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Enda wins

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  • #352
    IrishTonyO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    ninty9er wrote: »
    He had the backing of the majority of the parliamentary party. Completely different to the backing of the party. For example, Mary Hanafin would be Taoiseach and Brian Cowen would be Tánaiste if the grassroots chose in 2008 who Fianna Fáil was to have as it's leader. Furthermore, It's clear that the vast majority if not all of the 32 votes against the motion were TDs, these are the people who are actually elected by the public, the Seanad and MEPs saved him. I mean, come on...Seán Kelly, another one of Fine Gael's celebrity candidates. Don't count on Fianna Fáil losing all three bye-elections after this.

    He had an earpiece in delivering a victory speech. If you need an earpiece to do that, what the **** are you going to do when you get asked about something like the death of children in state care, put 200 social workers in a room with a TV camera?

    And you know it was 32 votes how?


  • #353
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    There's an interview with him just done on The Week in Politics. I feel like puking.


  • #354
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    IrishTonyO wrote: »
    And you know it was 32 votes how?

    I don't, maybe it was 34, nobody knows, but that's the figure in the public arena.


  • #355
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    ninty9er wrote: »

    He had an earpiece in delivering a victory speech. If you need an earpiece to do that, what the **** are you going to do when you get asked about something like the death of children in state care, put 200 social workers in a room with a TV camera?

    Eh I presume that earpeice was given to him by RTE or TV3...
    Nice way of deflecting attention...

    Anyway my view of this was just get it over and done with. Put Bruton in power and lets go. Unfortunately those in the media and in FG have yet again under estimated Enda. How many times has he been written off? Yet he is still there and a shoe in to be the next leader of the country.


  • #356
    IrishTonyO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    ninty9er wrote: »

    He had an earpiece in delivering a victory speech. If you need an earpiece to do that, what the **** are you going to do when you get asked about something like the death of children in state care, put 200 social workers in a room with a TV camera?

    The earpiece was from RTE news and if you watched and listen you would have heard Brian Dobson asking had he got the earpiece in.


  • #357
    Freiheit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Freiheit


    No the media reflected my and many other people's views. Opinions polls show for a long time that people don't want Enda Kenny as Taoiseach and the Gombeens within Fine Gael didn't listen to us.

    He is on course to make history as the first ever Fine Gael Tanaiste.


  • #358
    Avns1s
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,422 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    Freiheit wrote: »
    No the media reflected my and many other people's views. Opinions polls show for a long time that people don't want Enda Kenny as Taoiseach and the Gombeens within Fine Gael didn't listen to us.


    Would this be a view perchance that you formed because of the media??

    A bit like a college course, the lecturer gives you material through the year and you give it back at exam time.
    Freiheit wrote: »
    He is on course to make history as the first ever Fine Gael Tanaiste.

    There is no prospect whatever of Kenny being Tanaiste. There is a chance that he wont be Taoiseach but none that he will be Tanaiste. Labour simply do not have the party infrastructure, the candidates or the policies to surpass FG in the next election, nor will they have it in two years time, if the current govt lasts that long. They could of course, have enough seats to form a coalition with FF and possibly others and that kind of a return to power for FF would not surprise me one bit.


    As a broader comment, if people feel that upset at whatever is going on in FG, then they should join the party and change the opinions of the Parliamentary party people that spoke democratically in favour of Enda.

    The reality is that we are in a democracy and so is FG. I am not a member of FG or any other party for that matter, but I am sure there are written procedures for dealing with issues like leadership challenges and I further assume that these agreed procedures were followed, in the case of FG last week. If they were, there is no come back. If FG pay the price for this in the polls, thats their problem.

    What struck me most about the whole affair was that while before the events in FG, I like some others would have felt there was merit in having a younger leader, someone 40ish or below, but I can now see that youth is no substitute for experience. A younger leader would have caved in last week ..... and more importantly, would have caved in if faced with a national crisis and they were Taoiseach.


  • #359
    Freiheit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Freiheit


    Enda provided the material, I formed my own opinions. His communication skills are shocking. I want more from a leader of my country.

    Shocking too are the 'rebel' Fine Gael td's today rowing back on their position in the hope of future ministerial positions, disappointing but not surprising.


  • #360
    Avns1s
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,422 ✭✭✭Avns1s


    Freiheit wrote: »
    Enda provided the material, I formed my own opinions. His communication skills are shocking. I want more from a leader of my country.

    Shocking too are the 'rebel' Fine Gael td's today rowing back on their position in the hope of future ministerial positions, disappointing but not surprising.

    He couldn't possibly have provided material to let you know what he would be like as leader of the country as he has never held that position. Leader of a political party is quite another matter.

    Also, communication skills are important but are only a small part of what it takes to be a good leader. Bertie had those skills in abundance.... would we want him or the likes of him back? I didnt think so!!!

    What more do you want therefore from a leader? What should s/he be?? Who would make a viable alternative? Don't hesitate to go across all parties to give an example of who fits the bill.


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  • #361
    Freiheit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Freiheit


    I could excuse poor communication skills,being inarticulate if he actually showed substance in any language,even communicated through osmosis, communicate somehow, even through sign language but he hasn't.

    What does he stand for? I don't know and even worse I get the impression that everything he does say is rehersed, as though he's afraid to be himself ,everything is planned and he is 'wooden'.......

    Not someone I want leading my country.

    I wouldn't want Bertie Back, nor Eamon Gilmore.

    The only politcan off hand that I can say I admire is senator Ivana Bacik.


  • #362
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Avns1s wrote: »
    He couldn't possibly have provided material to let you know what he would be like as leader of the country as he has never held that position. Leader of a political party is quite another matter.

