The Sunday Game Thread

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 08-06-2014 9:52pm #1

Brendan Cummins making his debut (?) tonight (first time I've seen him on it anyway), doing a decent job but Loughnane taking over. Speaking of Loughnane, he made an interesting point about Johnny Ryan supposed to have gotten the AI replay last year but Cork not wanting him. Didn't know counties (or perhaps just Cork?) have such a say in things like that.

Boom__Boom · 08-06-2014 10:00pm

THFC wrote: »

Brendan Cummins making his debut (?) tonight (first time I've seen him on it anyway), doing a decent job but Loughnane taking over. Speaking of Loughnane, he made an interesting point about Johnny Ryan supposed to have gotten the AI replay last year but Cork not wanting him. Didn't know counties (or perhaps just Cork?) have such a say in things like that.

cough Frank Murphy cough

eigrod · 08-06-2014 10:02pm

THFC wrote: »

Brendan Cummins making his debut (?) tonight (first time I've seen him on it anyway), doing a decent job but Loughnane taking over. Speaking of Loughnane, he made an interesting point about Johnny Ryan supposed to have gotten the AI replay last year but Cork not wanting him. Didn't know counties (or perhaps just Cork?) have such a say in things like that.

He should be brought to book on that comment. When Cahill questioned him, he had absolutely no evidence to back up his allegations. Ridiculous to come out with something like that. You cannot use TV to make unsubstantiated allegations like that.

MisterAnarchy · 08-06-2014 10:08pm

Are these highlights supposed to be HD,they look atrocious .
When are RTE going to have the ability to edit HD footage for highlights ,its a joke at this stage.

adrian522 · 08-06-2014 10:10pm

Why do they split the hurling coverage between the start and the very end? Just to annoy people I guess.

keith16 · 08-06-2014 10:17pm

Graphics showing the players names on the "analysis" section are poor. Smacks of doing it for the sake of it / cos that's what they do on match of the day. Poor imitation.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 08-06-2014 10:21pm

eigrod wrote: »

He should be brought to book on that comment. When Cahill questioned him, he had absolutely no evidence to back up his allegations. Ridiculous to come out with something like that. You cannot use TV to make unsubstantiated allegations like that.

I'd say he'll receive at least a verbal warning for that, depending on how the Cork County Board take I imagine (total speculation) it could be taken a lot further. It was silly to say the least, regardless of the authenticity of the statement.

Diabhal Beag · 08-06-2014 10:23pm

Massive fan of Cummins and Loughnane wearing matching ties.

Sunnyisland · 08-06-2014 10:24pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Why do they split the hurling coverage between the start and the very end? Just to annoy people I guess.

To keep the hurling people watching the whole programe ??

Amprodude · 08-06-2014 10:24pm

THFC wrote: »

I'd say he'll receive at least a verbal warning for that, depending on how the Cork County Board take I imagine (total speculation) it could be taken a lot further. It was silly to say the least, regardless of the authenticity of the statement.

I hope they do. They have every right to,Loughnane is showing himself to be a pure windbag.

Mountainlad · 08-06-2014 10:25pm

Why would Cork have something against Johnny Ryan? I know hes terrible but so are most of them. James McGrath Id understand given Horgans sending off.

adrian522 · 08-06-2014 10:28pm

realies wrote: »

To keep the hurling people watching the whole programe ??

I guess so, in my case I'll be more likely to record it in future and skip to the bits I'm interested in rather than watching for 2 hours.

dastardly00 · 08-06-2014 10:48pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Why would Cork have something against Johnny Ryan? I know hes terrible but so are most of them. James McGrath Id understand given Horgans sending off.

I'm at a loss as well. I checked what refs Cork had during all of the 2013 championship. Johnny Ryan wasn't in charge of any of their matches.

Mountainlad · 08-06-2014 10:49pm

dastardly00 wrote: »

I'm at a loss as well. I checked what refs Cork had during all of the 2013 championship. Johnny Ryan wasn't in charge of any of their matches.

Sounds like he was stirring so. How did it come up anyway? Just on the red card?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 08-06-2014 10:51pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Sounds like he was stirring so. How did it come up anyway? Just on the red card?

They were talking about his performance iirc.

On another note I've been impressed with Tomas O' Sé, well able to speak!

PaddyCar wrote: »

Is Cavan Armagh game going to be on?

Should be on next.

Edit: No, after the Clare - Waterford game. Must be a lot to discuss :pac:

Say Your Number · 08-06-2014 10:57pm

That fella reporting on the Armagh Cavan game sounds eerily like Tommy Gorman.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 08-06-2014 11:07pm

Say Your Number wrote: »

That fella reporting on the Armagh Cavan game sounds eerily like Tommy Gorman.

I think it was Tommy Gorman.

