HAYE CHISORA BRAWL

Discodog · 21-02-2012 12:55am

Bandana boy wrote: »

I have already e-mailed Sky Sports stating that i will cancel my SKY sports subscription if they have any part in promoting this fight, if more people follow suit we can hopefully avoid/limit these two scumbags profiting from this.

Why didn't you ask Sky to confirm that, on moral grounds, they won't show the fight ? It will be big box office - way bigger than for a couple of boring Ukrainians.

If we follow your logic some of the best fights would never of happened. Ali is accepted as the Greatest yet he pulled some epic stunts - like constantly call Frazier an "uncle tom" & referring to Foreman as an ape & monkey.

j clean · 21-02-2012 12:55am

both should be banned for life

Syferus · 21-02-2012 5:20am

I for one hope Sky show the fight. It was mentally retarded handbags that barely crossed the line, and indeed things Ali got away with back in the day, like calling Frazier an Uncle Tom, were a thousand times more sinister than this.

Shock, horror, two unliked fighters behave in an unlikeable fashion. I could barely care less beyond it being some extra melodrama and it sign-posting a Chisora-Haye fight.

The boxing boards are going to step into a legal minefield if they hand out huge bans.

Moving on.

Spazdarn · 21-02-2012 5:54am

It was embarrassing for British sport, but don't really think life time ban is warranted, if failing drugs tests, loading up with plaster and biting a man's ear off doesn't disqualify you for life, then surely throwing a slap and acting like animals isn't going to get you done...

walshb · 21-02-2012 8:57am

All this banned for life talk is nonsense. They had a freaking scuffle. Yes, a bottle was in Haye's hand. That happened. Chisora confronted him and Haye reacted. Hell, every week there's incidents of violence on GAA pitches and soccer pitches and rugby pitches. If we banned for life we would have very little left. I am all for fair play and dignity and respect, but the incident the other night was just another in a line of incidents. Chisora is the loose canon, and he should face sanctions here more so than Haye.

jcf · 21-02-2012 10:30am

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/20/dereck-chisora-jail-david-haye

Seriously why is Chisora being blamed more then Haye ????

Haye GLASSED him as the 1st move !! GLASSED him ???

WTF ??

the threats ?? I have made similar threats when angry ... jesus ...

walshb · 21-02-2012 10:32am

jcf wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/20/dereck-chisora-jail-david-haye

Seriously why is Chisora being blamed more then Haye ????

Haye GLASSED him as the 1st move !! GLASSED him ???

WTF ??

the threats ?? I have made similar threats when angry ... jesus ...

Chisora approached Haye. Chisora threatened Haye before approaching him. Chisora brought this on, started this, initiated this.

Haye's only fault was that he shouldn't have been there to begin with. But, it was Chisora, a loose canon, who approached and threatened Haye.

Bear in mind that Chisora beats women, attacks boxers in face offs and spits water into the faces of boxers. Haye was hardly expecting a kiss and a cuddle off Chisora.

jcf · 21-02-2012 10:50am

OK, I didn't know he had such a bad rep ... hits women ??

you would think a heavyweight boxer would know better..

Neil3030 · 21-02-2012 12:15pm

Staged staged staged!

The bottle: why did Haye even have a glass bottle attending a press conference? Does he even drink? It also just happens to be the same brand as the bottles placed on the desk for placement shots.

Chisora: why did he continue to interject when Haye was mouthing off at Klitschko? It was a laughably unconvincing dialogue.

Haye: Rants at Klitschko
Chisora: "David, how's your toe" etc.
Haye: Says something about Chisora losing three times in a row
Chisora: "Ooooh, say that to my face"

Chisora: "ooooh, I'm so angry I'm coming down there in a fit of rage", "woops, nearly forgot the mic".. gimme a break :rolleyes:

walshb · 21-02-2012 12:37pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Staged staged staged!

The bottle: why did Haye even have a glass bottle attending a press conference? Does he even drink? It also just happens to be the same brand as the bottles placed on the desk for placement shots.

Chisora: why did he continue to interject when Haye was mouthing off at Klitschko? It was a laughably unconvincing dialogue.

