Non book reader and want book information/questions thread - No direct spoilers

Nody · 08-06-2015 4:27pm #1

Ok; I keep seeing questions popping up in the "Non book reader" thread about how does this tie in with the book etc. or what's the point of story line X?!

To try to help answer these questions I'm creating a new thread; this is for non book readers and book readers and will contain spoilers. How ever any answers to any questions posted by the book posters have to use the

This is a spoiler

tags. That's [ SPOILER] Whatever you type [ /SPOILER] without the spaces.

Any answers should quote the post you're answering; your answer in spoilers to make it possible for non book readers only to read the answers they want to read; hence it should look like this:

Poster Name wrote:

What's the point with Bran's story line?

To annoy you to death

This will make sure people can read the thread and only spoiler the answers they care about; it also means the answers have to tie directly to the question at hand. Please try to keep the general chit chat down and limit it to answering the question and only the question (i.e. don't start an argument over who's right or wrong please!).

Putting it as sticky for now for visibility (and if someone has a better name for the thread I'm all for it :P )

mikefoxo · 08-06-2015 8:02pm

How can Sansa marry Ramsey if she's already married to Tyrion?

Digital Solitude · 08-06-2015 8:04pm

mikefoxo wrote: »

How can Sansa marry Ramsey if she's already married to Tyrion?

The marriage was never consummated

theteal · 09-06-2015 8:35am

mikefoxo wrote: »

How can Sansa marry Ramsey if she's already married to Tyrion?

The book answer is

that she doesn't marry Ramsay. Its Jeyne Poole, who did appear in season 1 of the TV show iirc

This is the proper poiler bit - The reason for this is

that Arya still hasn't surfaced in Westeros so the Lannisters have sent Jeyne up north pretending she's Arya (who's gonna say different, nobody has seen her in years?). "Arya" is betrothed to Ramsay to solidify a Stark/Bolton union for much the same reasons as the Sansa/Ramsay TV version.

Digital Solitude · 09-06-2015 10:37am

Or that :pac: Completely forgot that part

DeadHand · 09-06-2015 5:10pm

Not really spoilery but, how much is known about the parents of the famous Baratheon siblings? In terms of history and personality? The three boys were so different it'd be interesting to know what the parents were like.

amos13 · 09-06-2015 5:38pm

DeadHand wrote:

Not really spoilery but, how much is known about the parents of the famous Baratheon siblings? In terms of history and personality? The three boys were so different it'd be interesting to know what the parents were like.

Steffon Baratheon and Cassana Estermont, little is known about them aside from their ship capsized just before the shore at storms end and their bodies were never recovered

catallus · 09-06-2015 6:07pm

Someone died in episode 9 which upset a lot of people

Shireen died in the last episode (ep9) Is she dead in the books? I read a comment on another website. Is this true?

; did this happen in the books as well?

Digital Solitude · 09-06-2015 6:18pm

Please spoiler that Catallus, not everyone has watched the episode yet.

She is still alive in the books

iamanengine · 09-06-2015 8:03pm

Is Varys coming back?

Mormegil · 09-06-2015 8:21pm

iamanengine wrote: »

Is Varys coming back?

He'll probably be in Ep 10. There's a scene he's involved with in the books which will likely take place in the finale.

theteal · 09-06-2015 8:22pm

iamanengine wrote: »

Is Varys coming back?

He pops up in the epilogue of the latest book and does some stuff. . .

gazzamc · 10-06-2015 10:31am

Quoting this from the none book readers thread

I'm not a book reader btw but this season feels as though they've gone away from the source material and made their own ****e up.. It doesn't really feel the same as the last few seasons.. Any book readers want to chime in here? Have they? Or is it the case of cutting a lot of sub plots out to progress the main one faster (fit it into a certain amount of seasons) I'm not asking for spoilers just want to know

Mickeroo · 10-06-2015 10:35am

gazzamc wrote: »

Quoting this from the none book readers thread

I'm not a book reader btw but this season feels as though they've gone away from the source material and made their own ****e up.. It doesn't really feel the same as the last few seasons.. Any book readers want to chime in here? Have they? Or is it the case of cutting a lot of sub plots out to progress the main one faster (fit it into a certain amount of seasons) I'm not asking for spoilers just want to know

Very few storylines resemble the book at this stage. Dany and Jon are probably the most faithful but even then there's been changes (she still hasn't met Tyrion in the book, Ser Barriston is still alive and the battle for hardhome never happened, or at least hasn't yet for example).

Michael D Not Higgins · 10-06-2015 11:18am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Very few storylines resemble the book at this stage. Dany and Jon are probably the most faithful but even then there's been changes (she still hasn't met Tyrion in the book, Ser Barriston is still alive and the battle for hardhome never happened, or at least hasn't yet for example).