Say Your Number · 08-06-2014 11:10pm

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I think it was Tommy Gorman.

I'm not sure, it said Austin O'Callaghan was the name of the reporter, Des also mentioned it was Austin's report, probably just an error on RTE's part.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 08-06-2014 11:13pm

Say Your Number wrote: »

I'm not sure, it said Austin O'Callaghan was the name of the reporter, Des also mentioned it was Austin's report, probably just an error on RTE's part.

Your probably right.Austin O'Callaghan is the BBC's GAA presenter.

rebel girl 15 · 08-06-2014 11:40pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Sounds like he was stirring so. How did it come up anyway? Just on the red card?

dastardly00 wrote: »

I'm at a loss as well. I checked what refs Cork had during all of the 2013 championship. Johnny Ryan wasn't in charge of any of their matches.

Loughnane was completely stirring - rubbish completely. Brian Gavin took charge of the first game, with James McGrath as the standby referee, the replay saw those two reverse roles for the replay, which is the norm afaik when replays happen in any game. Johnny Ryan was the linesman for both games. Probably got it from the fact that McGrath had sent Horgan off and it was reversed, so reckoned he would be easier on Cork having sent Horgan off in the Munster final rather than Ryan - load of rubbish tbh

Neeson · 09-06-2014 12:52am

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Your probably right.Austin O'Callaghan is the BBC's GAA presenter.

It was Austin:

RTE must not have bothered to send anyone up to Armagh.

Lapin · 09-06-2014 5:39am

Neeson wrote: »

It was Austin:

RTE must not have bothered to send anyone up to Armagh.

What's the point? The BBC cover games up there, (it being the UK and all).

RTÉ take their coverage from them.

IrishAlice · 09-06-2014 4:10pm

THFC wrote: »

Brendan Cummins making his debut (?) tonight (first time I've seen him on it anyway), doing a decent job but Loughnane taking over. Speaking of Loughnane, he made an interesting point about Johnny Ryan supposed to have gotten the AI replay last year but Cork not wanting him. Didn't know counties (or perhaps just Cork?) have such a say in things like that.

Cummins was on once before with Donal Og, think it was after the league final possibly.

I thought he was very good that night, very insightful and great at pointing out the tactics involved in each teams play.

Loughnane was stirring it as usual, he's great at generating controversy.

It was funny actually because he was saying a lot of positive stuff about Kilkenny and my instant thought was what is his end game

Grats · 09-06-2014 4:21pm

IrishAlice wrote: »

Cummins was on once before with Donal Og, think it was after the league final possibly.

I thought he was very good that night, very insightful and great at pointing out the tactics involved in each teams play.

Loughnane was stirring it as usual, he's great at generating controversy.

It was funny actually because he was saying a lot of positive stuff about Kilkenny and my instant thought was what is his end game

Just like many others, a sure sign that they think Kilkenny are finished.

Gary Neville · 09-06-2014 10:40pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Why would Cork have something against Johnny Ryan? I know hes terrible but so are most of them. James McGrath Id understand given Horgans sending off.

Ryan reffed the Cork v Waterford drawn game in 2010. he gave a very dubious free against Cork, late on when Brian Murphy went up to block a ball - it looked perfectly legal and everyone in Thurles was surprised that Ryan pinged him. Waterford were 3 pts down and went for goal, it was saved and Tony Browne goaled the rebound.

Big Dan got the winning goal in the replay. Ryan would not be a popular ref in Cork but neither would Barry Kelly, Brian Gavin (since Sept) Marty Duffy and Anthony Nolan.

I think it was bad form from Loughnane and Des Cahill should have pulled him up on it.

JeffKenna · 09-06-2014 10:44pm

Gary Neville wrote: »

Ryan reffed the Cork v Waterford drawn game in 2010. he gave a very dubious free against Cork, late on when Brian Murphy went up to block a ball - it looked perfectly legal and everyone in Thurles was surprised that Ryan pinged him. Waterford were 3 pts down and went for goal, it was saved and Tony Browne goaled the rebound.

I think the incident you're referring to is when Brian Murphy dragged Mullane down completely off the ball. Not sure how you've made it how to be a 'block'. I've never heard one cork person complain about that incident, well considering Murphy's reputation it would be hard to!

Mountainlad · 09-06-2014 10:50pm

Gary Neville wrote: »

Ryan reffed the Cork v Waterford drawn game in 2010. he gave a very dubious free against Cork, late on when Brian Murphy went up to block a ball - it looked perfectly legal and everyone in Thurles was surprised that Ryan pinged him. Waterford were 3 pts down and went for goal, it was saved and Tony Browne goaled the rebound.