    Also, communication skills are important but are only a small part of what it takes to be a good leader. Bertie had those skills in abundance.... would we want him or the likes of him back? I didnt think so!!!

    What more do you want therefore from a leader? What should s/he be?? Who would make a viable alternative? Don't hesitate to go across all parties to give an example of who fits the bill.
    I really am struggling to think of a single party/politician to vote for right now.
    It is interesting to note that the so called eccentric canditates that get ridiculed at every election have been right all along!!!


  • #363
    IrishTonyO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭IrishTonyO


    Freiheit wrote: »
    I could excuse poor communication skills if he actually showed substance in any language, somehow he hasn't.

    What does he stand for? I don't know and even worse I get the impression that everything he does says is rehersed, as though he's afraid to be himself ,everything is planned and he is 'wooden'.......

    Not someone I want leading my country.

    I wouldn't want Bertie Back, nor Eamon Gilmore.

    The only politcan off hand that I can say I admire is senator Ivana Bacik.

    If you read FG policies you will find out what he stands for.
    Have to say in my opinion Iavana Bacik is another soundbyter like Eamon Gilmore.


  • #364
    Freiheit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Freiheit


    She does have substance in the area of civil liberties.......very clear.


  • #365
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    Avns1s wrote: »
    As a broader comment, if people feel that upset at whatever is going on in FG, then they should join the party and change the opinions of the Parliamentary party people that spoke democratically in favour of Enda.
    I'm a Fianna Fáil member, if I rang TDs and Senators, the only way I could know whether they listened to me or not was if the vote was public.

    Similarly I know of at least one Fine Gael colleague of mine that spent the entirety of last Wednesday ringing members of the Parliamentary Party stating that his vote at a convention was dust unless they publicly stated they were going to oppose the motion. He has a fairly big network of FG friends nationally who did the same. Enda has single handedly undone the work he's spent 8 years doing.

    Nobody can deny he's healed the party organisation, but he's screwed the electoral organisation. As a Fianna Fáil member, the longer Enda stays, the better it is for us.


  • #366
    Mal-Adjusted
    Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    ninty9er wrote: »
    As a Fianna Fáil member, the longer Enda stays, the better it is for us.

    how does driving people towards Labour help you? :confused:


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  • #367
    anneboleyn
    Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭anneboleyn


    maybe if people move towards Labour everyone else will wake up ?


  • #368
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    Mal-Adjusted wrote: »
    how does driving people towards Labour help you? :confused:
    FG gains were more than likely FF voters who would never consider voting Labour under any circumstances, now that FG has displayed an arrogance towards the public in having the chance to get rid of the man who has been introduced at every party function/public meeting since 2002 as "Ireland's next Toiaseach", it seems that they are destined to lose that support now.

    The people do not want Enda, that's not to say they want Richard Bruton, but that's not what the party was voting on.


  • #369
    Mal-Adjusted
    Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    ninty9er wrote: »
    FG gains were more than likely FF voters who would never consider voting Labour under any circumstances

    that's extremely presumptive of you.

    i don't suppose that in the last red C poll, FG going down and labour going up factors into this?


  • #370
    unit 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭unit 1


    Freiheit wrote: »
    No the media reflected my and many other people's views. Opinions polls show for a long time that people don't want Enda Kenny as Taoiseach and the Gombeens within Fine Gael didn't listen to us.

    He is on course to make history as the first ever Fine Gael Tanaiste.

    General elections elect governments, not opinion polls.


  • #371
    Deise Tom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Deise Tom


    Anyone see Sean Kelly MEP appear to fall behind Enda going into Stormond when he was been interviewed by RTE Nuacht. I bet it was Enda been so boring that put in into a semi sleep.


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  • #372
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    ninty9er wrote: »
    He had the backing of the majority of the parliamentary party. Completely different to the backing of the party. For example, Mary Hanafin would be Taoiseach and Brian Cowen would be Tánaiste if the grassroots chose in 2008 who Fianna Fáil was to have as it's leader. Furthermore, It's clear that the vast majority if not all of the 32 votes against the motion were TDs, these are the people who are actually elected by the public, the Seanad and MEPs saved him. I mean, come on...Seán Kelly, another one of Fine Gael's celebrity candidates. Don't count on Fianna Fáil losing all three bye-elections after this.

    He had an earpiece in delivering a victory speech. If you need an earpiece to do that, what the **** are you going to do when you get asked about something like the death of children in state care, put 200 social workers in a room with a TV camera?

    Hey ninty99er any comment on the fact three imminent financial experts laid good chunk of the blame for the banking system and economic collapse at the door of your leader ?

    I had to ask here since you don't bother anymore going onto the threads discussing the mess that ff made of the country.

    It appears it was not Lehmans fault afterall. :rolleyes:

    Oh and stop trying to spread the sh*** about an earpiece to listen to prompts, when it was necessary to listen to studio interviewers questions.
    Hang on wasn't the guy that started this whole earpiece stuff one fionnan sheehan, hubbie of ff would be councillor and 90 grand a year policy advisor to ff minister mary hannafin ?
    ninty9er wrote: »
    There's an interview with him just done on The Week in Politics. I feel like puking.

    Well now you are beginning to see how the rest of us non grassroot ffers feel everytime biffo clowen or mary coughlan appears on telly. :rolleyes:
    ninty9er wrote: »
    FG gains were more than likely FF voters who would never consider voting Labour under any circumstances, now that FG has displayed an arrogance towards the public in having the chance to get rid of the man who has been introduced at every party function/public meeting since 2002 as "Ireland's next Toiaseach", it seems that they are destined to lose that support now.

    ...

    This is from an ff apologist and party member ?

    I could said "people in glasshouses should not throw stones" or "pot and kettle".

    I am not allowed discuss …



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