don't like being told what to do, I don't like communists and I don't like socialists! I like free markets, low tax, being able to do what I want etc. I believe everyone should be treated with equality and have the chance to fulfil their dreams without intervention from the government.
Ron Paul is my favourite politician.
Reagan, Milton Friedman and Thatcher are up there too though, although Friedman was an economist.

I'm sorry, but you're talking nonsense. Reagan and Thatcher weren't libertarians. Reagan was statist.

Who is your favourite politician and what are your political values?

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