Hardhome was evacuated without Jon in the books and didn't go down in a battle as far as I remember

Mickeroo · 10-06-2015 11:46am

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Hardhome was evacuated without Jon in the books and didn't go do in a battle as far as I remember

Yeah he sent someone else away to get the wildlings, but from what I remember they hadn't arrived back yet so we don't actually know what happened there thus far?

amos13 · 10-06-2015 12:03pm

gazzamc wrote:

I'm not a book reader btw but this season feels as though they've gone away from the source material and made their own ****e up.. It doesn't really feel the same as the last few seasons.. Any book readers want to chime in here? Have they? Or is it the case of cutting a lot of sub plots out to progress the main one faster (fit it into a certain amount of seasons) I'm not asking for spoilers just want to know

it is very different. This season has pretty much been entirely written by D&D, with the intention of converging the stories again in the latter stages of the story. Eg, Sansa stays in the vale, Hizdahr doesn't die at the pits but becomes king and rules Meereen now Dany is gone, Littlefinger never returns to KL, Shireen is alive and at the relative safety of the wall. The biggest change that annoys me tbh seems to be mentioned little by other posters- the importance of Ghost at the wall with Jon.

Vojera · 10-06-2015 12:11pm

Does Arya's direwolf Nymeria ever come back?

Michael D Not Higgins · 10-06-2015 12:14pm

Vojera wrote: »

Does Arya's direwolf Nymeria ever come back?

Short answer, yes. Longer answer, Nymeria is with a pack of wolves roaming the Riverlands and attacking forces loyal to the crown. Arya sometimes has dreams of Nymeria with her pack.

Mickeroo · 10-06-2015 12:15pm

Vojera wrote: »

Does Arya's direwolf Nymeria ever come back?

before reading this you should know I reveal a fact about the Starks that has been completely omitted from the show.

In the book she never really went away, Arya regularly wargs (just like Bran) into her during her dreams through-out the books. Some characters in Westeros also mention in passing a particularly fierce pack of wolves roaming the Riverlands iirc.

Vojera · 10-06-2015 12:20pm

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Short answer, yes. Longer answer, Nymeria is with a pack of wolves roaming the Riverlands and attacking forces loyal to the crown. Arya sometimes has dreams of Nymeria with her pack.

Mickeroo wrote: »

In the book she never really went away, Arya regularly wargs (just like Bran) into her during her dreams through-out the books. Some characters in Westeros also mention in passing a particularly fierce pack of wolves roaming the Riverlands iirc.

Interesting.

awec · 11-06-2015 2:31pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Very few storylines resemble the book at this stage. Dany and Jon are probably the most faithful but even then there's been changes (she still hasn't met Tyrion in the book, Ser Barriston is still alive and the battle for hardhome never happened, or at least hasn't yet for example).

massive bits of the Dany storyline have been left out. Kings Landing has been fairly accurate I think so far.

Essien · 15-06-2015 10:21am

Is there much left in the books that could be considered spoiler-ish for non book readers or would the missing parts be more about fleshing out certain storylines/characters etc? I suppose what I'm really asking is is it now safe to read stuff like social media comments and ASOIAF wiki pages without having season 6 spoiled?

Mickeroo · 15-06-2015 10:27am

Essien wrote: »

Is there much left in the books that could be considered spoiler-ish for non book readers or would the missing parts be more about fleshing out certain storylines/characters etc? I suppose what I'm really asking is is it now safe to read stuff like social media comments and ASOIAF wiki pages without having season 6 spoiled?

Yeah you're pretty much good to go, everyone's in the dark about where it goes next now.

Nody · 15-06-2015 10:27am

Essien wrote: »

Is there much left in the books that could be considered spoiler-ish for non book readers or would the missing parts be more about fleshing out certain storylines/characters etc? I suppose what I'm really asking is is it now safe to read stuff like social media comments and ASOIAF wiki pages without having season 6 spoiled?

Most arcs are within a chapter or two of the series at this stage; biggest spoilers would probably be around Bran. There are also significant disparities between the books and the series at this stage and side characters with arcs not shown in the series yet which could still show up in season 6.

Michael D Not Higgins · 15-06-2015 10:29am

Essien wrote: »

Is there much left in the books that could be considered spoiler-ish for non book readers or would the missing parts be more about fleshing out certain storylines/characters etc? I suppose what I'm really asking is is it now safe to read stuff like social media comments and ASOIAF wiki pages without having season 6 spoiled?

There are a number of hinted to theories and other elements of the plot that either haven't happened in the show or have yet to happen. It's safe to say that there could be spoilers out there. The book readers like discussing potential developments based on the clues in the books. Some are more accepeted than others but none are gospel til George writes them.

