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chocaholic04 wrote: »Think you have a misprint Waterford on 8635 lower than cork 8642. Either that or Waterford are 4th?
Thanks! They actually have 8685, I'd actually just spent almost two hours working on a similar ranking system but with a 1990 start point (as opposed to 2004/5 on the system I've been running). I've completed up to the end of the 2010 season now but my head is melted from all the number crunchung/typing etc. thus my typo (could well be a few more but the positions are definitely accurate). Should be finished in a week or two and I'll post some sort of analysis based on the data by the end of the month.
I wanted to look into a 25 year trend for the rankings, and thanks to the poster "Al Monds" I have been able to access a fairly comprehensive results archive. It appears to work quite well but 1998 is a season which makes an absolute mockery of the points exchange system as the final standings at the end of 1998 were bizarre to say the least.
My compliments to laoisman11, he has done remarkable work on the football rankings, some of his recent posts in the football thread are fantastic, makes what I'm doing seem woefully lazy by comparison
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Position|previous|change|Team|Points
1st |(1)|=|TIPPERARY|8849
2nd |(2)|=|KILKENNY|8799
3rd |(3)|=|WATERFORD|8559
4th |(4)|=|CORK|8518
5th |(5)|=|DUBLIN|8479
6th |(8)|+2|LIMERICK|8199
7th |(6)|-1|GALWAY|8178
8th |(7)|-1|CLARE|8088
9th |(9)|=|WEXFORD|7824
10th |(10)|=|OFFALY|7498
11th |(11)|=|LAOIS|7112
12th |(12)|=|WESTMEATH|6634
13th |(14)|+1|KERRY|6610
14th |(13)|-1|ANTRIM|6493
15th |(15)|=|CARLOW|6468
16th |(16)|=|KILDARE|6293
17th |(19)|+2|DOWN|5930
18th |(18)|=|DERRY|5922
19th |(17)|-2|LONDON|5741
20th |(20)|=|MEATH|5634
21st |(21)|=|WICKLOW|5524
22nd |(22)|=|ARMAGH|5235
23rd |(23)|=|MAYO|4905
24th |(25)|+1|ROSCOMMON|4700
25th |(26)|+1|DONEGAL|4622
26th |(24)|-2|TYRONE|4480
27th |(27)|=|FINGAL|4104
28th |(28)|=|MONAGHAN|3807
29th |(30)|+1|FERMANAGH|3489
30th |(31)|+1|LONGFORD|3489
31st |(29)|-2|LOUTH|3386
32nd |(32)|=|WARWICKSHIRE|3089
33rd |(34)|+1|SLIGO|2966
34th |(35)|+1|LEITRIM|2705
35th |(33)|-2|LANCASHIRE|2672
Sorry for being a bit light on updates of late, real life kind of hectic at the moment! Antrim are now on course for their worst end of year finish since 2001 when Derry reigned supreme in Ulster, they will need a few results to go their way in the next month but they can also reclaim some of the ground they have lost in next month's Ulster championship.
Limerick move back into the top 6 but Clare after just one win in their last 11 competitive games are now in 8th.
LEINSTER SHC
DUBLIN (5) -V- GALWAY (7)
Galway games are always difficult to call, unfortunately more often than not they disappoint but they are capable of beating anyone on their day. Quite how Anthony Cunningham still has that job is a mystery to me. Dublin now have their own Cunningham in charge, there have been signs of rejuvenation since he took over from Daly but a largely positive league campaign has been soured by two defeats to Cork; one being an annihilation and the other a disappointing capitulation in a game they really should have won.
Result based on current rating; Dublin by 3.
I'd support this. Galway have the most outstanding player of the two but Dublin have the better overall XV, and of the Cunningham's I'd back Ger over Anthony all day long.
CHRISTY RING CUP
KILDARE (16) -v- KERRY (13)
Kerry's reward for qualifying undefeated is a trip to reigning champions Kildare who came via the backdoor after their first round defeat after a replay at home to London. Home advantage is generally a major factor in Ring/Rackard hurling. Both teams had positive league campaigns, like when they met last year Kerry are the form team but that didn't stop Kildare turning the tables when they met in the final.