Haye: Rants at Klitschko
Chisora: "David, how's your toe" etc.
Haye: Says something about Chisora losing three times in a row
Chisora: "Ooooh, say that to my face"

Chisora: "ooooh, I'm so angry I'm coming down there in a fit of rage", "woops, nearly forgot the mic".. gimme a break :rolleyes:

I must admit, Haye with the bottle did look odd, out of place. I thought that. Staged? Possibly. Do we even know if the bottle was glass? May look like glass, but do we know?

cowzerp · 21-02-2012 12:41pm

Yeah let's stage something that could **** up my hand or scar your face, great idea. This was not planned or if it was not to go down as it did

walshb · 21-02-2012 12:42pm

cowzerp wrote: »

Yeah let's stage something that could **** up my hand or scar your face, great idea. This was not planned or if it was not to go down as it did

If that was really a glass bottle I would be inclined to fully agree. Now, was it? We cannnot tell from simple videos or pics.

Spazdarn · 21-02-2012 12:47pm

walshb wrote: »

If that was really a glass bottle I would be inclined to fully agree. Now, was it? We cannnot tell from simple videos or pics.

Everyone claims it's a class of beer but the liquid looks clear... I'm hardly a member of the CSI team though so can't really say for sure.

Ash.J.Williams · 21-02-2012 12:55pm

I thought it was established he HAD a glass beer bottle when shouting from the back of the room, however at brawl time it had been swapped for a plastic lemonade bottle.

corny · 21-02-2012 12:58pm

walshb wrote: »

Chisora approached Haye. Chisora threatened Haye before approaching him. Chisora brought this on, started this, initiated this.

Haye's only fault was that he shouldn't have been there to begin with. But, it was Chisora, a loose canon, who approached and threatened Haye.

Bear in mind thaty Chisora beats women, attacks boxers in face offs and spits water into the faces of boxers. Haye was hardly expecting a kiss and a cuddle off Chisora.

Only fault? You don't see anything wrong with smashing a glass bottle over someone's head and attacking others with a tripod?

Chisora's a common thug but lets not let that excuse Hayes behaviour. He reacted because his attempt at turning the press conference into his little sideshow got nowhere and worse, he was effectively juvenilised by everyone in the room (his toe, coward in the ring, Boente refusing to allow him talk to RTL etc.). His own frustrations led to the attack. It wasn't some righteous act of self defence.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:02pm

corny wrote: »

Only fault? You don't see anything wrong with smashing a glass bottle over someone's head and attacking others with a tripod?

Chisora's a common thug but lets not let that excuse Hayes behaviour. He reacted because his attempt at turning the press conference into his little sideshow got nowhere and worse, he was effectively juvenilised by everyone in the room (his toe, coward in the ring, Boente refusing to allow him talk to RTL etc.). His own frustrations led to the attack. It wasn't some righteous act of self defence.

Again, who approached who? What was Haye to do? Run? He runs and he gets slated. Chisora was the one who instigated the confrontation. Haye did not approach Chisora.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:06pm

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Everyone claims it's a class of beer but the liquid looks clear... I'm hardly a member of the CSI team though so can't really say for sure.

Not asking what was in the bottle. Wondering what material the bottle was made of.

If it's confirmed that is was a glass bottle, then I would say that it was one hell of a risky publicity stunt.

corny · 21-02-2012 1:10pm

walshb wrote: »

Again, who approached who? What was Haye to do? Run? He runs and he gets slated. Chisora was the one who instigated the confrontation. Haye did not approach Chisora.

So his only recourse was smash a bottle over his head, punch him with the other hand then pick up a tripod and attack some more people? Seriously?

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:14pm

corny wrote: »

So his only recourse was smash a bottle over his head, punch him with the other hand then pick up a tripod and attack some more people? Seriously?

Ok, I may not be as up on this as you, but, did the bottle smash? Also, I thought he punched with the hand that had the bottle in it?

Never said punching someone with your fist that has a bottle in that hand is ok. It's not. But, Haye did not "set out" to do this. Chisora approached him first, and Chisora is a whack job, who had threatened Haye's life. Or, are you going to excuse this?

The theory that it was staged is most likely not true, but I wouldn't be so sure until I have all the facts. And, like I said, if that bottle was glass, then I believe it was not a staged act.

Either way, bottle or not, it did not appear staged to me. I am just asking questions.

SooooBored · 21-02-2012 1:15pm

jcf wrote: »

Haye GLASSED him as the 1st move !! GLASSED him ???

Why is every one saying he glassed him....HE DIDNT. He boxed him in the mouth whilst holding a glass bottle, at no point did the bottle hit Chisora. Did difference if he had actually smashed him in the face with the bottle.

Neil3030 wrote: »

Staged staged staged!

The bottle: why did Haye even have a glass bottle attending a press conference? Does he even drink? It also just happens to be the same brand as the bottles placed on the desk for placement shots.
:rolleyes:

Yes it does just so happen, if that beer company are sponsoring the event they are hardly going to allow other beer brands at the event are they...think about it.