LFC CONNAUGHTON · 15-06-2015 10:52pm

In the book did Theon and Sansa survive the jump? And are there any hints towards a resurrection for Jon?

Digital Solitude · 15-06-2015 10:54pm

LFC CONNAUGHTON wrote: »

In the book did Theon and Sansa survive the jump? And are there any hints towards a resurrection for Jon?

There is no jump, Ramsey marries Jeyne Poole in the books, so Sansa is never there. And Yes, assuming you don't want me to give it away.

Washington Irving · 15-06-2015 11:01pm

LFC CONNAUGHTON wrote: »

In the book did Theon and Sansa survive the jump? And are there any hints towards a resurrection for Jon?

Digital Solitude wrote: »

There is no jump, Ramsey marries Jeyne Poole in the books, so Sansa is never there. And Yes, assuming you don't want me to give it away.

Re: Sansa and Theon

Well, there is a jump, but it involves the seemingly cut Jeyne Poole rather than Sansa, they do survive by landing in the snow filled trench/moat but the height is described lower in the book.

Digital Solitude · 15-06-2015 11:02pm

Spoiler your post, its giving it away.

He wargs into Ghost, possibly! It's one of the very last chapters of ADwD and after the stabbing, Ghost opens his eyes

ShaneU · 15-06-2015 11:06pm

Is Brann and Rickon's story any further in the books?

LFC CONNAUGHTON · 15-06-2015 11:08pm

Deleted instead of adding spoiler tags by mistake,

Witcher · 15-06-2015 11:08pm

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Spoiler your post, its giving it away.

He wargs into Ghost, possibly! It's one of the very last chapters of ADwD and after the stabbing, Ghost opens his eyes

Ghost doesn't open his eyes, Jon just calls out for him.

Digital Solitude · 15-06-2015 11:10pm

Strider wrote: »

Ghost doesn't open his eyes, Jon just calls out for him.

It's been a few years, thought I read that on boards lately, read this LFC Conn

Digital Solitude · 15-06-2015 11:11pm

ShaneU wrote: »

Is Brann and Rickon's story any further in the books?

A little further, probably less than 10 mintues of screen time to catch up.

LFC CONNAUGHTON · 15-06-2015 11:12pm

digital solitude wrote:

Is there any mention of what happens if someone dies while warging in the book?

Digital Solitude · 15-06-2015 11:15pm

LFC CONNAUGHTON wrote: »

Is there any mention of what happens if someone dies while warging in the book?

Open to correction, but when Orell (The wilding Warg) dies, he wargs into his owl and attacks Jon, can't remember if it happens in the show. There's another Warg who is dying, and he too wargs into a wolf before his human body dies. It's a prologue chapter I don't remember more of, but I think he is killed regardless with no further explanation. Orell isn't mentioned again iirc

LFC CONNAUGHTON · 15-06-2015 11:18pm

Digital Solitude wrote:

That sounds like some serious foreshadowing, will have to catch up on the books before season 6.

Digital Solitude · 15-06-2015 11:21pm

LFC CONNAUGHTON wrote: »

Digital Solitude wrote:

That sounds like some serious foreshadowing so. Will have to catch up on the books before season 6.

He was a wilding, who had a Warg teacher or some ****, and he said how the worst thing he could do was warg into a human, which he then attempts to do. I believe it was opening the morality of Bran warging into Hodor in the tower, when the Wilding's discover he's not with them, and again when Bran and Co are attacked by the skeleton things in the Lands of Always Winter, when Jojen Reed is killed

Nody · 16-06-2015 6:58am

LFC CONNAUGHTON wrote: »

Is there any mention of what happens if someone dies while warging in the book?

They get stuck in the body of the animal and slowly lose their humanity over time. There's a passage about the children of the forest used to warg into the ravens (hence the reason ravens were used as messengers as the children of the forest could speak the message due to controlling them) and that you can still feel the spirit of the children in the birds.

Riskymove · 16-06-2015 9:09am

amos13 wrote: »

it is very different. This season has pretty much been entirely written by D&D, with the intention of converging the stories again in the latter stages of the story. Eg, Sansa stays in the vale, Hizdahr doesn't die at the pits but becomes king and rules Meereen now Dany is gone, Littlefinger never returns to KL, Shireen is alive and at the relative safety of the wall. The biggest change that annoys me tbh seems to be mentioned little by other posters- the importance of Ghost at the wall with Jon.

The big issue with this storyline for me is

the addition of Hardhome in the Show and the zombie army etc.

