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Boxer in dirty protest!!!
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04-01-2012 9:23am#1
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Cheers for all the replies!!
We have changed his food back to Wafcol he was on a different one and it really didn't agree with him he was having diarreha when out for walks aswell as all over the yard. Since he's been on that his stools have been like there supposed to be apart from when he's left on his own.
With the toilet training I'm expecting accidents but what was waiting for me this morning was unnatural and I've been keeping an eye all day and his stools are fine.
@David yeah most nights he is outside as the vet had told us at his last check-up that once it wasn't below 5degrees he was fine and then we told him about the kennel he said he's fine outside so unless it's been below 5degrees he's been outside. That's a good point though maybe because we are letting him in most of the day until we're going to bed and then he's being put out in the cold it's stressing him out
I might see how he goes tonight and call by the tomorrow.0 -
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I'm not mad on the thread title - it makes it sound like the dog is doing this on purpose. He's a 5 month old pup! It isn't right to have such runny poos, if it isn't diet it could possibly be a viral tummy bug, some kind of doggy cold? If it is purely from stress then you need to look at the causes - if it's all over the doorstep is the dog fretting to get inside? Having the run of the garden on his own is not necessarily a good thing, most dogs aren't interested in exploring without a person around.
Just an idea - are you giving him any chews? They give my dog the runs.
He is usually outside from when he's put out at 11pm or later at night until probably once he has had his first poo after his breakfast 9-10am (60% of daily total food), then he's in all day, walked at some stage during the afternoon until i get home from work and walk him again. Then he gets his dinner at 5-6pm, the remaining 40%, and he's out again until the baby goes to bed at about 8ish and he's back in until its time to go back out for bed.
Better life than most dogs might have probably
I'll stop all his treats for a week now and see if that makes any difference.
He does know what he's doing though because he gives you that "i've just been bold" look.0 -
Ok what stands out to me (i'm too lazy to do loads of quotes - sorry! :pac:)
1 - he's a 5 month old baby with the runs from something you're feeding him - he's not trying to take a stand against you by pooing everywhere
2 - Different foods suit different dogs - you may need to try different types until you find one that suits your dog. There's no boxers in the gang in our park so I can't advise but some posters here have boxers so they may be able to advise on what diets work for their dogs
3 - Puppies and dogs with upset tummies need small meals often - 2 meals a day may be more than he can handle at this stage. My guy was still on 3 or 4 meals a day at that age.. if the meals are too big it can give them the runs
5 - Cut out all treats for the time being as they could be the problem. Put some of his food in a lunch box/jar and use that as treats - he'll still see it as a treat if it comes from the jar.
You want to do a process of elimination so say he's fine with his food then you add in one type of treat and see what happens etc.
4 - Close the door of the crate at night - you want him settled and asleep where he can't get up to puppy mischief!
5 - Puppies are happy when they have a routine so maybe think of keeping him inside in the crate at night (as the weather is crap at the moment) until his tummy has settled down - at least this way you can rule chopping and changing between in out as adding to the problem.
6 - If he's inside at dinner time he can go into his crate with the door closed and be trained to sit quietly - you don't need to buy him a high chair and bib to sit at the table with you
7 - You're not allowed ask questions about puppies without showing us pics!!!
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8 - Re the 'bold look' - he's trying to appease you - ie he's reacting to you/your tone/bodylanguahe not what he's done. Are you giving out to him/have you punished him for having an accident?!0 -
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Yes he's our dog and we both post I'm just better at typing more waffle
Ok what stands out to me (i'm too lazy to do loads of quotes - sorry! :pac:)
1 - he's a 5 month old baby with the runs from something you're feeding him - he's not trying to take a stand against you by pooing everywhere
2 - Different foods suit different dogs - you may need to try different types until you find one that suits your dog. There's no boxers in the gang in our park so I can't advise but some posters here have boxers so they may be able to advise on what diets work for their dogs
3 - Puppies and dogs with upset tummies need small meals often - 2 meals a day may be more than he can handle at this stage. My guy was still on 3 or 4 meals a day at that age.. if the meals are too big it can give them the runs
5 - Cut out all treats for the time being as they could be the problem. Put some of his food in a lunch box/jar and use that as treats - he'll still see it as a treat if it comes from the jar. You want to do a process of elimination so say he's fine with his food then you add in one type of treat and see what happens etc.
4 - Close the door of the crate at night - you want him settled and asleep where he can't get up to puppy mischief!
5 - Puppies are happy when they have a routine so maybe think of keeping him inside in the crate at night (as the weather is crap at the moment) until his tummy has settled down - at least this way you can rule chopping and changing between in out as adding to the problem.
6 - If he's inside at dinner time he can go into his crate with the door closed and be trained to sit quietly - you don't need to buy him a high chair and bib to sit at the table with you
7 - You're not allowed ask questions about puppies without showing us pics!!!