Result based on current rating; DRAW.
Kerry are ahead but once the 300 points are added to Kildare for home advantage they are close enough so that they are in range for a draw. Personally, I am leaning more towards Kerry to sneak it.
DERRY (18) -v- DOWN (17)
Derry have had the better year of the two so far after a mid table place in 2A of the league with Down doing likewise in 2B while Derry reached the semi final undefeated with Down coming back after a first round defeat to Kerry. Both teams have near identical rating points.
Result based on current rating; Derry by 3.
I'd tentatively agree with this but I can't say I have any real knowledge of either team aside from naming a small handful of their better players. Unfortunately these competitions suffer from a lack of tv coverage, not even getting a quick round up on the Sunday game. I'd suspect that the eventual winner of the competition will come from the other semi final but lets not forget that Down actually won this competition in 2013, no reason they can't do it again.
LORY MEAGHER CUP
SLIGO (33) -v- FERMANAGH (29)
Most likely a warm up for a final between the two teams next month. Fermanagh have been a cut above the other four Meagher Cup teams and it would be a major surprise were they not to continue asserting their superiority this weekend. Sligo more than likely qualified but they will need to keep the margin of any potential Fermanagh victory down, as a heavy Sligo defeat combined with a heavy Warwickshire win in the other tie (and a 32 point swing in points difference) will lead to Warwickshire stealing the second place in the final.
Result based on current rating; Fermanagh by 3
Probably a fair assessment.
WARWICKSHIRE (32) -v- LANCASHIRE (35)
A real glamour tie this one
A novel derby brings together new boys Lancashire and Warwickshire. Lancashire put in two respectable performances in their opening two games before suffering a heavy defeat to Sligo. Warwickshire's greater experience should see them through here, the question is; do they feel they can win by a big enough margin to put pressure on Sligo for 2nd place and a shot at reclaiming the trophy they won in 2013?
Result based on current rating; Warwickshire by 7
A lot depends on whether Warwickshire feel the required turnaround is actually realistic, I'd back them to win by more than the 7 point prediction but I highly doubt they'll claim second place.0 -
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purplepanda wrote: »So where exactly are Cavan in the hurling rankings?
Cavan are basically excluded as they haven't played competitive hurling since 2011 in the National Hurling League, they pulled out ahead of that years Lory Meagher Cup and will not return until further notice. They underwent a review of sorts and have focused on underage development which has yielded modest success so far by their standards. They will return once they feel they are able to perform to an acceptable standard of competitiveness. They finished last in the rankings at the end of each season for ten seasons in a row from 2001 to 2010.
Where are they in the rankings? Once they do return they will start from where they left off; last place with 2408 points.
Incidentally, there are two other teams who are similarly in a state of suspension.
South Down; introduced in 2008 as a development team for players in the county not based in the Ards peninsula, South Down were a competitive Lory Meagher standard side. The Down county board pulled the plug at the end of 2011 when South Down finished 31st out of 36 counties at the time. Their points total of 3435 would leave them in 30th place in the current table, that would be their points total should they return but unless I'm mistaken the South Down experiment is done and we won't be seeing them again.
New York; New York in the 1990's generally played the winners of the All-Ireland B championship for the right to meet Galway in an All-Ireland quarter final. Once the backdoor was introduced, New York took a hiatus for a few years before they returned in the Ulster championship. In general, the trend was that they played one game a season (almost always a defeat) but in 2006 they caused a major upset when they defeated Derry to win a spot in the Ulster final.
However, controversy was to follow. It seems to be set in stone that the Ulster showpiece is to take place in Casement Park in Belfast which meant that New York, who otherwise always played in New York just as they do in the Connacht football championship, would have to travel to Belfast. But some New York players were concerned that if they made the trip to Ireland that they would not be allowed gain re-entry to the USA as in some cases their immigration status wasn't entirely legal (allegedly
), and there were other logistical issues that stood in New York's way. Evetually, a compromise was reached and the 2006 Ulster hurling final was played later that year in October in Boston, with Antrim claiming yet another title. Following all that hassle New York have not played in the Ulster championship since.
Their ranking points total was 5656 which would place them in 20th on the present table.0 -
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