Big Dan got the winning goal in the replay. Ryan would not be a popular ref in Cork but neither would Barry Kelly, Brian Gavin (since Sept) Marty Duffy and Anthony Nolan.

I think it was bad form from Loughnane and Des Cahill should have pulled him up on it.

The very first time I saw him was 2008 when he allowed a square ball goal in Corks favour jn a league match in Walsh Park. Didn't realize he reffed the 2010 Minster final. To be honest hes very poor but in my opinion the only decent ref going is James Owens.

Agreed. He probably got the reaction he wanted though.

JeffKenna · 09-06-2014 10:53pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

The very first time I saw him was 2008 when he allowed a square ball goal in Corks favour jn a league match in Walsh Park. Didn't realize he reffed the 2010 Minster final. To be honest hes very poor but in my opinion the only decent ref going is James Owens.

Agreed. He probably got the reaction he wanted though.

He didn't. Brian Gavin did.

Grats · 09-06-2014 11:17pm

James Owens allowed a Waterford square ball against Kilkenny last year and another one for Tipp in the League Final!

citykat · 10-06-2014 12:54am

Gary Neville wrote: »

Ryan reffed the Cork v Waterford drawn game in 2010. he gave a very dubious free against Cork, late on when Brian Murphy went up to block a ball - it looked perfectly legal and everyone in Thurles was surprised that Ryan pinged him. Waterford were 3 pts down and went for goal, it was saved and Tony Browne goaled the rebound.

Big Dan got the winning goal in the replay. Ryan would not be a popular ref in Cork but neither would Barry Kelly, Brian Gavin (since Sept) Marty Duffy and Anthony Nolan.

I think it was bad form from Loughnane and Des Cahill should have pulled him up on it.

Barry Kelly had a major bearing on the outcome of KK Vs Cork last year. His decision was subsequently rescinded. If that didn't ingratiate him to the Cork fans nothing ever will.

Gary Neville · 10-06-2014 1:14am

citykat wrote: »

Barry Kelly had a major bearing on the outcome of KK Vs Cork last year. His decision was subsequently rescinded. If that didn't ingratiate him to the Cork fans nothing ever will.

You are right - Kelly has gone up in the ratings on Leeside for that and another few games - his stock was low after some bad calls a few years ago.

Grats · 10-06-2014 3:54pm

citykat wrote: »

Barry Kelly had a major bearing on the outcome of KK Vs Cork last year. His decision was subsequently rescinded. If that didn't ingratiate him to the Cork fans nothing ever will.

Yes, and amusingly very little, if any, debate on the Sunday Game about Kelly. At least Cork did win last Sunday despite the ref!

rebs23 · 10-06-2014 4:03pm

Jesus the amount of conspiracy theories about Cork is amazing.
We beat KK last year because we were better than them?
As for refs, every county has grievances about every ref!!

IrishAlice · 10-06-2014 4:09pm

rebs23 wrote: »

Jesus the amount of conspiracy theories about Cork is amazing.
We beat KK last year because we were better than them?
As for refs, every county has grievances about every ref!!

Overall yes Cork were better than us in that match last year.

BUT Barry Kelly did make some questionable calls, one in particular was giving Henry Shefflin two yellows which was later proven when the second yellow was rescinded.

You're dead right about every county having grievances about refs, I'm very vocal on my dislike of Barry Kelly because I think he has a blatant anti Kilkenny agenda.

rebs23 · 10-06-2014 4:13pm

IrishAlice wrote: »

Overall yes Cork were better than us in that match last year.

BUT Barry Kelly did make some questionable calls, one in particular was giving Henry Shefflin two yellows which was later proven when the second yellow was rescinded.

You're dead right about every county having grievances about refs, I'm very vocal on my dislike of Barry Kelly because I think he has a blatant anti Kilkenny agenda.

I think it is just down to a general view in officialdom that they want more open type play in Hurling and Football. Its better for the viewers!
Thats the way soccer has gone all over the world and the same thing is happening in the GAA. Less of the rough stuff or manly hurling as you call it in KK:D
Don't think it is down to individual refs. You could argue they all are as equally good/bad.
As for the Sunday Game, it was absolutely chronic last Sunday night.

IrishAlice · 10-06-2014 4:20pm

rebs23 wrote: »

I think it is just down to a general view in officialdom that they want more open type play in Hurling and Football. Its better for the viewers!
Thats the way soccer has gone all over the world and the same thing is happening in the GAA. Less of the rough stuff or manly hurling as you call it in KK:D
Don't think it is down to individual refs. You could argue they all are as equally good/bad.
As for the Sunday Game, it was absolutely chronic last Sunday night.