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8 - Re the 'bold look' - he's trying to appease you - ie he's reacting to you/your tone/bodylanguahe not what he's done. Are you giving out to him/have you punished him for having an accident?!
i'll reply to each one
1 - dont know if it's in protest but he knows he's doing it, within 1 min of the door closing he poo's everywhere, and always diarrhea.
2- He's been on the same food for over 2 months now and the runs is only a new thing with him. He's been on it since the start but we tried Clinivet, because it was on a 50% off offer, and it didnt agree with him so changed back to the Wafcol, actually probably 3ish months now.
3- He's been on 2 feeds a day since we got him at 8 weeks old. Roughly 40g per kg of body weight is his rough amount. Not sure if it's too much or enough but thats what he gets
4- have cut all the treats since yesterday.
5 - He's inside when under about 4c but will be outside when over that. It doesnt matter whether he's in or out though. Inside he instantly poo's on the floor once the door closes and outside he poo's on the doorstep (not in his usual area) in the same time frame.
6 - He actually sits in his bed without moving when we have dinner, he's very well behaved in everything else he does too and brilliant with the baby.
7 - i'll find a pic
8 - He's never been punished for having an accident, when i was house training him i spend anything up to 40 mins outside at a time with him to wee at night outside, he still had the odd accident put i'd just pick him up and put him outside when he did, he never once had a poo inside until this problem started, he'd go on the papers we'd have down alright in the back hall where he sleeps when he was younger
I know he's nervous and that's what causing this problem, he doesn't like being left alone and it's probably because we have him inside with us so much that he feels lonely and anxious when he's put to bed on his own, i'm not getting into his bed and reading him a story till he's asleep lol . But it's how to fix the problem that has me to be honest????I'm guessing they're a couple who both post.
Have to :rolleyes: at the implication that all people who allow their dogs to live inside have them begging from the table and sleeping in the bed with them, though.
I didn't imply that ALL people who let their dogs live inside have them at that, just i'm not one to have it. I've had house dogs since i was a baby, sometimes up to 4 at the one time over the last 30 years but they slept outside as well until the weather got too cold as i do with my pup now.0 -
I know he's nervous and that's what causing this problem, he doesn't like being left alone and it's probably because we have him inside with us so much that he feels lonely and anxious when he's put to bed on his own, i'm not getting into his bed and reading him a story till he's asleep lol . But it's how to fix the problem that has me to be honest????
IMO you've hit the nail on the head here. Whilst I wouldn't rule his diet out (it's clearly not agreeing with him in the longer term: his poops should be consistently dry and hard: sorry if that's TMI!), it sounds to me like you've got separation issues going on here.
It's great when pups have someone with them almost all the time. But, it is also important to teach them to cope with being on their own. The problem tends to be more marked in cases like this where the pup is very used to having company, but when it's gone, the vacuum left is huge.
The anxiety is manifested in him quite literally ****ting himself. He has also probably learned that the closing door is a predictable indicator that he's going to be left alone, and so the closing door itself has essentially become a cue for him to get nervous and for his bowels to loosen.
I think you need to go back to absolute basics here. First, get a DAP Diffuser and plug it into the room where he's sleeping, as close to his bed as possible.
Second, stay in the room with him and let him settle in his bed. Walk towards the door, then turn around and immediately come back in again. Do this lots and lots of times, until you can see that pup is not all that interested in what you're doing any more.
Gradually walk further towards the door. Eventually, go out the door before immediately turning around and coming back in. When he's bored stupid with this, start to stay outside the door just a little bit longer before returning. Gradually build up the length of time you're out.
When he's bored with this, start to close the door bit by bit behind you.
Gradually, build it up so you can close the door and spend increasingly longer outside the door away from pup.
the idea here is that you are conditioning the pup that when you go out, you will be back, each and every time. It also habituates the pup to your coming and going, because you do it so often that the pup gets bored with you coming and going all the time, rather than it being abig, emotional novelty.
Yes, it will take time, and countless repetition, but you can get a lot achieved in short bursts. I do this as standard with foster dogs who, by their veryt circumstances, tend to be very anxious about being left/losing their new "rock", and it works really well, though you do need to give it time.
Some other things to try in conjunction with this: give pup a stuffed Kong Toy with something yummy (you may have to toy around with fillings that won't disagree with his sensitive Boxer tum... Boxers are notorious for digestive problems).
Try putting a baby gate at the doorway instead of using the door itself: some dogs get really upset at the closed door, but are quite happy int he same room as long as they can see out.
Keep a radio playing at a low volume so that the silnece isn't as obvious when you leave.0 -
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2 days now since i've started to mix his food half and half, got a food off my mother that she gets in her vet's, Active Veterinary + i think it's called, it looks like nuts mixed with muesli Anyway, stopped all the treats and with swapping to the mix of food has done the trick. I also did as DBB said and when i put him to bed i went back in to check him a few times for the first 20 minutes so he knew i was still around.
The better thing is he actually much prefers the new food too
Thanks for the replys folks, have sorted the problems.