In the book this hasn't happened and Jon didn't go so it is more realistic that the watch are brooding over the situation and take this course of action

In the show, relay they should all be consumed about what happened at Hardhome and what is coming at them. They should really be more sold on the idea of needing the wildlings.

brevity · 16-06-2015 3:08pm

Riskymove wrote: »

The big issue with this storyline for me is
the addition of Hardhome in the Show and the zombie army etc.

In the book this hasn't happened and Jon didn't go so it is more realistic that the watch are brooding over the situation and take this course of action

In the show, relay they should all be consumed about what happened at Hardhome and what is coming at them. They should really be more sold on the idea of needing the wildlings.

I wonder would it have been an idea to have a band of the white walkers attack Castle Black, to kinda press home this idea (that they need the wildlings) or even have Hardhome earlier in the series so that there was time for the rest of The Watchers to come to terms with what was coming.

Vojera · 16-06-2015 3:40pm

How did Dorne end up joining the Seven Kingdoms? I remember either Tywin or Oberyn (or someone) mentioning that the Dornish never fell to the Targaryens and their dragons but I can't remember them mentioning how they eventually joined the rest of them. And are there really any strong ties in place? Dorne seems more culturally distinct than any of the other Westerosi regions and geographically it's pretty isolated as well. It seems to me that what happens in the rest of the Seven Kingdoms wouldn't be that important to them.

And why are they allowed to call themselves 'Prince' and 'Princess' for any particular reason when they technically bend the knee to whoever is in Kingslanding?

Mormegil · 16-06-2015 3:45pm

Vojera wrote: »

How did Dorne end up joining the Seven Kingdoms? I remember either Tywin or Oberyn (or someone) mentioning that the Dornish never fell to the Targaryens and their dragons but I can't remember them mentioning how they eventually joined the rest of them. And are there really any strong ties in place? Dorne seems more culturally distinct than any of the other Westerosi regions and geographically it's pretty isolated as well. It seems to me that what happens in the rest of the Seven Kingdoms wouldn't be that important to them.

And why are they allowed to call themselves 'Prince' and 'Princess' for any particular reason when they technically bend the knee to whoever is in Kingslanding?

Through Marriage. A Targ Princess (an earlier Daenerys Targaryen in fact) married the then Prince of Dorne. As they were never actually conqured they were allowed to retain their own titles.

Vojera · 19-06-2016 12:28am

Has there ever been a manifestation of the power of the god of the Seven? We've seen that R'hllor, the Old Gods and the Many-Faced God seem to be associated with actual magical works so I can understand why people would believe in them. Has there been anything similar with the Seven?

J. Marston · 19-06-2016 3:20am

Don't think so. I can't remember any overt instances of magic from the Faith of the Seven.

Seems to be a very constructed religion. An aspect for everyone to relate/pray to (Father, Mother, Warrior, Maiden, Smith, Crone Stranger).

Tiddlypeeps · 20-06-2016 2:27pm

Only a spoiler if you aren't up to date with the latest season. From the episode 2 weeks ago I think.

There was the Elder Brother from the monastery with the hound/gravedigger theory that we now know to be true. He is known to be able to heal things that should not be able to be healed and he follows the seven.

golfball37 · 20-06-2016 10:17pm

More a speculation question than anything. Is there any possibility that the blond incestuous twins are Targs and not their imp sibling? It would be a better twist than the predictable one about Tyrions parentage imo

Mickeroo · 21-06-2016 7:50am

Vojera wrote: »

Has there ever been a manifestation of the power of the god of the Seven? We've seen that R'hllor, the Old Gods and the Many-Faced God seem to be associated with actual magical works so I can understand why people would believe in them. Has there been anything similar with the Seven?

Technically the Many Faced God is one of the Seven, The Stranger to be exact. I don't know how the faceless men view the rest of the Seven though and it seems they approach gods of death in different cultures as all being the one.

Michael D Not Higgins · 21-06-2016 10:11am

Mickeroo wrote: »

Technically the Many Faced God is one of the Seven, The Stranger to be exact. I don't know how the faceless men view the rest of the Seven though and it seems they approach gods of death in different cultures as all being the one.

The Many Faced God is all the death gods, hence the name. In the books there are statues to the death gods of each of the religions, there's the Stranger, the drowned god, the Lord of Light, etc. in their hall.

CMOTDibbler · 22-06-2016 8:50am

golfball37 wrote: »

More a speculation question than anything. Is there any possibility that the blond incestuous twins are Targs and not their imp sibling? It would be a better twist than the predictable one about Tyrions parentage imo

Nice one

. I wouldn't think so though. The fact that Tyrion is a dwarf (caused, one assumes by the genetic muddiness of the Targaryen incest) and has one eye which could be described as purple (another Targaryen marker).

Non book reader and want book information/questions thread - No direct spoilers

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