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I thought it was established he HAD a glass beer bottle when shouting from the back of the room, however at brawl time it had been swapped for a plastic lemonade bottle.

During the fracas a glass bottle can clearly be heard hitting the tiled floor.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:18pm

SooooBored wrote: »

Why is every one saying he glassed him....HE DIDNT. He boxed him in the mouth whilst holding a glass bottle, at no point did the bottle hit Chisora. Did difference if he had actually smashed him in the face with the bottle.
.

Sidenote:

Eh, punching someone in the head/face with a bottle in that hand is every bit as dangerous and nasty as "glassing" someone. Should the bottle break on impact, you can be sure serious damage will be done.

Spazdarn · 21-02-2012 1:24pm

walshb wrote: »

Not asking what was in the bottle. Wondering what material the bottle was made of.

If it's confirmed that is was a glass bottle, then I would say that it was one hell of a risky publicity stunt.

Meant it was a glass bottle... typo

walshb wrote: »

Sidenote:

Eh, punching someone in the head/face with a bottle in that hand is every bit as dangerous and nasty as "glassing" someone. Should the bottle break on impact, you can be sure serious damage will be done.

Yes to your own hand...

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:26pm

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Yes to your own hand...

And, most likely serious damage to the face of the victim.

MagicMarker · 21-02-2012 1:27pm

jcf wrote: »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/feb/20/dereck-chisora-jail-david-haye

Seriously why is Chisora being blamed more then Haye ????

Haye GLASSED him as the 1st move !! GLASSED him ???

WTF ??

the threats ?? I have made similar threats when angry ... jesus ...

Haye did not glass him ffs.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:27pm

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Meant it was a glass bottle... typo

Yes to your own hand...

CSI wouldn't tolerate typos...:)

Spazdarn · 21-02-2012 1:28pm

from the way he's holding it a large proportion of the glass is in his fist though, if it smashes, it'd probably do him more damage than Chisora.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:28pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Haye did not glass him ffs.

Please define what is "glassing" someone?

Does it have to be a glass, does it have to break, does it have to cause facial tearing?

Because if someone punches someone else in the head/face with a weapon such as a glass or a glass bottle in their hand, then can this not qualify as someone "glassing" someone?

SooooBored · 21-02-2012 1:29pm

walshb wrote: »

Sidenote:

Eh, punching someone in the head/face with a bottle in that hand is every bit as dangerous and nasty as "glassing" someone. Should the bottle break on impact, you can be sure serious damage will be done.

Yes i know its every bit as dangerous, im not denying that, im just stating that the bottle didnt hit Chisora so he didnt get glassed.

corny · 21-02-2012 1:29pm

walshb wrote: »

Never said punching someone with your fist that has a bottle in that hand is ok. It's not. But, Haye did not "set out" to do this. Chisora approached him first, and Chisora is a whack job, who had threatend Haye's life. Or, are you going to excuse this?

Please don't confuse the issue. My only mention of Chisora was that he's a thug.

And actually you implied it was ok when you said "haye's only fault.........". Thats what i responded to if you remember.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:30pm

ToiletFusion wrote: »

from the way he's holding it a large proportion of the glass is in his fist though, if it smashes, it'd probably do him more damage than Chisora.

Let's not split hairs. Bottom line: There is a real chance that the victim could suffer serious damage. Haye was not thinking about the position of the bottle etc, he simply threw a forceful punch whilst hodling what many believe to be a glass bottle in the punching hand.

MagicMarker · 21-02-2012 1:31pm

walshb wrote: »

Please define what is "glassing" someone?

Does it have to be a glass, does it have to break, does it have to cause facial tearing?

Because if someone punches someone else in the head/face with a weapon such as a glass or a glass bottle in their hand, then can this not qualify as someone "glassing" someone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassing

SooooBored · 21-02-2012 1:32pm

walshb wrote: »

Please define what is "glassing" someone?

Glassing involves the attacker smashing an intact glass or glass bottle in the face of the victim. However the glass may be smashed prior to the attack, and then gripped by the remaining base of the glass or neck of the bottle with the broken shards protruding outwards.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:33pm

corny wrote: »

Please don't confuse the issue. My only mention of Chisora was that he's a thug.

And actually you implied it was ok when you said "haye's only fault.........". Thats what i responded to if you remember.

Yes, his only fault was being there. He could well argue self defence. Chisora approached him in an aggressive manner AFTER threatening his life. Big case there for self defence.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:35pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glassing

So, it seems that for it to be termed a glassing, a break must occur?