Now that you mention it I can't name a ref that I think is absolutely brilliant and above the others

Cork were playing plenty of "manly hurling" on Sunday! Heard the Waterford manager said the players were bullied around the pitch

Grats · 10-06-2014 4:28pm

Less of the rough stuff and manly hurling! Nobody can have an issue with rough stuff and manly hurling surely - it is HURLING we're talking about here. Don't confuse it with dirt like Shane O'Neill got away with last year on two occasions.

Mountainlad · 10-06-2014 7:29pm

Grats wrote: »

James Owens allowed a Waterford square ball against Kilkenny last year and another one for Tipp in the League Final!

Did he? I don't think you mentioned that before. Forgot he was an umpire too.

Grats · 10-06-2014 8:50pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Did he? I don't think you mentioned that before. Forgot he was an umpire too.

Don't like moaning on about refs, they do their best, don't they? The ref has the final decision - don't they?

Mountainlad · 10-06-2014 9:42pm

Grats wrote: »

Don't like moaning on about refs, they do their best, don't they? The ref has the final decision - don't they?

Very big of you

Grats · 10-06-2014 10:27pm

Mountainlad wrote: »

Very big of you

How did you know? Yeah, 6 foot 5!

dastardly00 · 06-07-2014 10:59pm

Anybody watching the Sunday Game?
They've gone super fancy with a graph of 'scores' vs 'time' for the Wexford-Clare match!

Rightwing · 06-07-2014 11:03pm

Cork badly need silverware. I'm expecting the ref to blow Limerick off the field the nexy day.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 06-07-2014 11:05pm

dastardly00 wrote: »

Anybody watching the Sunday Game?
They've gone super fancy with a graph of 'scores' vs 'time' for the Wexford-Clare match!

Yeah it's quality, an oul pie chart wouldn't go astray now before the end.

adrian522 · 16-07-2014 11:13am

Pretty embarrassing that neither Eddie Brennan nor Donal O Cusack seemed to know the rules for the black card given they were advocating it being brought in for hurling.

A 2nd yellow was deemed to harsh but a black card would be the ideal solution was the general gist of the conversation. Amazed somebody at RTE wasn't able to point out that if you are already on a yellow a black card is essentially the same as a second yellow and you would not be able to bring on a replacement.

It actually beggars belief that the conversation was able to go in that direction with somebody pulling them up about it. Ollie Canning chiming in with the same thing again today in the paper.

nice_guy80 · 16-07-2014 12:15pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Pretty embarrassing that neither Eddie Brennan nor Donal O Cusack seemed to know the rules for the black card given they were advocating it being brought in for hurling.

A 2nd yellow was deemed to harsh but a black card would be the ideal solution was the general gist of the conversation. Amazed somebody at RTE wasn't able to point out that if you are already on a yellow a black card is essentially the same as a second yellow and you would not be able to bring on a replacement.

It actually beggars belief that the conversation was able to go in that direction with somebody pulling them up about it. Ollie Canning chiming in with the same thing again today in the paper.

yeah.
crazy that two different sets of rules were introduced

Martin567 · 16-07-2014 12:41pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Pretty embarrassing that neither Eddie Brennan nor Donal O Cusack seemed to know the rules for the black card given they were advocating it being brought in for hurling.

A 2nd yellow was deemed to harsh but a black card would be the ideal solution was the general gist of the conversation. Amazed somebody at RTE wasn't able to point out that if you are already on a yellow a black card is essentially the same as a second yellow and you would not be able to bring on a replacement.

It actually beggars belief that the conversation was able to go in that direction with somebody pulling them up about it. Ollie Canning chiming in with the same thing again today in the paper.

Could it not be the case that they meant a black card might have been given for the first offence?

In that case, the player would leave the field but his team would still have 15 men. He then wouldn't be on the field to commit a second offence and potentially reduce his team to 14 men.

adrian522 · 16-07-2014 1:27pm

Martin567 wrote: »

Could it not be the case that they meant a black card might have been given for the first offence?

In that case, the player would leave the field but his team would still have 15 men. He then wouldn't be on the field to commit a second offence and potentially reduce his team to 14 men.

It could be but the example they were quoting was Brown dragging down mcGovern and subsequently getting sent off for a 2nd yellow.

I don't think they were suggesting a black card for the first offence. They seemed to be saying it was too much pressure to put on the referee when a player already had a yellow and he does something like that. Would a black card not be a better middle ground than producing a second yellow.

That was the impression I took from it anyway.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 03-08-2014 10:21pm

So according to McHugh O' Donoghue is already better that Gooch.. Laughable tbh..

c_man · 03-08-2014 10:27pm

Ha, controversial alright

But tbh, the night time analysis is so superior to the live panelists imo. Proper analysis of the game with no adversarial jibes (e.g. Joe and his NAMA slagging today).

Nidgeweasel · 03-08-2014 10:45pm

Has rte player crashed for anyone?

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