Oh and for the last 2 posters - the vet told us what temperatures are safe for dogs to be outside, think i'll listen to him... I'll listen to him about what temperatures a dog can sustain outside...0 -
can't imagine a 5 month old boxer sleeping outside these winter days,their thincoat makes them very succeptible to the cold.
he is probably getting sick with the cold.
you could quadrouple insulate the kennel and it would make no difference as it's open and has no heat source.
guaranteed that he spends the nights shivering and sick, waiting for you to get up for heat,poor thing.
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please don't call the ispca on me I somehow doubt cold related diarrhea is what a is wrong with him... Start another thread though if you want to talk about that 0 -
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The kennel is carpeted and everything for him and full of pillows, if it's cold out he's inside, that's how this problem started about 3 weeks ago. The problem turned out to be diet/anxiety related diarrhea not pneumonia from being out in >0c temps.
Looking at the size of that snugglesafe pad he'd need about 4 of them 0 -
The kennel is carpeted and everything for him and full of pillows, if it's cold out he's inside, that's how this problem started about 3 weeks ago. The problem turned out to be diet/anxiety related diarrhea not pneumonia from being out in >0c temps.
Looking at the size of that snugglesafe pad he'd need about 4 of them
To be honest, carpet doesnt keep the cold out unless the kennel is properly insulated. A lot of people are under the impression if a kennel has blankets etc the dog will be warm but thats def not the case. The wooden walls of a kennel dont keep the cold out unless the kennel is fully insulated. Boxers dont have thick coats so dont have a big hairy coat to keep them warm.0 -
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he's a dog, i don't believe in an "inside dog"
Niall you're going to have to try and believe in the concept of an inside dog,it's not that hard,just think of a husky and a boxer and see can you think of a reason why one might be called an outside dog and why one might not.
It would also help if you tried to understand how insulation works,you seem to think that it creates heat.
You seem to be quite attached to the whole kennel thing for some reason-I don't know why cos the air temp in it will be the same as outside and the carpet and pillows will be getting covered in dew every morning and night,it's basically a cold,damp box with an open door, covered in insulation,like a fridge.Not a place to put your young indoor puppy in if you want him to be healthy.
I know your vet told you blah blah this is because he will get to charge you a fortune for treatment in 4/5 years time when your boxers spine and joints start locking up with arthritis.
Anyway you obviously haven't had a boxer before so here's some info regarding them and temperature, that you might like to read if you're not too blinded by your ego in front of your bird
http://www.boxer-dogs-guide.com/keepingboxerdogswarmwinter.html
here's the lower temperatures for dec,all but 5 of the days for the month are considerably below 5 degrees,closer to 2 or 3 degrees,and will be until late April I'd say-so when you say he sleeps out most nights I'm hoping by "most" you actually mean "the odd time".
http://www.met.ie/climate/monthly_summarys/dec11sum.pdf
Also,don't be grouchy,it's no bother to let him sleep inside in the crate for a few months,you can let him sleep in the kennel then when it's warm enough for his age and breed type to sleep outdoors,I'm sure he'll love it then
but you really should have got an outdoors dog to be doing what you're doing.0 -
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Why on earth did you get a dog who at 5mths old you are leaving outside??2 days now since i've started to mix his food half and half, got a food off my mother that she gets in her vet's, Active Veterinary + i think it's called, it looks like nuts mixed with muesli Anyway, stopped all the treats and with swapping to the mix of food has done the trick. I also did as DBB said and when i put him to bed i went back in to check him a few times for the first 20 minutes so he knew i was still around.
The better thing is he actually much prefers the new food too
Thanks for the replys folks, have sorted the problems.
Oh and for the last 2 posters - the vet told us what temperatures are safe for dogs to be outside, think i'll listen to him... I'll listen to him about what temperatures a dog can sustain outside...0 -
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Poor dog.:(
Sure it's a dog's life....
Anyway due to your massive concern the dog now sleeps in the spare room. Amazing how a few nights outside can fix him pooing all over the back hall
His diarrhea has stopped so problem solved and no need for anyone more replys and you'll be delighted to know he's been back inside the last 3 nights and will be until it gets back over 5c or so at night and sorry to say but he'll be back outside... 0 -
Poor dog.:(
Sure it's a dog's life....
Anyway due to your massive concern the dog now sleeps in the spare room. Amazing how a few nights outside can fix him pooing all over the back hall
His diarrhea has stopped so problem solved and no need for anyone more replys and you'll be delighted to know he's been back inside the last 3 nights and will be until it gets back over 5c or so at night and sorry to say but he'll be back outside...
You know what niallm? I devoted a little part of my day the other day giving you advice and suggestions to help you deal with the problem you're having with your dog.
I am so disappointed with the attitude you've taken in this thread to people who are genuinely concerned about your dog's welfare, so much so that I'm truly sorry I bothered giving up my time to help you. You don't have to agree with what people are saying, but you could be a little less rude and sarcastic.
Lesson learned for me.0 -
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