Well, Haye attempted a glassing then if that is the case. The bottle he used did not break on impact to Chisora. Isn't Chisora lucky; Haye too.

Spazdarn · 21-02-2012 1:35pm

If Haye talked himself into the heavyweight title contender-ship, has Chisora slapped, spat and threatened his way to the top?

beefjerky · 21-02-2012 1:38pm

Just seeing a few posts saying Haye glassed him with the first punch or similar.

It was the 2nd punch, with the right hand, that he was holding the bottle.

And he didn't glass him.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:41pm

beefjerky wrote: »

It was the 2nd punch, with the right hand, that he was holding the bottle.

And he didn't glass him.

Did he throw a punch at Chisora, connecting, whilst holding a glass bottle in that hand?

If so, then he certainly attempted a glassing. That cannot be disputed.

beefjerky · 21-02-2012 1:43pm

walshb wrote: »

Did he throw a punch at Chisora, connecting, whilst holding a glass bottle in that hand?

If so, then he certainly attempted a glassing. That cannot be disputed.

Yeah I agree, but "he attempted to glass him" is a very different comment from "He glassed him".

It's better to deal in facts is all I'm getting at really.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:46pm

beefjerky wrote: »

Yeah I agree, but "he attempted to glass him" is a very different comment from "He glassed him" .

Hence why I was being specific. I don't believe anyone has proved that the glass/glass bottle needs to actually smash, break and cause facial damage for it to be termed a "glassing."

MagicMarker · 21-02-2012 1:46pm

walshb wrote: »

So, it seems that for it to be termed a glassing, a break must occur?

Well, Haye attempted a glassing then if that is the case. The bottle he used did not break on impact to Chisora. Isn't Chisora lucky; Haye too.

So he didn't glass him then, I'm glad we agree.

corny · 21-02-2012 1:48pm

walshb wrote: »

Yes, his only fault was being there. He could well argue self defence. Chisora approached him in an aggressive manner AFTER threatening his life. Big case there for self defence.

Did he threaten his life before approaching him?

SooooBored · 21-02-2012 1:49pm

walshb wrote: »

Did he throw a punch at Chisora, connecting, whilst holding a glass bottle in that hand?

If so, then he certainly attempted a glassing. That cannot be disputed.

Nooooooooo
Lets not forget Haye is a professional boxer who trains to throw punches. When confronted by Chisora he simply reacted in a defensive way by throwing a left right combination, he happened to be holding a glass bottle in his right hand (the hand her threw the 2nd punch with). If he was attempting to glass his he would have just cracked him in the face with the bottle or attempt to instead of throwing a left punch 1st

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:50pm

Simple: If someone punched you in the face, connecting with fist and glass/bottle, whilst holding a bottle or glass in that hand and somehow no blood was drawn, would you consider it not to be a glassing, juts because no blood was drawn?

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:52pm

corny wrote: »

Did he threaten his life before approaching him?

As far as I know, yes.

corny · 21-02-2012 1:53pm

walshb wrote: »

As far as I know, yes.

You wouldn't know when though would you? Certainly didn't happen in the press conference that i've seen.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:54pm

SooooBored wrote: »

Nooooooooo
Lets not forget Haye is a professional boxer who trains to throw punches. When confronted by Chisora he simply reacted in a defensive way by throwing a left right combination, he happened to be holding a glass bottle in his right hand (the hand her threw the 2nd punch with). If he was attempting to glass his he would have just cracked him in the face with the bottle or attempt to instead of throwing a left punch 1st

Why confuse it. He threw a punch while holding a bottle in the punching hand. It's black and white.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:56pm

corny wrote: »

You wouldn't know when though would you? Certainly didn't happen in the press conference that i've seen.

I'd have to go back. He did say he was going to hit him two slaps, and also, he said he'd shoot him, set him on fire, now, not sure if the shooting/fire threat was before or after the altercation.

Stereomaniac · 21-02-2012 1:56pm

So really it could've been a lot worse. I know what I would've probably done in the same situation.

walshb · 21-02-2012 1:58pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

So he didn't glass him then, I'm glad we agree.

No, never said that.

Read thru your link, it is not at all clear that an actual injury must take place, or that the glass must break for it to be termed a glassing.

SooooBored · 21-02-2012 2:00pm

walshb wrote: »

Simple: If someone punched you in the face, connecting with fist and glass/bottle, whilst holding a bottle or glass in that hand and somehow no blood was drawn, would you consider it not to be a glassing, juts because no blood was drawn?

Relax Chisora will ya, Haye didnt glass you

Are you actually mental?
He did not hit him with the bottle

HAYE CHISORA BRAWL

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